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    This Southern Republican defies GOP in coming out for the Medicaid Expansion to Obamacare



    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...g-out-for-the-Medicaid-Expansion-to-Obamacare



    “I am a Republican. I am standing amongst a bunch of Democrats,” Mayor O’Neal said. “No party is right all of the time. We all make mistakes.” The mayor went on to say that he was proud to team up with Rev. Barber and other Democrats to change course. He wants Republicans in North Carolina to take the Medicaid Expansion to Obamacare.

    “The path the legislators are on right now has already caused stress on our hospitals; and especially rural hospitals,” Mayor O’Neal said. “Our rural hospitals could hardly survive in the past due to the reimbursement for indigent care. Without Medicaid Expansion the reimbursements are falling and hospitals like the one in my hometown are on the brink of possibly even closing. ... If you do not have critical access hospitals, people needlessly die. That’s a fact.”

    Mayor O’Neal is correct.






    Expand Obamacare and save lives!!!! :flagus:
     
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    Expanding Medicaid is only a good idea if Medicaid reimburses Providers and ancillary service providers fairly. By fairly I mean at least 80% of what they bill for their services. As independent businesses they are free to bill an amount equal to their cost but an additional amount for their experience. Yes, free to bill what "they" feel is commensurate to their costs, education and experience. Just as Lawyers, Accountants, Plumbers, Electricians, Arcitects, and other professionals are free to do. Get it!. You can't control the fee for services charged by private businesses who are not subsidized by the Federal or State Governments. Otherwise, lets start setting the income for all businesses!.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...g-out-for-the-Medicaid-Expansion-to-Obamacare



    “I am a Republican. I am standing amongst a bunch of Democrats,” Mayor O’Neal said. “No party is right all of the time. We all make mistakes.” The mayor went on to say that he was proud to team up with Rev. Barber and other Democrats to change course. He wants Republicans in North Carolina to take the Medicaid Expansion to Obamacare.

    “The path the legislators are on right now has already caused stress on our hospitals; and especially rural hospitals,” Mayor O’Neal said. “Our rural hospitals could hardly survive in the past due to the reimbursement for indigent care. Without Medicaid Expansion the reimbursements are falling and hospitals like the one in my hometown are on the brink of possibly even closing. ... If you do not have critical access hospitals, people needlessly die. That’s a fact.”

    Mayor O’Neal is correct.






    Expand Obamacare and save lives!!!! :flagus:[/QUOTE]

    Expanding Medicaid is only a good idea if Medicaid reimburses Providers and ancillary service providers fairly. By fairly I mean at least 80% of what they bill for their services. As independent businesses they are free to bill an amount equal to their cost but an additional amount for their experience. Yes, free to bill what "they" feel is commensurate to their costs, education and experience. Just as Lawyers, Accountants, Plumbers, Electricians, Arcitects, and other professionals are free to do. Get it!. You can't control the fee for services charged by private businesses who are not subsidized by the Federal or State Governments. Otherwise, lets start setting the income for all businesses!.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...g-out-for-the-Medicaid-Expansion-to-Obamacare



    “I am a Republican. I am standing amongst a bunch of Democrats,” Mayor O’Neal said. “No party is right all of the time. We all make mistakes.” The mayor went on to say that he was proud to team up with Rev. Barber and other Democrats to change course. He wants Republicans in North Carolina to take the Medicaid Expansion to Obamacare.

    “The path the legislators are on right now has already caused stress on our hospitals; and especially rural hospitals,” Mayor O’Neal said. “Our rural hospitals could hardly survive in the past due to the reimbursement for indigent care. Without Medicaid Expansion the reimbursements are falling and hospitals like the one in my hometown are on the brink of possibly even closing. ... If you do not have critical access hospitals, people needlessly die. That’s a fact.”

    Mayor O’Neal is correct.






    Expand Obamacare and save lives!!!! :flagus:[/QUOTE]
     
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    Bull. Expanding Medicare without paying/reimbursing health care providers fairly is going to do nothing. Already a large majority of Doctors and Hospitals are refusing to increase their Medicaid Patient base because they are basically treating them for free or losing money by treating them.

    What is it with you liberals that you don't understand that Private practice is a business as is hospital care? While many doctors/surgeons/hospitals treat patients without insurance or Medicaid/Medicare patients whose coverage will not pay for their life saving care, for free; they can only do this a minimal number of times and still remain in business.

