Even if the Authoritarians Win: The Democrats Lose! Bundy Cowboys

You just can't go against American Heroes... the Western Cowboy is one of those timeless hero images that endures. With Democrats leaders like Harry Reid and Barack Obama lining up against these cowboys for what appears ridiculous and even self serving reasons the public perception of the Democratic Party will plummet. I will admit that legally (even though the rulings are very suspect), the Bundy Cowboys are are shaky ground at best. But, what is often legal is NOT moral... taking away their free range grazing rights which they had for well over a century doesn't sit well with most Americans no matter how the Federal Government received rulings. It appears authoritarian, it appears disgusting with Harry Reid having Chinese land deals nearby, it appears fascist with BLM Brownshirts showing up armed with M16's, Vehicles, and Attack Dogs. Since when did we give our bureaucracies M16's and Attack Dogs???? (I am not blaming Democrats here, because I don't know when it happened, but it's wrong and now it's on Obama's watch.)







You honestly cannot beat those images. You shoot those men and their women down and Washington D.C. loses all legitimacy as do the courts which supported their position.

This also serves a second purpose. The need for the 2nd Amendment becomes very clear. The government can send their thugs, but it's going to be a war.... and even if the government wins the gun battle, it will lose forever the hearts and minds of hundreds of millions of Americans.

Here is an interesting picture to examine.



Had all the Bundy supporters looked like the two guys on the outside right and left of the picture, there would have been gunfire from the Federal goons... but once you have a Bundy with a cowboy hat and other cowboy supporters... it's over.

So, I say give it a go you Liberal Authoritarians... take out these American Cowboys, but know you will never win back the hearts and minds of Americans for decades to follow.... and this gets pinned on YOU.

 

The only chance the left has is if the local Sheriff takes down the Bundy's. If the Feds do it... say goodbye to elections for decades to come.

 

I might be wrong, but I don't imagine liberals supported the feds in this incident.

 

Silence from both Democrat and Republican Congressmen

Silence from Tea Party Representatives in Congress.

Rightwing media Fox News has some coverage, but Hannity is on the fence, unable to go all in.

Rightwing radio Glenn Beck mentioned the standoff, but decided he had a previous engagement in Arizona, so silence from his radio show, and his goofy associates now betraying Glenns perspective on the matter.

Limbaugh is in never never land completely missing the whole episode, obsessed with Obama care, and how CBS hiring Steven Colbert to replace David Letterman is a travesty.

Leftwing media, Chris Matthews, and Ed from the Ed Show, normally concerned with the plight of the oppressed underdog, are no where on the matter. In fact Ed, who was able to readily see how the Key Stone pipeline government project was infringing on local residents property is completely antagonistic towards Cliven Bundy, calling him a "freeloader"

So as far as I am concerned the entire media which our forefathers hoped would be one of the most useful checks against excessive government authoritarianism, is, at this point in our history, AN ABJECT FAILURE.

 

A really well done video documenting the BLM's own website which they tried to purge showing their corrupting on the Bundy case. It 100% links Harry Reid and his corrupt scumbag son to this event as well.

[video=youtube;HFiosLqjoQQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFiosLqjoQQ[/video]


Start watching this video at 3:00!!!! Whether you are Liberal, Conservative, or other... YOU SHOULD BE PISSED OFF!!!!!

Harry Reid and the BLM thugs needs to be in PRISON.

 

Many of the "new Americans" are just going to see a bunch of gringos being mowed down by the same Government that re-ups their EBT card every month. A fringe benefit. If anything, it'll endear them even more to the progressive Government of the United States.

 

Why are you posting pictures of domestic terrorists?

 

Why not? Obama is friends with some of them.

 

That's sort of what gets to me. The right wing showing all these Western bully boys who are threatening to shoot people if we don't keep giving them their handouts are NOT exactly going to win them any popularity contests.

I mean what is going on, do all you rightists honestly think we WANT to support you with our tax dollars so your meat prices can continue to rob us blind? Do you think we ENJOY giving you corporate handouts so you can continue to make shoddy (*)(*)(*)(*) and then just fall all over ourselves righteously begging the government to let you pay us less and less? "Vote for us, we'll take everything you have. We need your help if we're going to give you hell and push you in it."

You have to do SOMETHING besides wrap yourselves in the flag to get people's support. You have to offer the public SOME sort of benefit if you want them behind you.

 

I would have supported the government had they simply come to confiscate his cattle without the huge show of force. By bringing the guns though, they elevated this issue far above what it needed to be and set a very poor example to boot. Bundy is wrong either way, but the government did not need to do it the way they did.

 

What is up with this guy.
His family runs their cattle on government land for 100 years, land that they could have claimed or bought for pennies and acre but chose not to. Now all of a sudden he thinks that the government cannot tell him what to do on the land.
The government owned that land long before he showed up and granted his forefathers a privilege to graze cattle on land that the government owns in the name of and for the benefit of all the people. The BLM has a long term land management program to ensure that the land remains viable over the long term. It collects grazing fees to fund the program and places limits on cattle numbers to prevent overgrazing. Cattle ranchers running cattle on BLM land agree that this is a good course because in the past overgrazing was rampant and a lot of BLM land was destroyed. The management program makes it more likely that there will be grazing for their cattle forever.

This guy has refused to pay his grazing fees or limit his cattle numbers despite over a decade worth of court rulings. The local cattleman's association wants nothing to do with him. From their view he is both a jerk and an idiot.

What rights are we talking about here?
Is stealing from the public some sort of right if you do it long enough because that is what this guy is claiming.

 

He presumed, as did a lot of other older generation ranchers, farmers, and other ordinary rural people did, that if for 140 years they and their predecessors had used the thousands of miles of uninhabited desert to graze cattle on naturally renewed vegetation, with no controversy, and no objection from anyone, including the county, state, and federal government, then all was well.

