Vote Communist Party of Britain! But why so many more votes for BNP?

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  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    Communist Party of Britain talk a lot of sense. CPB.

    One should read through their articles online - far more realistic than all the watered down Trotskyite rubbish out there.

    1000 votes last election, not too many but still significant.

    Any views on this party?

    And why do BNP get so many more votes than them?
     
  2. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    A thousand votes? hah! Well, yeah, I agree. I recommend all left wingers to cast (waste) their vote on the communist party, because by the way the Uk system works, that means they'll just throw their vote away. Brilliant. Spoiler parties like this is exactly what is needed to weaken the leftists. I hope the CPB steals many voters (as long as they are below the number required to get representation).

    sincerily, good luck.
     
  3. munter

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    1000 votes today, but 10,000 tomorrow!

    It may seem like a wasted vote to some, but does allow them to act as a pressure group, esp when you consider that very often the far left co-operate with each other on campaigns, and then we're talking around 30,000 voters plus numerous sympathisers who vote for Labour etc..
     
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    As I've said, I wish you good luck because in a system such as the UK's you efforts will only weaken the left. Draw as many votes as you can, they'll all be wasted.
     
  5. munter

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    the far left isn't as fussed about votes as the mainstream parties though, ie: it's more a tactic of spreading the socialist message and infiltration from within
     
  6. Routist

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    Mainly due to two reasons.

    a) The recent economic downturn has left people scrambling for scapegoats-immigrants, the EU whatever they can find to justify their concerns and squarely place blame for their own poor position on those individuals. One group in particular seems to have been outlined specifically for a barrage of hatred and media criticism-immigrant. A useful scapegoat and particularly good for explaining unemployment, breeding inter-cultural rivalries and then playing those off to win votes for your own party. One group that did this effectively and continues to do so, albeit at a reduced pace considering such policies were adopted by other parties namely UKIP, was the BNP. Using rising xenophobia and discontent to push an agenda or drum up support has been a favourite tactic of populist parties throughout history BNP are simply just another far-right group to join the trend. In times of economic difficulty far right groups tend to do well.

    b) Communism appears to have a negative aura attached to it. Any mention of the word communism brings back images of the cold war, infractions of human rights and Soviet style oppression. For decades a media campaign was run to discredit notions of communism, classless societies and marxist policies to the extent that the term "communist" or "socialist" became a slur. While such views have abated in recent year, anti-communist and anti socialist rhetoric and bias continues to play a role in society and people still view communism as something to be feared as opposed to a genuinely revolutionary and possibly even positive idea.
     
  7. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    If I remember rightly the economic downturn in the UK was partly due to the GFC and partly due to the policies of the Coalition government.

    On Communism. Although the concept is old the practise is very recent, in human historical terms. There are failed attempts and the reasons for failure need to be clearly analysed and learned from. Improvement means ditching useless ideas and developing new ones and not being hamstrung by the need for purist ideology. Even Marx changed his ideas during his life (not sure about Engels, who seems to have been pretty grounded from the start).

    Quite right about the media campaigns. I was a kid and then teenager in Britain in the 1950s to mid-1960s. Even today if someone says "Communist" the first image that comes to mind is a cartoonish representation of Khruschev. I used to think Yul Brynner might have been a bad man because he was as bald as Nikita. Talk about conditioning.
     
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    I would rather vote for a facist party like the Conservatives than the Communits. People in Britain are looking for a economically liberal and socially Conservative party, which is why UKIP are getting so many votes. I just wish people would stop voting Conservative and started voting UKIP.

    I am a Protestant Classical Liberal, and I have been thinking about creating a party of the same name. However it would be far to radical to win elections. UKIP is the best you can hope for currently.
     
  9. munter

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    do you think the UKIP would attempt to bring back some kind of manufacturing etc to the UK, or will it just be more coffee shops and bankers?
     
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    Historically the most influential and wide Communist Party in a Western democracy after WW II has been the PCI [Italian Communist Party] able to collect more than the 33% of the voters at general elections, but never able to make a majority in parliament to govern Italy [there was a not written agreement among the other parties to exclude the Communists from the government of the Republic, the so called "clause AD EXCLUDENDUM"].

    As for I remember [when I was a teen the Italian Communist Party was still there, today it's the Democrat Party of our PM Matteo Renzi] the PC had to change into a democrat party [just following the model of the American one, but keeping the Socialist core of the Italian party] to face the "americanization" of our politics started by Berlusconi in early 90's.

    Before of that, the PC was losing consensus with the change of Italian society [more and more open, modern, post industrialized and with more and more consumerism ... it was the age of Reagan].