    They don't work nor are they paid by the Federal or State Governments and until they are, they can charge what they believe is fair.

    Don't hear any of you liberals complaining about attorney fees, account fees, plumber or electrician fees. My husband is a surgeon and working 12 hour days, see double the amount of patients, paying higher operating costs and making 50% less than he was in 1993. Most of you have no knowledge of the subject and that bothers me. Why don't you listen to those that are in the know?
     
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    Contrary to the lies from the delusional far right, ACA coverage is expanding into pro death red states:



    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...s-Hello-Mr-President-and-Goodbye-Mr-McConnell



    the ACA has cut Kentucky's uninsured rate by at least 50% since last October. This is significant news, but I also posted similar items about impressive uninsured rate drops in New Jersey (38%), Minnesota (40%) and especially Massachusetts (a good 86% or so, down to nearly zilch). All four posts received various levels of retweets on Twitter. However, the Kentucky one in particular apparently caught the eye of one David Simas, aka the "Assistant to the President and Deputy Senior Advisor for Communications and Strategy."

    Truly amazing ACA news. Kentucky cuts uninsured rate in half!!






    This is happening all over the USA as lives and money are being saved thanks to ACA.


    Patriots rejoice! :flagus:
     
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    Expanding Medicaid is only a good idea if Medicaid reimburses Providers and ancillary service providers fairly. By fairly I mean at least 80% of what they bill for their services. As independent businesses they are free to bill an amount equal to their cost but an additional amount for their experience. Yes, free to bill what "they" feel is commensurate to their costs, education and experience. Just as Lawyers, Accountants, Plumbers, Electricians, Arcitects, and other professionals are free to do. Get it!. You can't control the fee for services charged by private businesses who are not subsidized by the Federal or State Governments. Otherwise, lets start setting the income for all businesses!.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...g-out-for-the-Medicaid-Expansion-to-Obamacare



    “I am a Republican. I am standing amongst a bunch of Democrats,” Mayor O’Neal said. “No party is right all of the time. We all make mistakes.” The mayor went on to say that he was proud to team up with Rev. Barber and other Democrats to change course. He wants Republicans in North Carolina to take the Medicaid Expansion to Obamacare.

    “The path the legislators are on right now has already caused stress on our hospitals; and especially rural hospitals,” Mayor O’Neal said. “Our rural hospitals could hardly survive in the past due to the reimbursement for indigent care. Without Medicaid Expansion the reimbursements are falling and hospitals like the one in my hometown are on the brink of possibly even closing. ... If you do not have critical access hospitals, people needlessly die. That’s a fact.”

    Mayor O’Neal is correct.






    Expand Obamacare and save lives!!!! :flagus:[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    The problem is they have no choice if they are attending at a hospital which most specialists do, when I went in with a dangerous infection the vascular surgeon HAD TO treat me and the hospital had to provide care and find suitable after care and with no Medicaid or means to pay they got NOTHING. I bet Medicaid as poor paying as you say beats NOTHING for their work. And why give them a choice all the government has to say is if you hold a medical license you must take say 10% of your patient load as Medicaid patients or you can't practice at all consider it a part of your community service obligations of your profession. Another option would be to practice medicine you must do 20 hours of free care a month in your specialty to an assigned person. Both would work.
     
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    ACA may not be perfect but it sure as hell beats not having any coverage as we did under the Republican death panel system.



    Medicare cost growth still very, very low


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/12/1306559/-Medicare-cost-growth-still-very-very-nbsp-low



    While healthcare costs overall have increased—as expected with all the new patients thanks to Obamacare—in the last few quarters, Medicare spending growth is really, really slow. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget finds that Medicare growth in the first eight months of this fiscal year has been just 0.3 percent. Some of that can be accounted for by federal policies, "the Medicare sequester [which wasn't in effect for part of FY 2013], payment reductions in the Affordable Care Act for home health agencies and Medicare Advantage plans, ramped-up hospital readmission penalties, and frozen means-tested Medicare premium income thresholds." Even without those factors, though, costs are being held down.




    Lower costs, more coverage.
     
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    Sorry but I don't believe there was or will ever be a "death panel system" as long as we have private hospitals and providers".

