Poroshenko asked rebels to surrender

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...n-rebels-reject-peace-pleas-vow-fight-n125481

Poroshenko asked leaders of independent republic in the east to lay their arms, promising immunity to those, who have no blood on their hands. At the same time, nothing had been done to find and punish murderers from the so-called right sector fascists from western Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania. Will he get blood on his hands? In the past, he served in government of crazy hawkish woman Timoshenko. He may turn out to be a scoundrel.

 

"Draft Law on Amendments to the Law of Ukraine on Terrorism" 4985 02.06.2014
"In the area of anti-terrorist operations may impose additional restrictions on the rights and freedoms of citizens."
original law on Ukrainian http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=51168

 

Laws are made by people and changed by people. Novorussia became and independent state.

 

It seems he is saying whatever his supporters want him to say. Putin said he doesn't have blood on his hands yet, so let's wait and see what happens. Tomorrow the ultimatum is up on the gas bill. Europe is the one who would be worried about it, since Ukraine will start stealing gas from their pipe lines... as it did in the past. In a way, Ukraine has always been able to blackmail Russia because of Europe.

To avoid Ukraine, Russia has been building the South Stream pipe line. Bulgaria who has the most to gain from it, has rejected calls to stop the project. There are over five hundred business' which will be affected, and the Bulgarian people are in desperate need of the money it will provide. It is a very poor country. So now our oh so humane Mod Edit ~ Rules 7 and 3 is bullying Bulgaria with sanctions if it continues building the pipeline. Something similar was done to Greece two years ago. Russia had offered to buy some gas terminal at a price which was over twice the amount of the other highest bidder and they were forced to reject it simply because it was Russia.

 

Didn't Kerry say that Kosovo earned its independence since people died there, but Crimea didn't. Well Kerry, people have now died in Donestk and Lusantsk, and plenty of them, so where's your support? Oh that's right, they're not people they're terrorists.

 

So Chechnya has earned its independence from Russia ten times over?

 

[video=youtube;CP1JDkW8pCs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP1JDkW8pCs#t=38[/video]

 

Poroshenko is a part of junta anyway. He served under Yushchenko and he was always a staunch nationalist. Now, the game will accelerate in and around Ukraine. If he would not want to find and catch the criminals from the right sector, the blood is on him. Ukrainians are not going to be happy under his presidency, the same problems remain and may turn even worse.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see the (*)(*)(*)(*) hit the fan in West Ukraine once the people realize Poroshenko has committed them to Greek-style austerity by accepting the IMF terms. There's a reason signing the financial measure was put off until after the election, ya know.

Honestly, to look at the Russian and IMF offers side by side, it's apparent the Russian offer was the better deal. When Yanukovych declined the EU offer, the protests were egged on by some of those now in power, notably Yats, the PM.


This was never about the Ukrainian people. It was about a few greedy bastards selling their country down the river for power and profits.

The Ukrainians will see this clearly soon enough. We might just see 'democracy in action' again.

 

Poland, Lithuania and the Ukraine do not have a right wing sector with really blood on its hands. When will you finally get that you simply repeat the invented feary tales of the fascist junta in Moscow?

Poland and Lithuaina are very well respected democracies. Russia should finnaly get that nobody wants to join them, nobody likes them, everybody feels discusted about Putin.

I mean who wants to join a coalition with a mafia fascist country like Russia???

Ukraine will go in the west. Russia must respect and shut the f...up. Hope Ukraine will join NATO soon and hope to see NATO troops soon in Donbass to protect Ukraine against the evil new USSR.

Russia is losing, we win. The civilized world will triumph. If you remove the russian goverment and if they are al punished as what they are, stalinists nazis, Russia can be forgiven.

I do very much like that word:

SURRENDER. Pro russian scum will SURRENDER. Yeah!

 

Yes, this is about a "few greedy bastards", but the bastards are big, such as EU and NATO. Life of bureaucracies is boring, some are seeking for an a new exciting game, but the game leads to wars and bloodletting. They invested in neo Nazi style nationalists. Things will turn to a worse before any improvements come. A major unrest in Ukraine is still ahead.

 

It was the same theory at the end of WW 2; the allies made up the rules, particularly when it came to the war crimes trials, charging German and Japanese soldiers/politicians with crimes which in some cases the allies had likewise committed. To the victors of war goes the spoils of the conquered country as does the laws of prosecution as well.

 

Yeah, except for Putin and (possibly) Hollande, the D-Day commemoration was a greedy bastard convention. They're smiling now after bringing the greedy bastards in Ukraine to power, but it's not over yet.

Blowback is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

"Chocolate King" Poroshenko is going to stir up a hornets' nest between Kiev and Eastern and Southern Ukraine. The more death and carnage his goon-squads inflict on the ethnic Russians, the worse it's going to get, until, finally, he gets a full-blown civil war going. This is where things become very interesting.

If the international central banker cartels have managed to "confer" NATO membership on Kiev before this civil war breaks out, then as insane as it seems, Russia may be forced to invade Eastern Ukraine and dare NATO to do anything about it!

However, if the bankers decide it's too risky and dangerous to provoke Russia by making Ukraine part of NATO, then the chess game stays on a Ukrainian chessboard, where fire and blood will be everywhere. I don't know anything about "Chocky" Poroshenko except that he's a billionaire, but we do know quite a bit more about Vladimir Putin. In a battle of wits between those two, or one with Putin against any other national leader in the world, I'll take Putin every time....
"Hey, Chocky, it's MY Black Sea Naval Fleet, and don't you forget it!"

