What penalty should a woman who has an abortion face?

Many people think that abortion is murder. Many people dont.

That being said. If you believe that abortion is wrong, and needs to be criminalized, what penalty should a women who has an abortion face?

Which of the following penalties should a women who has, or is suspected of having, an abortion, face.

1.) First degree murder charges ( death penalty applies here in states that use the death penalty )
2.) Second degree murder.
3.) Manslaughter
4.) Other ( you can elaborate below )
5.) None

 

In my opinion, fine and community service at most. Now, personally I consider the offense of having an abortion to be something worthy of significant jail time because I consider it murder. But I'm realistic and know that penalizing women heavily would undermine support for restricting and/or eliminating abortion.

 

She should face the same penalty that a person who has any legal medical procedure faces.

 

none, she has committed no crime, and what she does with her own body is none of your biz.

 

If its murder, then why wouldnt you support murder charges? I dont understand that. A murder is a murder right?

Why should this be in a special classification of "murder"?

 

Dogs who manage to catch the car...

 

Political and social realities. And don't pretend this very question is not just an attempt to paint anti abortion people has extremists and radicals.

What was the penalty BEFORE abortion was legalized nationwide? What has been the penalty in western European nations where abortion was not legal?

I'm betting none of them had punishments like they do for murderers

 

Often severe infections, haemorrhage etc.

 

Jail.


Im not trying to pain anyone as extremist. Inconsistent though, quite possibly.


Personally, I cannot understand how you can look at something as murder, and stand by and say that murder charges shouldnt apply. It either is, or it isnt. Pick one. If it isnt, then abortion shouldnt be illegal. If it is, then current laws for murder should apply. Whats the incorrect logic in that thinking?

 

Don't lay all this at the feet of the women. How about the sperm donor? Shouldn't he have some consequences to pay? Really fries me to see some d!ckhead have multiple children from multiple egg donors and still be able to run around free as a bird and lets don't even talk about child support.

 

The type of person who butts into another person's private life is called a Control Freak.
Why do you feel it necessary to control what other people do in their own private lives?
How exactly does any woman's abortion affect your life?
Why exactly do you care what she does with her own body?

 

Sure he should be just as responsible but the same people that wish to keep abortion legal also think the man should have no say since it is her body. Also if he does not want the child and pay child support she can also choose to keep the baby and force him to pay. The woman has all the power in this decision, the man is nothing.

 

A couple of days off from work.

 

The old screwing you get for the screwing you got. Sometimes life isn't fair so wear a condom.

 

I dont disagree.

Yes, he should be made to pay for his children. However, he should have no say in if a woman carries a baby to term. I know thats unfair, and it sucks for the guy. But no on has the right to control other person like that. IMO.

 

It's premeditated murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and stupidity. Each can carry the extreme penalty at times.

 

No, he should only be made to pay for his children if he didn't file for an abortion. He has reproductive rights, doesn't he?

 

I don't think abortion is murder. At least not in the first trimester. During the first and part of the second trimester, the fetus doesn't even have nerve pathways.having said that, it's reasonable to say partial birth abortion is controversial. But if it's a medical emergency, I can understand the call.

 

I was present at a Seminar where women were the majority and I enjoyed their propinquity...
The Professor started this way... Those who are <pro life> raise your right hand... Nearly half the crowd raised their hands.

Then the Professor asked again... Those that are <pro choice> raise their hand... Nearly half the crowd raised their hands...

Someone at the first row shouted... well now you know who is <pro choice> and who is <pro life> could you tell us please what is your personal preference sir? PROPHYLACTIC was the quick retort!!!!!!!!!!

 

No. He does not.


Bottom line, at least for me anyways is this.

Its the womans body. ITs her uterus. Its her choice. ONLY she gets to choose if she will give birth or not up to a certain point anyways.

 

The real bottom line is that it's the baby's body that's getting murdered.

The woman got to choose to decline or accept sex. If she was raped, she had the choice, under the Second Amendment, to carry a gun to defend herself. Explain how a child can be executed for a crime that happened prior to it's inception (read about Bills of Attainder in the Constitution), when the crime of rape itself does not carry death as a penalty (thereby violating the infants' Eighth Amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishments - and if hanging is cruel and unusual, what do you call "sucking through a tube after being burned alive with saline")?

Logic...something the Left can't use, like muslims and bacon.

 

No one has the right to control another person by making them financially liable for 18 years?

What about the man's reproductive rights? In what part of the Equal Protection Clause does it grant women more equal protections than men?

If a man legally aborts his baby, by filing an claim of abortion with the courts that is duly served to the pregnant female, the woman's control of her own body and her own reproductive freedoms is in no way impaired. She still can choose to murder her own child if she wishes.

His body, his choice.
Her body, her choice.

Ain't complicated. Nobody is imposing anything on anyone, if men have full reproductive freedom too.

You don't want to be unfair, do you?

Of course you. You plan on going fully emotional now, since you can't establish anything resembling a logical rebuttal to the reasonable proposition that men have the equal right to not share in a pregnancy they don't want.

 

I have never understood how some people cannot understand that the U.S. Supreme Court has determined and this has just recently been revisited by the Court and the Supreme Court reaffirmed it's ruling and determination...that a Fetus is not considered a PERSONAGE nor considered a Human Being until such Fetus is BORN either naturally or by C-Section and once born can live either independently or with the aid of mechanical assistance.

As long as a Fetus is attached to a woman either in the womb or even outside the womb but still attached to a woman by the umbilical cord....that Fetus is NOT considered a Human Being having Personage.

This recently revisited and reaffirmed U.S. Supreme Court Ruling and Determination places a bright light upon what exactly a Fetus is.

As long as it is still determined to be a Fetus it is considered PART OF THE WOMAN'S BODY.

As a part of a woman's body means a Fetus has the same status as a woman's internal organs...laws are going to reflect this reality.

AboveAlpha

 

I think if its early term then there should be no punishment, if its third trimester then the same punishment as killing a newborn should apply, so that currently means murder first or second degree depending on circumstances.

yeah, this is kind of "financial" abortion. One parent has right to give up both parental rights and responsibilities, before an abortion limit has passed, assuming the other parent wants to raise the kid. I think its a good idea.

 

The number of late term abortions are tiny in the extreme.

Most of them occur because of specific possibly fatal to the woman health issues and those not specific to this where a fetus is healthy are usually pregnancies carried by very young girls who's parents, relatives and even in some cases Church Leaders have attempted to FORCE these girls into giving birth.

Many times such young girls will be locked in a room by parents and when they might escape such late term abortions are done.

AboveAlpha