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3 Too many hospitals, surgeons and physicians treat patients without insurance in order to save their lives or limbs. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

    Medicare cost growth still very, very low


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/12/1306559/-Medicare-cost-growth-still-very-very-nbsp-low



    While healthcare costs overall have increased—as expected with all the new patients thanks to Obamacare—in the last few quarters, Medicare spending growth is really, really slow. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget finds that Medicare growth in the first eight months of this fiscal year has been just 0.3 percent. Some of that can be accounted for by federal policies, "the Medicare sequester [which wasn't in effect for part of FY 2013], payment reductions in the Affordable Care Act for home health agencies and Medicare Advantage plans, ramped-up hospital readmission penalties, and frozen means-tested Medicare premium income thresholds." Even without those factors, though, costs are being held down.

    - - - Updated - - -

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
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    You are entitled to your illusions.

    But the facts remain incontrovertible as shown in the links I have provided.

    The patriotic ACA is saving money and lives every day:




    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/20/o...contentCollection=Opinion&pgtype=article&_r=0




    Americans are finding very affordable health insurance and a wide choice of plans on the exchanges operated by the federal government, according to a report issued Wednesday by the Department of Health and Human Services. The report was based on data from the 36 states in which the federal government is operating health insurance exchanges this year. Comparable data from states operating their own exchanges is not yet available.

    Under the Affordable Care Act, people who buy their own policies are eligible for tax credit subsidies to reduce their premiums if they earn less than four times the federal poverty level, which is currently about $46,000 for an individual or $95,000 for a family of four.





    more ....
     
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    Why Health Care Spending Is Falling Even As The Number Of Insured Americans Is Rising


    http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...as-the-number-of-insured-americans-is-rising/



    Two-thirds of the downward revision “reflected a decline in health care spending,” a somewhat surprising drop given the expansion of coverage under the Affordable Care Act. Health-related spending fell by $6.4 billion instead of rising by $39.9 billion as previously estimated.

    How can health care spending be falling, even as the uninsured rate is dropping?

    The first quarter presents data from January through March, the very early months of coverage under the health care law. The real surge in enrollment didn’t occur until March, or the very end of that month during the final days of open enrollment. At that point, nearly 3.8 million people selected a plan through the exchanges, including 1.2 million young people. The rush represented “an 89 percent increase in the cumulative number of individuals” who enrolled in a health care plan through the exchange between March 1 and April 19.






    ... more TRUTH to follow ...
     
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    85 percent of ObamaCare ‘inconsistencies’ can’t be fixed
     
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    NY Post = Rupert Murdoch newspaper.

    Biased right wing source, not a word of truth in it. Notice how not one of the sources indicated in that phony article is specifically identified.
     
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    Maybe they hacked the phones and got their numbers screwed up and reported what they hacked without verifying it?
     
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    more likely Murdoch's writers made up the story
     
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    Only way spending is falling is by decreasing the amount of reimbursements to providers, period. That won't last long as it will drive providers out of business or force them to stop accepting medicare and Medicaid and insurance that pays substandard reimbursements. The cost of providing health care services is not falling and therefore the cost of doing business is increasing.

    When it becomes unprofitable to remaining in business single practice physicians, clinics and hospitals will be forced to close or operate by requiring payment upfront or offer patients payment plans as Dentist and Vets currently do. Dental fees are unregulated and it is unfair to regulated physician and surgeon fees.

    Funny how people are unwilling to pay a fair price for life saving care physicians and surgeons provide but are willing to pay the high hourly fees charged by lawyers. Thousands for surgery on their pets and thousands to dentists even if they have dental insurance which usually pays very little.
     
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    Ohh boo hoo hoo for all those doctors who will not accept Medicaid and will have to retire to the Bahamas because their group practice is losing money. Well, maybe if their doctor group did not spend $50Million on that new building and buy those MRI and PET scan machines that are used twice a week because their is a zillion of them in the neighbourhood already but still need to be paid for they might have been able to make some money but with this new regime of insurers not just paying them whatever they want to charge but saying they will pay only so much for routine procedures it looks like they made some bad investment decisions.

    What is a fair price?
    In economics a fair price is generally considered to be the price that is arrived at in an open and free market with a high number of participants on both sides of any possible transaction where the prices for all completed transactions are instantly publicized.
    Does that accurately describe how prices for health care in the US are arrived at?
    Is health care in the US fairly priced?

