Jordan recognizes Palestine's right to East Jerusalem

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  1. Ronstar

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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    minimizing people into convenient acronyms now, are we?
     
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    Ronstar, et al,

    Why yes.

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    It is important for me to distinguish between non-Violent Arab Palestinians (nVAP) and Hostile Arab Palestine (HoAP). It keeps me from having to sort out Jihadist (Article 13) Palestinians and the Fedayeen (Article 9); and unaligned insurgents and terrorists.

    Most Respectfully,
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    The Last Hashamite king can say what he wants.
    His days are numbered ! Armed Palestinians from Hammas and Fatah will take over Jordan.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no they won't.
     
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    MGB ROADSTER, et al,

    I find this almost hysterical!

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    Seldom is it necessary to bring this up; but the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is one of the most stable, peaceful and productive nations in the entire region. And as far as His Majesty King Abdullah II is concerned, HE has been one of the very most benevolent and forward thinking leaders to rule in the region. Why anyone in HAMAS or Fatah would even have a dispute with HM, is beyond me.

    The Hashemite Kingdom has amazing strategic plans were developments and improvements in every key agricultural and industrial aspects of the nation are readily recognizable. Its investments in the areas related to information technology are known world-wide. The Hashemite Kingdom is reinvesting in its infrastructure, and the people are benefiting across the board in all the improvements to the standard of living: health, education, scientific research and 21st Century industrialization.

    Why, given the troubles seen in the Arab world, would anyone want to hurt a nation like The Hashemite Kingdom, a pillar to regional safety and security.

    Dumb!

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    Yes they will.
    The surface is boiling

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    It's not dumb at all. Palestinians are mijority in Jordan. Revolution in just around the corner !!
     
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    MGB ROADSTER, et al,

    I give most of the Jordanian Palestinians a little more credit than you.

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    I think that the Jordanian Palestinians can just look at the outcomes in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Yemen. The horrors of Syria are an ever present reminder that the Arab Spring is not pretty; although very Arab.

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    palestinians in Jordan have full citizenship and are treated well.

    full bellies and full mouths don't revolt.
     
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    Time will tell.
    By the way, the word "treated well" is scary.
    Black september will return !! :salute:
     
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    The Arab Quarter in Jerusalem is large and very old.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there is no "Arab" Quarter
     
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    Muslim Quarter then.. The Christians and Jews were also Arabs.

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    funny, the Arabs simply called them "Yahoud".
     
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    So? Are they not Jews?

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    if they considered them fellow Arabs, they wouldn't call them Yahoud.
     
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    Yahoudi just means Jew.
     
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    yes, Jews in Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, were not considered fellow Arabs.

    they were "Yahoud!!!!!!!"
     
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    Which is pretty much the case all over the world. Judaism is not just a religion- it's pretty much a tribe, actually.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3002/jewish/Why-Is-Conversion-to-Judaism-So-Hard.htm
     
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    Even in America we note the differences between Christians, Muslim, Jews.. even Christian sects.. I am obviously a WASP and people ask me about my religious affiliation.. Don't be so sensitive... its not a big deal.
     
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    you make believe that before Zionism, the Jews of the Middle East were considered fellow Arabs.

    this is false.
     
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    Of course they are Arab Jews..

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    Jew-Road-and-Arab-Road-Israeli-Apartheid.jpg

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    Zionism is a ideology of pure religious supremacy no different than white supremacy in apartheid South Africa or the Jim Crow American south. Zionists, then and now, hold contempt for Palestinians and speaks about them dismissively as a undesirable collective that needs to be brushed aside so that the “pioneering” Zionists than “make the desert bloom” [so the myth goes].

