Why do the liberals want to sell out the UK?

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  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    Mass immigration, feminism, selling of assets, same sex marriage, Islamification - where does it all end?

    When will UK turn into a 2nd rate nation?

    And why do these libs and their hacks even want this?
     
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    They were out in force again as usual in the BBC Question Time audience last night, showing us how out of touch they really are.

    Okay, so last night's show came from the new terminal at Heathrow Airport, and London is one of the most lefty liberal areas of the country, but it still always amazes me (and leaves me rather suspicious) as to how QT audiences are always packed full of liberal lefties, even when the show is coming from a true blue Tory area.
     
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    william walker New Member

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    It isn't liberals, it is the intellectual class which does this and is supported by the Unions and the imobile poor. So they win loads of votes. When will it end only when they can't force change on the population through government force. That means extreme action. First off only property owners and married people should be able to vote in elections. This is the most important thing if you remove the poor and Unions from the voting system you remove the intellectuals power voting block, which also includes people who have gone to university. The money they need comes from multi-national companies and foreign billionaires. So we need to limit what can be spent in elections and who can give the government money. We must force the Commons to give the Monarchy, Church, Courts and Lords their powers back stolen over the past 70 years. We need to remove ourselves from the EU and NATO. Then we need to elect to office parties which want to remove government from the economy, scrap whole departments and devolve powers to parish and county governments. I would scrap the NHS, Pensions, Welfare, Education, Quango's and Infrastructure. Defence, currency, prisons, border patrol and foreign policy should be the only things done by the Commons and government. Everything else should be done at the local level.
     
  4. munter

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    BBC is just full of leftie fascists - sure they had Nick Griffin on it once, the guy couldn't even get a word in , as the PC brigade just cut of his 'freedom to speak'
     
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    munter New Member

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    william walker:

    how do you constitute what a 'property owner' actually is?

    and married people - why should they get more of a say than a single person?
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    There hasn't been one coherent argument on here. I'm no fan of liberalism (given their success at maintaining capitalism), but they're looking like intellectual giants!
     
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    Some who owns land or land based property.

    Because single people only care about themselves, married people care about their partner or their children.
     
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    how about long term girlfriend plus kid, can't see how a piece of paper changes that, and land-based, so you mean freeholders only without mortgage? that would make for a VERY low voter turnout.

    sounds fairly fascist to me..........
     
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    william walker New Member

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    The job of laws is to reinforce the culture which the nation was built on, so it is culturally better to be married than not in a Protestant country. So long terms girlfriend plus two kids shouldn't be able to vote. Where is the farther in all this, what reason in law does he have to stay with the children and the mother? Yes I mean free holders without a mortgage. I want the turnout to be low of mainly middle aged and older people who are middle or upper class. I also want low house prices and an economy built on savings and capital, rather than spending and assets.

    No it isn't fascist.
     
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    that's a total joke post , gotta be either BNP or extreme UKIP to come up with that tosh....

    UK, a protestant country? get real, not many go to church these days, and of course even those that do don't believe in it.

    and good luck with your 5% majority:rolleyes:

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    Father has no obligation to stay with the woman even if he's married either, or is this what you propose?
     
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    william walker New Member

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    Extreme UKIP, I would say.

    The basis for law is currently the English language bible and the Protestant Church of England, the Monarch is the defender of the Protestant Faith and Protestant sects are larger than all other religions combined. So yes the UK is a Protestant country. I and my parents believe the bible and have faith in God. I can't comment on others.

    It may only be 5% of the population currently, however a generation from now it would be closer to 30% and after that 50% plus. So you change peoples way of life and reinforce the culture for stability.

    There are a number of obligations that the father or husband must undertake with marriage which aren't undertaken without marriage. The main one being social and economic obligation by choice rather than force of the government.
     
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    It was the last time I checked. To say that you have to go to church to have any Protestant, Church of England beliefs in ludicrous.

    According to the 2011 census, the people of northern England, Northern Ireland and parts of the Western Isles are the most likely to define themselves as Christians, with Londoners and much of mainland Scotland the least likely.
     
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    How are you going to increase home ownership from 5% up to 30 or even 50%;
    What's your magic formula here?

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    The UK is a secular country, and the Bible has no place in the law - so not sure where you are getting your info from.

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    Cherry picking the Bible does not make you a Christian, it's either all or nothing, otherwise you are a blasphemer.
     
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    Nothing wrong with immigration - if they can voluntarily negotiate ownership of land then who is the state to stand between both parties? Immigration is detrimental because of the welfare state. Abolish the welfare state instead.

    Feminism can definitely go too far. Depends what exactly you mean.

    Same sex marriage has the same problem as marriage generally - the government is involved in it when it should clearly be left to the people.

    If by Islamification you mean the adoption of totalitarian Islamic laws then I agree, if you just mean Muslims existing near you then I don't have any sympathy for you unless they took that property by force.
     
  15. william walker

    william walker New Member

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    People who own land and are married. I would increase central bank interest rates and remove all government credit for banks to backup consumer mortages and deposits. Basically reverse the government policies which inflated to house bubble to deflate it. It would make marriage and abortion issues controlled by the Church of England in law, so the Church decides marriage and abortion law.
    Just a guess, random numbers which sound good in a debate.

    The government is secular yeah, the rest of the government system isn't though. The bible is the basis for the law, it is rather late to now say it has no place in law. Also what do you replace the bible with as the just basis for law?

    I think it is rather the secularists to cherry pick and have no understand of the bible.
     
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    william walker New Member

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    Immoral marriage is a matter for the Church of England, whats happening now is the commons taking power from the Church of England and giving it to the Commons, this is creating tyranny. The british governmental system wasn't meant to work this way and has been distorted. You Libertarians aren't helping and are as much of a problem as the socialists and progressive liberals. Even though I do share your economically Austrian views.
     
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    So not only must you be an outright property owner and be married, but you must also ascribe to a Christian theocracy - so just how many votes are you thinking of getting anyway? lol
     
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    william walker New Member

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    I looked it up and what I want wouldn't be a Christian theocracy. Rather power balance between 6 governmental institutions the Church, Monarchy, Courts, Lords, Commons and Media. Each should have their own role and limited set of powers.

    I don't expect to get what I want through using democracy, rather using the power the Monarchy, Church and Courts still have to limit the Commons and Media control over the country.
     

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