    So, I cannot say that today a Communist Party can meet a wide demand on the political market.
     
  11. Routist

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    That would be beneficial in terms of boosting exports and helping to rebalance to economy i.e. make us less reliant of financial services which failed us so catastrophically during the GFC. The problem is how would they go about doing it, I suppose laxer tax policies could be one way to attract corporations to Britain, however at a time when big businesses are coming under scrutiny regarding their finances in Britain and Europe and with some councils lobbying for increased taxes of large corporations this may not be the way forward. Another problem would be the fact that the majority of major investors into the UK, namely Toyota and the like, have spoken out against leaving the EU (a major UKIP policy) with some expressing the view they would only remain providing they get access to the single market. Needless to say any potential EU exit may lead to the outsourcing of labour and relocation of corporations to EU countries with less health and safety regulations and cheaper labour.
     
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    How would votes for the CPB "weaken the left"?

    Why is a vote for the CPB a waste?
     
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    That is not correct. The economic downturn in the UK happened under the previous Labour government of Gordon Brown, not under the current coalition government who have been trying to pick up the pieces of Labour's disastrous economic policies and massive overspending ever since.
     
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    No, they don't. They talk a lot of pie-in-the-sky, utopian, smash-the-rich nonsense, just like every other communist party in history, and just like every other communist party in history they would, if they actually gained power (which thankfully they won't), end up becoming a nightmare combination of 'government knows best' dictatorship, absolute corruption and complete economic incompetence. Communism is fundamentally flawed as an ideology because it fails utterly to take account of human ambition - it all sounds lovely at first, but it can never work in the real world because human beings are what they are, and control will be seized by the ambitious and greedy (because there is nothing to stop them). Communism assumes that everyone in society is only interested in doing their best for their fellow man, and in having only what their government tells them is what they need, but that just isn't true. 1000 votes is probably about as far as they will ever get, thankfully.
     
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    For the same reason that UKIP do - the world is unfortunately full of frightened people, ignorant people and borderline potential bigots who are more than prepared, in difficult economic circumstances, to blame 'them foreigners' for everything that they think is wrong with their society (even though much of what they think is wrong probably actually isn't, and is nothing more than spun sensationalism from certain quarters of the media and political world with an extreme agenda of their own to promote).
     
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    I agree entirely, if anything the Coalition government can be credited with reviving the economy, stimulating growth and putting us on the path of economic success. There are issues for one the housing market can be brought under control, this can be achieved by cutting the "help to buy" scheme, building more houses or cutting immigration so it's not necessarily out of the reach of the coalition government provided the chancellors deals with the matter competently.
     
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    I mentioned the GFC. It had its own impact and governments around the world designed their responses. The Coalition government in Britain went for austerity. That hasn't helped. The causes of the GFC weren't down to any British government, but governments chose their responses. Some governments who chose to fight it with a Keynesian approach have protected their economies, those who went for austerity have, in the main, so far failed to get their economies out of the slump.
     
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    Interesting article in The Guardian that may touch on this http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-state-intervention-technological-innovation
     
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    George Osborne's economic plan was austerity heavy and yet here we are in the midst of an economic recovery with a predicted strong performance for next year. Somewhat undermines the old Labour mantra that the economy hasn't recovered and never will with a Conservative government.
     
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    I really hope you're right. That there is an economic recovery I mean. And that things do get better. But we'll have to wait and see how the predictions work out.
     
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    So far so good. The IMF has recently raised its annual predictions to 3.2% from 2.7 earlier this year and a rate of between 2.5-2.7% is estimated for the four quarters of 2015. However, some analysts have warned that systems such as the absurd "help to buy scheme" could undermine the recovery, result in a property bubble which may have destabilising repercussions on both consumer confidence and the property market as a whole.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10990250/UK-economy-finally-returns-to-pre-crisis-level.html

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5f5ba3ca-132e-11e4-8244-00144feabdc0.html

    Obviously there will be some time before the recovery takes hold on the ground and we see real wages rise and GDP per capita growth.
     
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    Real wages growing and full employment would be great.
     
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    How do you define full employment? Different people set up different benchmarks, and it should be noted full employment isn't always beneficial.
     
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    I hate it when people say you will throw your vote away unless you vote for some weak, Zionist establishment shill. I'd rather throw my vote away by not voting than vote for some undeserving dweeb I despise that perpetuates the same policies I am against.
     
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    Because the BNP talk a lot more sense and are more in touch with the ordinary man on the street than the Communist Party.

    The people of Britain are mainly right-of-centre, not left-of-centre.
     

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