How many Stalin murdered?Why and how can Putin make a hero out of this monster?

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;6pc_qWNsV9w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pc_qWNsV9w[/video]
    great documentary
     
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    Stalin was a monster!
     
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    pure one....
     
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    Anti-commies,remember your primary sources of information :

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    "The killing ballance of the bolshevism! (1917 - 1944).

    During the revolution and the civil war was killed 2 200 000.

    During the years of famine and epidemics (1918 - 1921 and 1932 - 1933) died 14 500 000.

    In forced-labor camps died 10 000 000.

    Punitive expeditions destroyed 6 688 000.

    In the border and occupied areas as destroyed 3 277 000.

    During the years of this war (1941 - 1944) was killed and mutilated 18 000 000.

    Totally 54 665 000.

    12 000 000 of Russians have already pulled through the bolshevik's destruction by yelding themselves prisoners of war.

    Take this leaflet and save yourself before it is too late!"
     
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    It is well known that Stalin had been a Christian seminarian.

    That should explain it.
     
  8. mihapiha

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    Stalin was not a good leader for his own people by any stretch of the imagination, however he was a genius at geopolitics. Although suffering was great in his own country (because of him), and although he lost 50 million inhabitants in WW2, Russia came out as a major super power and has remained one to this day. If you consider what he accomplished geopolitically for his country, it makes him one if the most essential heads of state of the 20th century.
     
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    really? tell more

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    what about people what they got out this "status"?
     
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    http://memolition.com/2013/05/10/soviet-photo-manipulation-of-world-war-ii-12-pictures/
     
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    This "status" is quite important in terms of protection. If you are a major power on the world stage other countries follow agreements and respect your borders. In reality country's agreements are only being followed, whenever it is in the major power's interest to do so. So an agreement (i.e. Slovenia has with China) will only be followed as long as it is in the Chinese interest to do so. Other major powers also need agreements with you if you are a major player on the world stage and they will follow the rules more clearly than in some other countries. This type of "status" goes a long way, because it includes Russian companies and Russian business interests as well as Russian citizens.

    Think maybe of the latest drone strikes where the USA massively ignore the airspace of pretty much every country and attack people everywhere. That won't happen in Russia though, because of the dangerous consequences.

    Georgia is a NATO ally, and when they had their conflict with Russia, no other country followed the NATO agreement with Georgia to help them. So in terms of protection and respect on the world stage a passport from a major super power is usually better. It protects you as an individual from the abuse of another country's interests.
     
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    Yep, and his Bolshevik predecessors were also monsters.

    And GB and USA were allies of this monster, they helped him to enslave Poland (GB started WWII because the Brits pretended to love the Poles so much).

    American bankers financed these monsters, without the money of American bankers these monsters would never get power in Russia, and they would not have survived till the 40th, and there would be no WWII.

    Leading American officials, like Harry Dexter White, spied for Stalin, and they got away with it.

    Stalin played back to his supporters, Stalin was the founding Father of Israel. Stalin voted with 5 votes for the partition of Palestine, Stalin was the first leader that "de jure" recognised Israel as a state.

    BTW, Churchill and Stalin were groomed by rich Jews since they were children, rich Jews paid for the education of Stalin and Churchill, and they helped them to become politicians.

    Maybe because of that grooming GB and the SU became allies in WWII.

    BTW, Churchill was no better than Stalin, he was also a mass murderer and a drunken monster.

    But Litwin will never tell the whole story, and he will always blame the crimes of Stalin and other Bolsheviks on Russian people, who were in reality the first victims of these anti-Christian monsters.
     
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    i wish you and your family get such protection. which turn you into a roman slave who works for shelter(poor) and very simple food , who has 0 security guaranty. with bad luck you could be arrested raped, tortured the next step Kurapaty , of with some luck - Gulag

    [video=youtube;MpiiWqUn4jA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpiiWqUn4jA[/video]
    ps ready history very few who attack Muscovy , usually it Muscovy which has attacked others , look whats going on today 25 years of offensive wars
     
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    ok, i disagree with you but i am ready for debate. what do you mean with "Stalin were groomed by rich Jews" any link? then whats about these cases? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Fascist_Committee
     
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    As a Slovene citizen I got the bad from part of every ideology I guess. WW1 was fought close to me and because of the chemical weapons used there are still valleys in which nothing grows. No birds in the air, not even flies. And that's 100 years ago. Ethnic cleansing during and after WW2. My grandfather disappeared in the late 40s. He went out to buy cigarettes and never returned. Probably he ended up as one of the victims of communism at some point. Once Slovenia got to rule their own country, we got ignored by pretty much every power in the world. When NATO officers came and said that they needed to use Slovene air-space to fly attacks against Serbia in the late 90s, the Slovene government said no. The reply was: "If we need the air space, we are going to take it."

    These days many of America's drones who fly into the middle east are stationed in Germany. So I know that they are flying over my head, and there is not a damn thing the Austrian or Slovene government can do about it. Any election I participate in, means absolutely nothing because every government in the world ignores whatever the representative I voted for says. So yeah, I would prefer to have a citizenship of a country which actually means something. My correspondence of any kind probably ends up in 6 or 7 databases around the world, and nobody can protect me from that either.