    The Palestinians are never seen as human beings with equal [of course, the Palestinians have paramount claim on the land not just equal] rights to the Holy Land, instead Zionists from the first days treated Palestinians as savages from whom ethnic cleansing is necessary and justified. In the first Zionist conference in Basel, Switzerland in 1896, the founding father of political Zionism Theodore Herzl addressed the question of how to establish a Jewish state in a land overwhelmingly populated by Arabs. To that end he quoted the French proverb: “Those who desire the ends, desire the means.” Ethnic cleansing was there from the beginning. And late Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, an early American supporter for Zionism, once wrote that Palestinians will treated by Zionists “pioneers” akin to the manner in which Native Americans were treated by American “pioneers” [ethnically cleansed, and nearly erased]. This is Zionism, and I could go on.

    But you have to understand that Zionism is more racist than that. It is because Israel is based not only on Jewish supremacy against Arabs, but also European Jewry supremacy against Oriental Jews. Think about it, 50% of Israeli Jewish are Mizrahi or Sephardi; but where are they? Israel has not elected one prime minister from the latter two, Israeli governments are overwhelmingly composed of European Jews. Of course, there is always a token Mizrahi.
    It is because Israel is based not only on Jewish supremacy against Arabs, but also European Jewry supremacy against Oriental Jews. Think about it, 50% of Israeli Jewish are Mizrahi or Sephardi; but where are they? Israel has not elected one prime minister from the latter two, Israeli governments are overwhelmingly composed of European Jews. Of course, there is always a token Mizrahi.

    Read the Israeli historian Tom Segev and his book “1949: The First Israelis” about how the Oriental Jews were rounded up in camps and separated from the “white” Jews.

    The founding father of Israel and its first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion himself spoke with contempt against Oriental Jews and declared that the state of Israel was not built for them.
    Instead, it is the Jews of Europe whom are “the leading candidates for citizenship in the State of Israel.
    Hitler, more than he hurt the Jewish people, whom he knew and detested, hurt the Jewish State, whose coming he did not foresee. He destroyed the substance, the main and essential building force of the [Jewish] state. The state arose and did not find the nation which had waited for it.” [Segev, 157].

    More than that, Ben-Gurion attacked the Jews of North Africa:
    “Even the immigrant of North Africa, who looks like a savage, who has never read a book in his life, not even a religious one, and doesn’t even know how to say his prayers, either wittingly or unwittingly has behind him a spiritual heritage of thousands of years. . .
    .”

    “They tell me that there are thieves among them. I am a Polish Jew, and I doubt if there is any Jewish community which has more thieves among them. I am doubtful if there is any Jewish community which has more thieves in it than the Polish ones.” A few years later Ben-Gurion wrote to Justice Moshe Estzioni: “An Ashkenazi gangster, thief, pimp, or murderer will not gain the sympathy of the Ashkenazi community (if there is such a thing), nor will he expect it. But in such a primitive community as the Moroccans’—such a thing is possible. . . . ”

    Ben-Gurion also attacked Yemeni Jews. Oriental Jews continue to suffer discrimination in Israel. Ethiopian Jews get is worse. They are often turned away from schools and apartments and routinely called “N*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s.”

    And the racism has been embedded into the Arab Jewish victims of white supremacist racism:

    “But the distress does not contradict the racism, it goes hand in hand with it. In its early days, when Israel’s character was taking shape, it determined that the white race was superior. When the people who would eventually become “Mizrahim” arrived and were brought here from North Africa, it wasn’t suggested or made possible for them to take part in the government, the land, the systems of power and the media. Very quickly they became citizens, but second-class citizens subject to humiliation and inferior conditions. They were excluded from public life and official cultural life, living with the knowledge and experience of inferiority. And separation: They were put in separate housing projects and separate neighborhoods. People who grow up with this experience of inferiority, when racism is directed at them, internalize that racism. When a landlord, the master, determines that white is good and black is inferior, you internalize that standard and hate yourself because you are not white. The standard of white superiority and the racism that comes with it become part of you, even when you are its victim.”

    If this is how Israel treats fellow Jews, it is any wonder that they are inhumanely cruel to the Palestinians?



    -- Mmmmmmm. :wink:
     
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    Israelis are in denial about so many things...

    I wonder if they even know about the destruction of the aquifers and the water hardships they have created for the Palestinians?

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...ater-miracle-palestine-20143247252981587.html
     

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