Russian "Outrage"

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  1. protowisdom

    protowisdom New Member

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    Below is an article about Russian outrage expressed over a Ukrainian militia attack on a pro-Russian checkpoint in the Ukraine.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27093347

    In general, casualties in military conflict are expected, so governments don't become outraged by those. The "outrage" is therefore a political tactic. The tactic might be an attempt to move Europeans in the EU into sympathy with Russia's position, although this is something many would see through. I can't decide what Russia might intend, but here are three possibilities, and the real intention might well be something different from those three.

    1. Russia only wants to make sure that Ukraine doesn't join the EU and NATO.

    2. Russia wants to incorporate Ukraine into Russia.

    3. Russia wants to get into a formal war with American troops sent to Ukraine, or the location of another attack after Ukraine becomes part of Russia. Once Russia and the United States were fighting, China would join in, moving into the nations near China and fighting the United States there. Then Brazil would join in, with help from some troops from India, China, and Russia, and begin moving towards the southern border of the United States.. India would move into the Middle East and Africa. Meanwhile, China would pull the rug out from under the dollar, seize all US corporation assets in China, and embargo exports from China to the United States.

    I am guessing 3 at a probably less than 50% and 1 and 2 sharing a probability of more then 50%.
     
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    You had a pretty interesting premise going there - till we hit option 3
     
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    Option 3 is based on pretty reliable information that China intends to replace the United States as leader of the new world order. The only question is how China intends to do it.
     
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    Who would benefit from this attack? Only Russia as far as I can see. Nobody seems to have seen it happening so my biggest suspicions are that it was the Russians setting up the Right Sector.

    No, this is not yet a 'military conflict' which in this instance would be a civil war. I am sure no one in Ukraine, East or West wants that.

    They would have the right to be upset. It would be a dangerous escalation though the best response would be to play it low as an isolated occurance.

    and instead joins her Euraisa group.

    She knows they don't want that so less likely at the moment.

    I can't see Russia wanting to get the US into a war. Really not. That would be dumb and what I have been reading Russia believes it can do things by other means similar to what she has been up to already.

    Russia wants civil war in Ukraine. I'd give that one 50%
     
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    Excellent plan to start WWIII instigated by USA and EU. This is what they were asking for during recent decades. People have tired of too long period of peace and avoidance of major wars. Russia, China and India have nukes. Nukes are very dangerous.
     
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    Nobody wants to start this war over Ukraine. Russians need only a few provinces populated by Russians. This is it. NATO will continue its exercises near Russian borders and Russians will take those provinces along with a few more sanctions. Big deal, they may turn beneficial to Russian economy by pushing it to self-reliance.
     
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    Uhhh! Maybe it's because there was no conflict until the nationalists broke the truce, or doesn't that suit the BBC spin doctors?

    Uhhh! Wasn't this known from the start?

    Nope, Russia wants the Eastern and Southern areas free to determine their own future. Uhhh! Isn't that what they're asking for?

    And I'm guessing the BBC is off again on one of its delusional spin tangents. How much do they get paid for this stuff anyway? :confuse:
     
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    No, it's not BBC. I'm just trying to cover the options, but in a more restricted way than the Pentagon, which has contingency plan for wars with every nation.

    There have been many secret agreements between/among nations in history, so such a secret agreement has to be considered. That doesn't mean that there is a secret treaty of the BRIC nations, Brazil, Russia, India, and China, to fight a war with the United States, but that can't be excluded either. As long as nuclear weapons were not used, it is almost certain that the United States would lose a war with Brazil, Russia, India, and China. All our smart weapons would be used up in a month or two, and then, we would be back to troops. With more than 3 billion people, the BRIC nations could field far more troops than the United States could. It is uncertain whether or not the EU would join in, because the EU just signed an agreement with China to establish a Yuan trading exchange in London, which is a first step in replacing the dollar as the world's trade currency with the Yuan. That is not something a real ally would do to the United States. So perhaps the EU would fight on America's side against the BRIC nations and perhaps not. It is true that the EU and the US together couldn't field enough troops to win a war with BRIC.

    Now, there have been numerous hints, but the most interesting evidence of China's intentions to replace the United States as the leader if the new world order is a recently published novel.. This intention is stated again and again in the novel, The Fat Years by Chan Hoonchong, first published in Chinese by Oxford University Press, one of the very top publishers in the world, and then an English version by Doubleday 2011. Normally, a novel wouldn't be a source to integrate with other information. However, in this case, the dust cover blurbs are quite unusual and say that the descriptions of Chinese politics and intentions is true. Some of those are as follows:

    by Evan Osnos, Bejing Correspondent, The New Yorker, "In conjuring China's very near future, Chan Hoomchong has given us a bracingly honest portrait of the present."

    by Didi Kirsten Tatlow, China columnist, International Herald Tribune and The New York Times. "Rarely does a novel tell the truth about a society in a way that has the power to shift our perceptions about that place in a fundamental way"

    Shu-Mei Shih, University of California, "Anyone interested in learning about the current state and future of China should read the novel"

    Paul Evans, Director of the Institute of Asian Research, University of British Columbia (remember that more than any European nations, intellectuals have always led China), "The Fat Years is the best and most accessible account of the multiple faces of China's public intellectuals"

    Maneuvering in various ways to make a war look like it is being started by the other side is something that has happened often in history.

    Resolving this problem now could be necessary for the survival of the United States in the near future.

    Now, hoping against hope that one of the American intelligence agencies might notice this message and send it on to Congress and the President:

    My best recommendation would be, first, for the United States to immediately pass a law that there must be a foreign nation impact study of any legislation which would affect a foreign nation. before the legislation is considered, similar to environmental impact studies. Congress and the President would try to make sure this always happened, but if they missed a possibility, a foreign nations could ask for such a study. If there were a probable negative impact from proposed legislation, the United States would undertake to tweak the proposed legislation until it no longer would have any negative impacts on foreign nations.

    Then, the United States should invite all other nations to a massive joint scientific research partnership to quickly discover ways to avoid anything which is or might be harmful to people. That would include everything from medical research to research on how to prevent an asteroid hit on earth.

    Finally, the United States and the rest of the world would develop a program which, a bit over ten years ago, the Indian Economic Development Think Tank in Mumbai said would work. This would require some thousands of top computer programmers and a number of top experts in all relevant areas, including develop economists, engineers, creative behavior psychologists, social workers, and so forth.

    The think tank would set up a facility with a group of supercomputers processing in parallel. A computer model of the world economy and all the national economies which are part of it, several orders of magnitude more precise than the best mathematical models we have now. The model would be set up so that it could find solutions which benefited all nations simultaneously, considering possible business partnerships, economic regulations, available new technology, research needs, and so forth. Then all the world's experts would be asked to contribute possible international new projects, initiatives, laws, etc.which would contribute to the welfare of everyone in the world simultaneously. These ideas would be entered into the group of supercomputers to calculate their probable effects on the economies of the world and its nations.

    Those ideas which would, as calculated by the group of supercomputers, benefit all nations simultaneously, would be presented to the United Nations and to the governments of all nations for their consideration. It is the United Nations and the world's governments which would then decide which ideas to implement.
     

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