Chinese economic ties more important than human rights - Adolf Abbott

What do you think about this one? Did we ever head a bigger coward on our rudder?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ott-tells-china/story-fn59nm2j-1226880456557#

What a further disappointment to an already extremely disappointing man...

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What crimes are you actually accusing TA of ?

 

For not taking a stand for human right abuses in China. But I bet you wouldn't know about that.....
All he cares is his new business venture....
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Weren't the Liberals the same people attacking Rudd for just being able to speak Mandarin?

 

You mean the way your Labor hero Paul Keating said after he was accused of failing to raise human rights issues during a trip to Indonesia, "We need to separate trade and economics from human rights".

 

What would you expect him to do?

 

Not for being able to speak mandarin, for the ridiculous amount of emphasis the lefties put on this trivia. Seems you need an awful lot of obvious points explained to you.

 

Expect him to stand up for what most people in Australia stand up for, except for you, may be....

 

You haven`t answered the question. I`m asking you what action you expect him to take.

 

Are you playing stupid? Read again, all said....

 

You have repeatedly failed to answer the question. What course of action would you expect of TA? For example, would you expect him to say "If you don`t start being nice, we`ll stop buying your ping pong balls, which make up .00000000117% of your market & that`d learn yer!"

 

Noticed a batch of deleted posts there m2catter. FYI, I`m not bothered by your little insults. I never cry like Sara - Hanson Young in an empty pie shop.
Back to the topic. You are accusing Abbott of cowardice, insinuating Abbott is a Nazi, and trying to charge him in failure of his duty.

I`ve been patiently trying to provide you with an opportunity to substantiate your accusations with something more tangible than howling hysteria. As you are prepared to air the opinion that Abbott has failed in his duty, it naturally follows that as a mature adult, you will have compelling alternatives to Abbott`s actions.

Please provide us with one example of what Abbott should have done differently. Just one alternative action that Abbott should have taken to make him less of a Nazi and a coward, and a failure, in your eyes.

 

Give up aussie, you are sounding a little silly at this point. What do you want m2 to do draw you pretty pictures?

 

*Aussie* appears to be the Liberal's Party frog...

I expect Abbott to stand up for human rights, as this is a core value for most Australians.
I expect him to voice concern to the Leader of a country, where human rights are still not guaranteed.

Do you Aussiefree understand this or not? A five year old would understand this....

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Very simple really. I`ll explain it for you. When criticism is directed at someone, it`s entirely appropriate to ask the critic for a specific example of what the person being criticised should have done differently.

Are you with me so far?

In this instance, someone`s Abbott`s have been criticised. To request for the critic to substantiate their allegations with an example of Abbott`s failure, is simply the next step in the flow of logical process. If you are content with allegation without substantiation. If your mind doesn`t enquire on a level that calls for factual evidence, after anyone is accused of cowardice or it`s broadly insinuated that they`re a nazi, or that they`ve failed in their duty, then perhaps this concept isn`t for you. If your opinions and attitudes are arrived at by means other than logical process, this is your prerogative, but if others wish to engage in logical process by means of logical discourse, this is equally their prerogative. I`m sure will spontaneously, and gracefully agree considering your tolerance, and complete lack of prejudice or shallow mindedness, and bigotry.

I hope I`ve explained this adequately for you.

 

I understand English, thank you very much. Can you give me one specific example of what Abbott should have done. By this I mean a suggestion of what Abbott should have said, or done, at a specific point in time, who he should have addressed your issues to, and under which circumstance.

 

You have won, I give it up.......
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The simple request raised by m2 is not complex. No need to complicate simplicity with pedantic drivel. The more you write in an attempt to sound credible, the less credible you sound. This is the most you've ever written for a response....hmmmm!

 

So you would like Australia to become hostile towards China and seek conflict? Or is it the reference to international law you are objecting to?

 

Unfortunately the whole article is not readable anymore.

You don't need to become hostile, if you tell your so called *friend*, if he's doing a mistake.
It might take a man however to do so.....

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I don't believe the majority of people seek conflict, but you also cannot be a gutless coward forever, regardless of how big your enemies are. Sometimes you have to stand up and say NO!!

 

So you would like to end trade with China?

 

No,
but applying a little bit of pressure would be a start. Show them that we are a nation, which has some strong values.
We owe it those people who are locked away, because they have a different opinion, or are tortured. Even worse.
China needs our iron ore, and we their cash.
If you can't stand your man now, how will China dictate our future?
How much land will they able to purchase in Australia?
How many business will they acquire?
And how many people will rot in some Chinese prison until than?
Not far off the pace, I think...
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What pressure (beyond empty words and rhetoric)?

 

eg. ....you need our iron ore and we expect some progress in human rights.......
Chinese companies are looking more and more towards Australia, in acquiring land or parts of Australian companies. Here we go, one could make this easier or more difficult for them....
There are hundreds of ways, the game of politics on the highest level is certainly difficult, but maybe impossible for our current Australian government.
Even if you have only a private conversation, head of state to head of state, and raise your concerns.
If you don't believe in the good of humanity, why bother at all?
For money, only money??????
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