Putin: The U.S. World Order has Failed

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  1. catalinacat

    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is playing with boys. The U.S. should have started cooperating with Russia years ago. Of course several countries didn't attend because of pressure from Obama. It is pure ignorance from Obama to try and isolate Putin. He also asked who made Obama a judge.

    http://news.yahoo.com/putin-obama-made-him-judge-135549344--abc-news-topstories.html
     
  2. Rainbow Crow

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    The Chinese-Russo petroruble deal is definitely a nail in the coffin. This should be taken as an opportunity for our country to fundamentally reassess how we react to world events. It applies to both liberals and conservatives; the rush to find a boogieman in Ukraine has not served our long term interests at all. It was never a fight we were going to win and the Maidan have been a wholly sympathetic movement.
     
  3. catalinacat

    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It served Kerry's and Biden's interests well. Biden's son and Kerry's son's former roommate are now head of the board at the Ukraine gas company - Burisma.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need some tough investigative reporters, because the person who owns Burisma is the one under suspicion for the atrocities in Odessa. The problem is that it would never get published thanks to the connection of the medias with the administration. Seymour Hersch did a report on the chemical attack in Syria, and said Turkey was involved and that it wasn't Assad, and he was forced to go to London to have the published.
     
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    Gas company without gas?
     
  6. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I really, really want to see China-Russian Oil/Gas Development, Inc.
    extend offers to Latin America at a better deal than Chevron, or BP, etc.


    Imagine !
    Ta - Ta Monroe Doctrine and Sphere of Influence !


    Moi :oldman:




    No :flagcanada:
     
  7. Pronin24

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    I hope those guys will have only that gas, which is in their farts.
     
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    Energy independence west from Russia - the daily intake of peas.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Putin is a Wannabe Stalin, who gives a hoot what he has to say. Maybe he should stick to running Russia instead of running his mouth.
     
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    You don't know it but the orthodox christians who speak of "world order" are half lunatics .

    Nope, try Ivan the terrible .
     
  11. Pronin24

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    People, who are labeling names of Hitler and Stalin, have very vague idea about either one. This is childish at best. Corporation style politics is as dangerous to the world as Stalin or Hitler were.
     
  12. Woogs

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    I came across this little nugget that dates back to last November. It's 'news' to me as I've never seen what it is we were doing prior to Nuland's '(*)(*)(*)(*) the EU' phone call.

    Now I know.
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    Link: http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/ts...ions_for_inciting_civil_war_in_ukraine_313204

    November 20 /Ukrinform/. A member of the Party of Regions faction in parliament, Oleh Tsariov, has sent a deputy's request to the Ukrainian authorities to take measures to stop and prevent representatives of foreign countries from interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine. He said that the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv is promoting preparations for inciting a civil war in Ukraine.

    He said this from the parliament's rostrum on Wednesday, the press service of the Party of Regions reported.

    "Activists of the Volia public organization addressed me as a people's deputy of Ukraine and provided strong evidence that the TechCamp project is being implemented in our state with the support and direct participation of the U.S. Embassy, as part of which preparations for inciting a civil war in Ukraine are underway. The TechCamp project is aimed at training information war experts and potential revolutionaries to organize protests and overthrow the regime. The project is being implemented under the patronage of U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt," the politician said.

    Tsariov said that under the guise of teaching the peculiarities of the use of modern media, U.S. instructors are talking about the use of social networking and Internet technologies for purposeful influence on public opinion and the intensification of the protest potential n order to organize protests and radicalize the struggle for power. "As examples American instructors provided the use of social networks for the organization and management of street riots in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya," he said.

    He said that TechCamp graduates are conducting subversive activities in Ukraine, openly recruiting like-minded people on the Internet for organizing riots, protests and provocations, while citing the support of the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.

    Tsariov demanded that law enforcement agencies find out whether representatives of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv violate the United Nations Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States.
     
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  13. moon

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    It certainly seems likely, doesn't it ?
    However, it appears that that particular aspect of Washington's interference has fallen on its bum- Europe doesn't want to wave any sticks at Moscow.

    The ' sanctions' method of US hegemony might well be grinding to a halt. Target governments are openly stating that such gestures would be futile if they were no longer reliant upon the US dollar- and are beginning to sound out alternatives.
     
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    This is all fun for politicians. Natural development of events will show who is a looser. New growing powers change the world order.
     
  15. Woogs

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    My earlier post about TechCamp, which was news to me, got me to looking into it.

    TechCamp is part of the State Department's Civil Society 2.0 initiative. It was launched in 2010 under Hillary Clinton.

