Are The Russians Considered Sub Human In The West?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is an interesting personal account of what was going on in Maidan, the fear they had later in Crimea as they manned barricades at the border, and the question as to why the West has focused so little on the killings of the people in Odessa, and also the killings in Eastern Ukraine. This article is an unbelievable account of the killings and massacres of the Russians in Eastern Ukraine, and yet the author laments of how there is not even one bit of sympathy or condolence from the West. Does the West consider the Russians untermenchens as this author believes? Here are some excerpts:

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    On 01 December 2013 my wife and I watched the Right Sector and Svoboda Party operatives attempt to take the Presidential Administration Building on Bankhova Street in Kiev under the active and visible command of Vitaly Klitchko and Petro Poroshenko, two sitting deputats of the Ukraine Rada (parliament).

    The victors of the Maidan coup d'etat, Oleg Tyagnibok (a sitting deputat of Ukraine Rada) and Dmitro Yarush, leaders of Svoboda Party and Right Sector Party respectively, had stated, during a live interview on Channel 5 TV in Kiev on 27 February 2014, that they were going to lead their combined 5500 fighters from Miadan down to Krim and Sevastopol and 'kill every Russian there' combined with 'we will put every Russian in Krim to the knife'. We took them seriously and we knew they were heavily armed with AK 47's and RPGs, clearly seen in videos of the end and aftermath of the coup in Maidan.

    Long story short, we seized our two governments from the Kiev appointed administrators, formed new governments for Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Krimea and shortly thereafter activated a treaty signed with Russia in 1993 wherein Russia guaranteed the safety of the Autonomous Republic of Krimea and the City of Sevastopol. Russia honored that treaty and 3 days later the Russian Army arrived to protect us from the coup government in Kiev.

    On 02 May there was a football match in Odessa on the south coast of Ukraine. We all know what happened in Odessa with the massacre of the anti Kiev demonstrators, unarmed demonstrators, in and around the Labor Union Building in Odessa as they were beaten, shot and burned to death. What you don't know is the true number of dead that day and evening. 297 anti Kiev demonstrators AND innocents died that day. Over 50 were in hospital. Some of those who jumped from the entrance hall stairway at the fourth and fifth floor levels were beaten to death as they lay on the ground. Others were made to crawl away, severely injured, and were kicked and beaten as they crawled to the pile of wounded.

    To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy or condolences for any of the wounded or dead in Odessa. The overriding comments from what little was said about Odessa in The West was the fact that the 'anti kiev activists and agents' accidently set the building on fire as they were throwing molotov cocktails at the football fans around the building. Why should they care? After all, the men, women, and yes, two children, who died in the massacre are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.

    On 9 May there was a massacre in the city of Mariupol in Donetsk Oblast, now the Donbas Peoples Republic. Over 100 unarmed citizens and Militsiya (police) were shot down, often right on live camera. Yes, many of the citizens were screaming great obscenities at the Right Sector unit that entered the city. The police were slaughtered in their headquarters for being 'disloyal' to Kiev Government. Some were burned alive, handcuffed, in the police headquarters as it was burned by the Right Sector unit.

    To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy or expressed condolences for the murdered men and women in Mariupol. After all, the dead citizens are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen
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    The article continues with atrocity after atrocity, and killing after killing, yet the lament of not one sympathy or condolence from the West. A must read:

    http://www.sott.net/article/279970-Russians-are-seen-as-sub-humans-in-the-eyes-of-the-West
     
  2. martin76

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    exactly .. it´s so....when the Russians kill several thousand fascist coup in Ukraine (in a not very far future)... U.S.A. and Berlin put the outcry ..
     
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    Yes, there is an obvious double standard.

    Try to replace the word "Russians" with the word "Jews" in the hundreds of blanket statements made about Russians in this forum, and you will be amazed!

    Russians are now intentionally dehumanised by the controlled media, and after that the consumers will not feel that the killed children are human beings.

    That are just "wicked Russians" or "pro-Russians", and many people in this forum openly called for the ethnic cleansing of Ukraine from native Ukrainians who are "pro-Russian".
     
  4. Ronstar

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    its funny when invaders, imperialists & provacatuers make believe THEY are the victims.

    :roflol:

    when the world imposed sanctions on Apartheid South Africa, the white racist Afrikaners yelled "the world hates white people!!!!"
     
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    Russian people are not the problem just as Iranian people are not the problem, it is their governments that are the real problem.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have nothing personal against the more than 100 million Russian people.

    I DO have a major problem with their govt., the Communists/Nationalists in the govt., and especially Putin and his gang of criminals & murderers.
     
  7. martin76

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    You are wrong... Russian are in UKRAINIA FROM ... 800 years ago maybe!!!! Donetsk has never been Ukrainian till LENIN times...
    the invaders are the February coup and the Yankee who violated all treaties signatured in nineties.. between other not to extend NATO to East...USA is the problem.. ... when happens what has to happen...i hope anyone regrets!
     
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    The USA and Canada used to be the same country.

    does that mean Canada has the right to invade and conquer Ontario?
     