 

And the Mod Edit ~ Rules 7 and 3 supported the Chechnyans as it did the Albanian KLA terrorists in Kosovo, so where is the support now for the freedom fighters in New Russia, or is our support dependent on who is being hurt by it? Is Putin right then, when he said it's nice that Obama knows there is such a thing as international law, since legality and illegality seems to means nothing to him? :

 

Putin has a much larger organization behind him, so there is no way Chocky is going to win. He is going to lose big time, but I somehow think he knows that, and simply wants to inflict harm on the Russian people to please his base, I mean you can't put anything past them, look what they did in Odessa?

I did read that Porochenko did not make his fortune selling chocolate, but was a big time gangster. ..as are the other Washington supported oligarchs. Wouldn't it be nice if Ukraine had someone like Putin to clean up the country, but the maidan people are too dumb to realize it.

Anyway I picked up from a blog that Porochenko's speech was a declaration of war. Here are some of the points:

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Poroshenko's inauguration speech has sent a message to Novorossiia and Russia:


•No federalization
•No state status for the Russian language
•No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
•Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
•Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine.
He could not have been any clearer: that is basically a declaration of war and an ultimatum. This is also a full endorsement of the "Banderastan project".

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/06/poroshenkos-message-to-novorossiia-and.html

 

If Russia would become involved in Ukraine militarily, Russians will have one certain advantage - support of local population. The reasons are many, cultural, language, historical and economical and, finally, people will be embittered by the bloodshed Poroshenko mindlessly spills. Vengeance will be severe.

 

everyone who lays down their arms should be given immunity.

everyone who continues to fight should be arrested or killed.

 

I agree. It looks like it is not going to end lightly. All points you listed above are not acceptable to Russians and Ukrainians. It looks like a foreign aggression in Ukraine. Of course, Poroshenko will stay in line with his neo Nazi ideologists and comrades. Essentially, he is the same sort of man. He only lied to gain some edge over Timoshenko during elections. I hope people see through his lies.

 

"everyone who continues to fight should be arrested or killed."

Jawohl! Es spricht der Führer!

Spoken as though it came from the Nazi allies in the Ukrainian Galacia Division.... If Poroshenko persists with this line of "compassionate reasoning" he's going to have the Russian Bear cooling its tank treads on the banks of the Dnieper River before the end of this year....

 

yes, terrorists should be arrested or killed.

you got a problem with that?

 

I'm wondering if Poroshenko is being geared on by Washington to provoke Russia to invade for some kind of public relation advantage. Eastern Ukraine might be destroyed completely, because it seems to come down to: 'If we can't have your mineral and industrial wealth subsidizing all of Ukraine, then you and Russia can't have it either.' Basically Kiev is performing a scorched earth policy on their own people. From what I read months ago, the Russian industrialists have prepared themselves for that, and moved many of their industries further into Russia.

The mothers and children have moved out of the areas being bombed and into Russia. This leaves only the freedom fighters and the volunteers from Russia and Chechnya in the areas fighting Kiev. Somehow I felt right from the beginning that Ukraine would be turned into a second Syria. In other words you either side with the U.S., E.U. and Nato, or we'll turn you into a no man's land. Aren't we the lovely ones? So what else is knew?

 

Jeannette, the following tidbit indicates that Russia has seen something like this coming for some time.

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LINK: http://www.globalresearch.ca/history-is-repeating-itself-russia-stands-against-fascism-again/5372908

Leonid Ivashov, a former Russian and Soviet military commander, told the Russian media in February 2012 that the US war preparations being made against Syria and Iran were steps in a roadmap that ultimately aimed to weaken and attack Russia. He also mentioned that Russia was defending the world and fighting the forces of fascism by defending the Syrians from an attack by the US and its NATO and Arab petro-sheikhdom puppets and allies.

 

They cannot destroy entire southeastern Ukraine. Do you expect more active resistance in Odessa and other cities? Do they get any news about Slavyansk? After what had already happened, it would be hard to govern the country. Of course, using aviation, tanks and artillery against poorly armed amateurs may end any armed resistance soon. Russian capitalists are not inclined to fight over Slavyansk and other cities, but what they would do next? Putin has some economical tools, like gas and business relations with France and Germany, but this is exactly what he is not prepared to loose.

 

I recall a Russian General saying that Russia was fighting for its survival in Syria so I knew how the Russians felt about the war. Later on I read that Russia is dependent on the Shia crescent that protects their oil pipelines from the Sunni terrorists from Saudi Arabia. Now we are not stupid, we must know that. The only intent I can see is to hurt Russia. This is why I am so adamantly against our foreign policy. Russia is not the aggressor in any of this, we are the aggressors. They are merely protecting themselves from our actions.

There was a time when we would have tried to stop the fighting and killing in Syria, and now in Ukraine, but we have lost all sense of right and wrong, so instead of wanting peace we are now encouraging people to fight and kill. Moscow I know looks askance at us, and how we will side and protect murderers and criminals, and yet have no concern for the innocents who suffer because of them.

This is what our Western civilization has become, and this is what we and Europe want to preserve. Pity us!