    Just from a quick reading, it's easy to see that this tool is a double-edged sword. That these camps would be used for political purposes is obvious, given that they are sponsored by the State Department.
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    Link: http://m.state.gov/mc38942.htm

    Civil Society 2.0 is an initiative to assist non-governmental (NGOs) and civil society organizations (CSOs) in using new digital tools and technologies to increase the reach and impact of their work.

    The State Department convened technologists, CSOs, and those who understand the interface of the two groups. Through specific regional events, we gather an understanding of the challenges CSOs face and engage the technology community to help solve them appropriately. In November 2010, a Tech@State: Civil Society event introduced this idea, and its first application, TechCamp, took place in Santiago, Chile.

    For TechCamp Santiago, the Department of State and its partner, Personal Democracy Forum (PdF), convened technologists and civil society leaders from around the Americas to identify and implement improvements. Goals of the program include increasing regional civil society organizations' digital literacy, sharing information, building networks and matchmaking like-minded individuals to organizations. By expanding capacity overall through the digital sphere, organizations will be able to work more efficiently toward their goals.

    Global and regional technology and social media experts worked together with regional civil society representatives to determine specific need and build practical applications on the following themes:

    promoting social and economic opportunity; ensuring the safety of our citizens; strengthening effective institutions of democratic governance; and addressing the challenges of energy security and climate change.

    The issues identified during TechCamp Chile fed into the global Random Hacks of Kindness event in December 2010. The combination of TechCamp training and Random Hacks programming allowed technology volunteers from around the world to assist in developing solutions for the civil society organizations in attendance in Santiago.

    TechCamp, a key program of Civil Society 2.0, is a two day training event through which the Department of State pairs leaders in the technology community with civil society organizations to provide training, resources, and assistance that enable civil society organizations to harness the latest connection technologies to build their capacity and advance their missions.
     
  16. Face. Your

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    Why should the US cooperate with an authoritarian war criminal like Putin? Putin deserves one of two fates trial before the Hague or a snipers bullet to the head.
     
  17. Face. Your

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    Except that nobody will trade in Rubles and the EU backs the sanctions against the authoritarian war criminal Putin and his fascist collaborators.
     
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    Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the Russian Federation "deserves a bullet to the head " ?
     
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    he will remembered as

    Vladimir the Smart.

    And overall because as main competitor he has found

    Barack the Naive.

    and sure Angela the Mindless doesn't help about this.
     
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    Putin is very known in Italy [we tend to call him "our good friend Vladimir"], his personal friendship with Berlusconi [and the tale of the big bed in a palace in Rome, a gift by the Russian President to the Italian PM has played a role in this] has added a lot to his image ... and among the right leaning moderates [like me]. In fact Italian left doesn't like him so much. This is really particular.

    A part this general consideration, Italy is also reasoning about a kind of "bow" [Rome - Ankara - Moscow], of course about an other international pipeline.

    So, from here to see Putin and Russia as still a natural competitor as old USSR is not that easy.

    It's just the matter of Ukraine to have made us change our attitude towards this new Russia [which is showing not to be that "new"].

    US World Order?

    About this, we need to remember that the experience of Putin in the intelligence has left him a great capability to use and manipulate communication, also using stereotypes and built conceptualizations. So I tend not to give great importance to his image speeches.
     
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    So now we know what the five billion dollar democratic reforms were in Ukraine that Nuland was talking about.:oldman:
     
  22. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On what charges? That he doesn't want homosexuality to be propagated to minors? :roflol:
     
  23. Face. Your

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    Absolutely he is a war criminal and legitimate military target anywhere in the word so long as his forces of which he is commander and chief are in illegal occupation of Ukrainian and Georgian territory as are all Russian soldiers and officials within the upper echelon of his totalitarian regime, in that respect he is no different than Hitler and Hitler's inner circle who were all legitimate military targets as well, that is perfectly in line with the laws and customs of war, international law, and the geneva conventions.
     
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    No on the charges of war crimes for the illegal invasion, occupation, and annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory the same goes for all Russian soldiers and officials within the upper echelon of his totalitarian regime, in that respect he is no different than Hitler and Hitler's inner circle who were all legitimate military targets as well, that is perfectly in line with the laws and customs of war, international law, and the geneva conventions.
     
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    face,your;
    It's appalling that you should openly call for the murder of a foreign Head of State. Shouldn't you retract before you're taken seriously- despite your statement that you should be taken seriously ?

    Putin has challenged the US ' world order '. For this you want him murdered ?
     

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