    Funny how people are becoming unwilling to pay for totally unfair pricing for their health care. Dentists and Veterinarian fees are fair because they compete on an open market where prices can be discovered by consumers. Doctors and surgeons fees are also unregulated but, because it is impossible for consumers to discover them they are inherently not fair.

    The reality of health care in the US is that providers have been blithely fleecing the public of $Trillions for decades just because they could and sooner than later they will be called to account for this less than exemplary behaviour because it is driving the entire economy into a ditch. If their salaries are reduced and the number of administrators cut by half and the $Billions on unnecessary capital spending halted so be it.
    The US spends twice as much as any other developed nation on health care and provides a far lower level of care for far more of its population. The US economy is being held hostage by a health care mafia whose only concern is making as much money as possible from sick people.
     
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    Health Costs Resume Their Rise http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2014/05/05/health-costs-resume-their-rise/

    Guess it depends on who you believe. But, since I am in the business I know costs are rising and that patients are paying much more out of pocket.

    Stop blaming those that are providing the care and paying higher costs each year to do so.

    One problem is that even though more have insurance, their deductibles are high and they can't afford to pay the out of pocket costs. And those that are fairly healthy never meet their deductible. So they have insurance but it never helps them pay for treatment due to not meeting the deductible. Unfortunately, people are paying higher premiums for coverage they will never need such as maternity care, newborn care, pediatric dental, etc.

    What part don't you get? The subsidies should cover anyone that wants to purchase a plan through the exchange even if they might qualify for Medicaid. Medicaid is a sub-standard plan and people shouldn't be forced to apply for it, they should have a choice.
     
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    My "guess" is that it fell because with high deductibles people still couldn't pay for health care(out of pocket). You need to understand how the deductible will be applied as some deductibles are per Policy, some are per insured and some are per occurrence.

    Also, it is my first hand knowledge that during the first quarter of 2014 many patients found themselves being turned away at area hospitals where they were scheduled for surgery because at the last minute the insurance company advised the hospital was out of network or the patient was required to pay more up front out of pocket than they anticipated; all due to insurance company customer service not understanding the policies and changes. This is real.

    This would have an impact on less spending. But, then other independent and Government Agency reports and studies show that spending increased more in one year than any of the past 30 years.

    To discover the truth, we first need to know what the government is including in their definition of health care spending. And, we need to understand that health care spending is different than health care costs or the cost of providing the care to a patient(on avg. and per specialty and type of provider).

    And then one must know "who's health care spending", the Federal governments or the insureds/patients. Big difference.
     
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    Well how come providers in FLORIDA are fighting so hard to get Medicaid and not just hospitals to get the money from the Medicaid Expansion down here hospitals are bleeding money that the expansion would largely eliminate.
     
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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...es-in-New-York-were-previously-nbsp-uninsured



    ''One of the more lame answers Republicans had to Obamacare's 8 million enrollees was along the lines of, "Well, yeah, but they probably already had insurance so this didn't make any difference, anyway." That's already been disproved, with the latest Kaiser survey finding that six in 10 of the new enrollees didn't have insurance. That finding just got a big ol' exclamation point from New York state, which reports some very good news.
    The report […] shows that more than 80% of the 960,762 people who signed up for coverage through New York’s health care exchange did not have insurance at the time they enrolled. More than half of the enrollees—52%—came from New York City.
    And guess what? More than a third of them are those young invincibles, the ones Republicans worked so hard to try to get to boycott getting health insurance. Thirty-four percent of New York's new insurance holders are under 35.
    What else you got, Republicans? Anyone?''
     
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    If it is so great, then feel free to pay more to the IRS in April to help the previously uninsured. Common, don't be so greedy.
     
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    Productivity is going up as people return to work. In fact, requests for unemployment insurance has gone down.

    Therefore, you are now paying LESS in taxes.


    Want to reduce the tax bill even more? Put an end to all tax shelters that benefit the wealthy.
     
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    Um no. I paid 12% more this year and only got an increase in 1.5%. Then my medicare line item when up $150 dollars a month in January. For one lady I work with who is a single mom barley making ends meet her Medicare line item went up $60. For her it means going with out a pair of shoes for her or the kids.
     
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    Go to Facebook where you will find tens of thousands of folks who say the precise opposite.
     
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    We pay for them one way or another and having them on insurance is cheaper than making them go to the emergency room.
     
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