Little could they have envisioned the sudden rise of an Orwellian state in 1993, and how their entire livelihood could become so controversial, that they would be labeled as potential "domestic terrorists" and derided and bullied by armed mercenaries, and called "freeloaders, and "deadbeats"

 

That might've been the case in the Tom Mix or Gene Autry era, but it ain't the case anymore. Now we see cowboys as deadbeats.

Btw, what percentage of cowboys do you think voted for Obama?

It will.

 

For some reason, I'm think only one segment of America (<20%) gives a crap about this story.

 

The two parties are converging into the one Corporate party of USA . This explains the anomaly of absence of commentary from any Congressmen, pertaining to a situation which any of the founding fathers of the USA would have immediately recognized as government tyranny.

 

That is all it takes.....

 

If you didn't watch this video from 3:00 forward... then you don't even understand the government's real motive and the crimes that have been committed by Harry Reid, his son, and the BLM bureaucrats.

 

Will the fed government end up killing Americans like they did at Ruby Ridge and Waco? Its seems likely since history shows that democrat admins for some reason likes to kill Americans.

Why the hell dont Obama's admin put all those guns on the boarder??????

 

What he presumed was that land that he does not own is his to do with as he pleases. It does not matter if it is the government or anyone else who owns it, it is not his and he must abide by whatever conditions the lands owners set on his use of their property if he desires to continue using it. The reality is that his family has been freeloading off the government for over 100 years and thinks that it is some sort of right.

It is a matter of property rights at the most basic level. It would not be BLM land if anyone else had ever expressed any desire to own it and for 140 years his family lived right next door without ever trying to buy it or claim it and that demonstrates a distinct disinterest in owning that land. It being public land he also never had any exclusive right to it, if anything he was granted the right to graze a certain amount of cattle on it, depending on how many cattle the land could bear, which could vary depending on the conditions.

It was not until the 1970s that the public began to take an interest in how the government was managing the public lands and in the 1980s reports began to surface that there was widespread environmental degradation of the public lands caused by the overgrazing of cattle. Many people became upset at this widespread destruction of their public lands and the result was the passage of laws that required to government to study and regulate their use in order to preserve them over the long term with funding from fees on those who make use of the land. Bundy refused to pay the grazing fees.

I do not see this as the sudden rise of some sort of Orwellian state. I see it as nothing but a most reasonable way to address the problem of public land deterioration in a way that ensures their long term viability. Bundy's defiance is not about the state attempting to impose its will on his rights, it is about him attempting to impose his will on the state on order to steal government property.

 

I disagree, because this situation is the equivalent of public right of way. Private property owners all over America, make use of right of way land adjacent to their property. They are not charged any additional fee to do so. Usually the city/county governments have no problem as long as the rest of the community can also use the right of way and there is no unusual development of the land such as building heavy structure, or planting trees that might interfere with underground gas or water lines, or polluting the land.

Same with Cliven Bundy. For 140 years, it was uncontroversial to allow ranchers to graze cattle on the VAST open desert, largely uninhabited public land. Even after the 1993 laws to grab more land for Federal government control, they had enough sense to recognize, apparently, for 20 years that Cliven Bundy cattle were not really much of a problem. At least not enough to actually physically remove his cattle and send a military force to confront him. That decision was made ONLY RECENTLY, and happens to coincide REMARKABLY with the Harry Reid/solar power/+ secret buyers unknown/ Desert land grab project.

The fact that now Senator Reid is using the term "Domestic Terrorists" suggests this has much more to do with some special interest on his part, than it does with cattle grazing. There must be something of tremendous value at stake involving Reid, and perhaps some other crony "investors" for Reid to go out on a limb this far and use such a term. He MUST know, unless he is a total loon, just how inflammatory that term can be, especially among people living in the Western States. Considering that this same Senator Reid voiced concerns about that same "Domestic Terrorist" term in the NDAA 2012 bill, it is incredibly puzzling as well as astoundingly hypocritical, for a Senate Leader of a Party which is supposedly the champion for the working class Americans. Maybe Harry Reid has joined the Corporate Internationalist Party, which is the New World Order party of both Democrats and Republicans paid for by the millions of dollars from a few extremely wealthy as now allowed by our American Federation Supreme Court.

 

I don't care what the federal government says that it owns, the government only exists to serve the people.

 

There was a very long drawn out period of controversy about public rights of way in my town so everyone here is very well versed on the history meaning and laws on public rights of way.

A public right of way is a right of passage only. You can walk down it or drive through it but you cannot use it as you wish. Public Right of Way means literally that the public have the right to make their way across it. It also describes land that it is not available for any other purpose and may never be granted for other use by any one person or group of people.

Consider the last part of that sentence. What Clive Bundy is doing has nothing to do with public right of way.

For the last twenty years the BLM and Bundy have been fighting in the courts and Bundy has lost every time. He has refused to pay or abide by the many judgements against him and filed more and more appeals to be decided by the courts. As far as the timing, his twenty years of court cases has just recently been finally concluded and no more appeals are possible for him so the BLM, which waited patiently for decades for his case to be decided in the courts, finally has a court order to take action against him.

You can conflate this as much as you want but the reality is that it is just about some freeloading miscreant trying to make a Constitutional case about his blatant lawbreaking and thieving.

 

Actually from what I have read on PF, it appears that most of the PF leftwingers responding do support the federal government's actions in this case.

 

Wouldn't it be weird if after all the egregious things Obama and his administration have done against this nation and the constitution if the Bundy event finally turned out to be Barack's Jumping the Shark moment with this nation? Chances are good that he's not even following the story.

 

Maybe they shouldn't be called left.