  9. Kiwi33

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    Yes a lawlessness in Ukraine and in relation to Russia a lawlessness... For the West cold war also didn't come to an end... In Ukraine there was two Maidan. As a result it turns out that both Maidan – both February, and November – didn't achieve the objects and was senseless. The main slogan of an autumn Maidan, I will remind, there was a signing of the economic agreement on association with EU, the slogan of a February Maidan – Ukraine without thieves and oligarchs. And what as a result it turned out? The president elected the oligarch who refuses to sign economic part of the agreement. As they say, against what fought, on that and ran (changed nothing... )
     
  10. Jeannette

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    Yes, but the Russian government is not a problem to the Russian people, it is a problem only to those who could care less for the Russian people, and have only their own self interests at heart. Besides, who are we to impose our 'great' values on others, I mean what are our values, when we are able to support the lowest elements in existence like the Swaboda Party, and Nazi right sector in Ukraine, and Al Nusra/Al Queda in Syria?

    While the animals in Kiev were burning and massacring hundreds of innocent people without any qualms, our 'controlled' media was playing its game of 'cover up', as if its some kind of political; 'let's see who is going to win the propaganda popularity game.' And then to top it off, we talk about freedom and how Vladimir Putin incarcerates and kills criminals and murderers and how he refuses to allow gays to dance naked in parades, while we in the meantime go around flaunting the blasphemers of the Church of Our Saviour as if those girls were heros... and by doing so insulted the whole Russian nation and people.

    Would those girls be flaunted if they went into Saint Patricks or the Washington Cathedral? I don't think so, I think the American people would be aghast, yet we love it when they do it with impunity in Orthodox Russia. Isn't it lovely the way our administration can accuse the Russian government of turning the Russian people against us, rather than our own criminal actions towards them.

    So Hoosier, let's stop turning black into white and white into black and let's face the fact that the U.S. has lost its moral and ethical compass and there is no way Russia will bow down to a fallen state such as the one we have become. Frankly I don't see how it is possible to avoid WWIII, unless of course we're lucky and it's only a Cold War.:oldman:
     
  11. Hoosier8

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    I do not disagree with you about losing the moral and ethical compass but again, it is government that is the problem when it becomes as large and as authoritative as it has here. Propaganda is the name of the game for all authoritarian States and unfortunately often even good people fall prey to it.
     
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    Are polish, lithuanians, ukrainians, jews, finish are recognized as sub-humans by russians?
     
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    That both were at one time British colonies does not make them the same country.

    Any more brilliance you want to dazzle us with?
     
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    Better watch out. If you want to start revisiting history, you'll run smack dab into your Furher!
     
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    Jeannette,

    Thanks again for providing the talking points of the Kremlin.

    No, we don't consider Russians sub-human.

    Glad I could clear that up for you, and every other Russian.
     
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    I don't know what are talking about.
    Same country? You mean Great Britain? How Ontario can be conquered by Canada? It is a part of Canada, isn't it?
     
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    It is a problem for the countries they have invaded and whose people they have ethnically cleansing (Georgians in South Ossettia) and who they are currently ethnically cleansing (Ukrainians in the Crimea).

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    Pure Kremlin propaganda not backed by any reputable human rights group in the world.
     
  18. Face. Your

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    As opposed to the current fascist in chief Vladimir Putin of the Russian Federation?

    MOD EDIT - Reply to deleted
     
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    many Stalinists in this forum seem to think Russians are a master race and all others are untermenschen.
     
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    California was once a part of Mexico does Mexico have the right to annex California? Ireland was once a part of the United Kingdom does the United Kingdom have the right to annex Ireland? Large swaths of eastern Russia were once a part of China, does China have the right to annex territory in Eastern Russia? How do those analogies suit you?
     
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    Mod Edit ~ Remove baiting/off topic

    On the contribution of influential Jews of the time to the formation of the Third Reich, Hitler's growing influence of "the world community" prefers to remain silent. And people who raise this issue immediately accused of revisionism, fascism, anti-Semitism, etc. Hitler and the Jews - this is one of the most closed topics in the world media. Although it is no secret that the Fuhrer and Nazi Party sponsored by such influential Jewish industrialists, as Reynold Gesner and Fritz Mandel. Hitler had considerable assistance famous banking dynasty Warburg and personally Max Warburg (Director of the Hamburg bank "MM Warburg & Co."). Among other Jewish bankers who spared no expense on the NSDAP, you must select Berliners Oscar Wasserman (one of the leaders of Deutsche Bank) and Hans Privin. A number of researchers believe that Rothschilds participated in the financing of the Nazi - was needed for the project to create a Jewish state in Palestine. Try reading something other than the New York Times. Eg. Such as historical archives.
     
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    Meaningless post, start to finish. I was replying go Ronstar's post and his statement that the US and Canada were once part of the same country.

    I take it that you agree with his assertion as you are running interference for him.
     
  23. Ronstar

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    Indeed, the Russians say that since Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Ukraine, eastern Poland, Slovakia, parts of Romania, all used to be part of the Russian Empire, Putin today has the right to take back these lands.

    it sounds just like Hitler in 1935.
     
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    (laughs) Still need to add the Northern California and Alaska. And be sure to Czech.
     
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    The Odessa terrorists who were exterminated were rightly got rid of. As moral people, to shed a tear for a Russian Terrorist is to shed a tear too many.

    Instead we should celebrate at the elimination of Russian terrorists in Ukraine. The Evil Russian Commies believe that they have a right to rule over Ukraine. No sir, that right belongs to Ukraine, which will be supported by us in the USA and elsewhere.

    The Russians have Nazi sympathies and Putin is clearly a Nazi lover too. This is why Israel is with the USA and against the Russian Nazi Terrorists.

    We must continue to provide Ukraine with satellite based locations of the Russians so that they can hit the terrorists and kill them with a minimal of collateral damage.

    For every Ukrainian murdered, we must help the Ukrainians to exterminate 200 Russian terrorists.
     

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