    I can be pretty confidant that before, during and the first hand full of decades after WW2 has gone through every crisis imaginable, however, we still didn't receive any of the protection which Russians have these days. And to tell you the truth, I don't see how my family could have gone through more and still survived.

    This topic as I understood is how today's Russia can look favorably on Stalin, and I mentioned geopolitics. I don't understand why you'd bring me and my family into this.
     
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    "I would prefer to have a citizenship of a country which actually means something." me too, but i ´d never consider live a life under Stalin terror in order to reach it.

    as a Slovenian you was protected by Tito from Stalin´s madness , questions are "How many Stalin murdered? Why and how can Putin make a hero out of this monster? did Stalin have mental illness(s)?" so my friend its only you who see Topic from "geopolitics" perspective.

    "Russia can look favorably on Stalin," can they be that mental sick, after what Kobe did to them ? no they don't , they are victims of brutal Kiselev- Goebbels propaganda
     
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    Yugoslavia had about 15 million inhabitants before WW2, 1.2 million died during and another 800,000-1.2 million were killed after WW2. I don't think Tito qualifies as a savior from madness, because that would imply that killing off 1 in 11 people is normal. It might be hard for someone who never lived in a Socialist/Communist country to believe, but propaganda is not exclusive to fascism and communism ;) In "free" capitalist democracies you get plenty of propaganda which is quite effective I might add.
     
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    did Yugoslavia fight Stalin´s hordes? but still Tito qualifies as a savior from Stalinist madness,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito–Stalin_Split
     
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    Here is the link:



    And Churcchill was also groomed by rich Jews:



    Well, I think that Dugin explains this perfectly in his article "Jews and Eurasia".

    Jews were split into two groups, and they competed for power in Russia.

    Stalin supported the so-called Hassidic Jews who were supposedly fighting the so-called "Talmudic-bourgeois"-Jews.

    Churchill also talked about the dualism of Jews in his work: Zionism versus Bolshevism

    As we see, Churchill and Stalin believed that there were good and bad Jews.

    Both Stalin and Churchill were supported by Jews since they were children, but they hated the other fraction of Jews. Churchill hated Bolshevik Jews, and Stalin hated Talmudic Jews.

    But was there rally a big division in Jewry?

    Well, yes, Jews kill each others, do not forget that Yitzhak Rabin was killed by a Jew.

    But on the other hand there is a cooperation between the different fractions of Jews, Jewish bankers in the USA supported Bolshevik Jews.

    Churchill and Stalin were fools who could not understand that the dualism of Jewry is not deep enough. The ideology plays a role, but in the end all fractions of Jews stick together and do what they believe is good for Jews, and the interests of non-Jews play a secondary role for all fractions of Jews.

    Putin may also be fooled by this "Jewish dualism".

    It is no secret that some prominent Jews, like Eskin, Satanovski, Zhirinivski, Solovyov, Gordon, Kabzon etc... support Putin and instigate hate against the West.

    But these Jews will never instigate hate against Zionism, the Israel Lobby in the West, or the Jewish State

    These Jews, that support Putin, instigate hate against Ukrainians, Germans, Anglo-Saxons, Americans, Europeans, but they will never mention the fact, that the West is controlled by Jews.

    The Israeli Eskin and his Jewish colleagues were the advisers who convinced Putin that it is a good thing to revive the Soviet Mythology and rehabilitate Stalin.

    And if Putin believes that these Jews care more about the interests of Russians than about the interests of Jews, then he is as stupid, as it was the case with Churchill, Stalin and other political leaders.
     
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    I'd like to focus on the"why".

    Cultural marxists are control freaks, he did it to stay in control.
     
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    The Soviets persecuted many Jews as well.

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    that makes zero sense

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    again, makes no sense, as Bolshevism was a huge threat to large corporate banks, and large industries, as they NATIONILIZED such entities.
     
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    Putin wants to take out ISIS? That's fine by me.Assad's adversaries? that's ok,too.

    Ain't like Obama was doing it.
    Good on um I say
     
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    And bi polar.

    I don't know about mind changing. I do know about mania and thinking he could sort out subversive jews, islam, hold the empire, halt Britians Economic decline, beat the soviet union AND fight the Nazis.

    people with bi polar should NEVER be put in charge of a nation.

    I agree with your post. During ww2, cultural bolsheviks crept into government departments. That was where the West was lost, the defining moment. And all because Churchill was on a high.
     
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    litwin wrote: did Stalin have mental illness(s)?

    Stalin was a sop-head. Alcoholism is a b-i-g problem in Russian society at all levels.

    Due to his age or maybe due to the position of power he attained and had to guard, (or both) he developed a kind of alcoholic paranoia about what he perceived to be a threat to his position.

    Also, there is possibly some degree of the Napoleon complex (he, like Hitler was of small stature) that factored into the equation.

    At their core, alcoholics are insecure no matter what their success or position in life.
     
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    And what is most important - Churchill and his party were not elected by the voters, they were appointed.

    The controlled British Media played a decisive role in the decisive moment.

    Chamberlain was de facto forced to resign and that is the reason why Churchill becomes Prime Minister.
     

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