5 Reasons Hillary Won't Run

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Which of course would be good for the country. Bad for the Dems as they have no stable of possible candidates.


    5 Reasons Hillary Won't Run
    By Tom Bevan - June 17, 2014

    Hillary Clinton's minions are hard at work assembling a political machine and fine tuning it for another go at the White House. Mrs. Clinton is doing her part preparing for a run as well, churning out a bland memoir about the "hard choices" she faced as secretary of state and coyly positioning herself (again) as the inevitable nominee of the party. But after the troubled beginning to her book tour, we're beginning to see the reasons why Hillary may eventually decide to pull the plug on a 2016 presidential run. Here are five:

    1) She's just not that good at campaigning. If the last two gaffe-prone weeks have reminded us of anything about Hillary, it’s that she’s a mediocre politician at best. Her shortcomings are significant: she can be stiff and wooden in public; she lacks the aura of a natural politician; she’s not a great public speaker, and she can come across as politically flat-footed and tone deaf -- as she did with her “dead broke” response to a rather benign question about relating to the financial challenges of the average voter. People still seem to believe that the Clinton name is synonymous with political skill, but that assumption is only half-true: If Hillary possessed even half of Bill’s political talent and acumen, she wouldn’t have lost to Barack Obama in 2008.

    2) The “fire in the belly”question. Certainly, Mrs. Clinton shares her husband’s seemingly limitless ambition. It’s been the driving force behind their existence as individuals and as a couple for more than four decades. But I’m with Mike McCurry on this one: Hillary Rodham Clinton is going to be 67 years old on October 26. Does she really want to spend her golden years working 16 hours a day shaking hands at high school gyms in Dubuque, Iowa, and rubbing elbows at diners in Manchester, New Hampshire? Especially when she can burnish her legacy with meaningful work through the Clinton Global Foundation -- while making millions a year at $200,000 a pop for 45-minute speeches -- and spend time with her soon-to-be born grandchild.

    3) It ain’t gonna be a coronation. HRC must have been taken aback last week when two members of the traveling sisterhood – Diane Sawyer of ABC News and Terry Gross of NPR – actually pressed her with uncomfortable questions about Benghazi and gay marriage, respectively. Hillary didn’t respond well in either situation, and the ensuing coverage was instructive. If she can’t count on favorable press coverage during the choreographed rollout of a self-reverential memoir, what does that tell us about how she’d do in debates against a determined opponent? And does Clinton really want to face the scrutiny, not to mention the slings and arrows, that come with any campaign?

    4) Obama is leaving a mess. President Obama’s second term is complicating matters significantly for Hillary. His foreign policy, which Clinton helped direct for four years – is adrift. The situation has unraveled dangerously in Syria and now Iraq. The infamous “reset” with Russia is a joke. Obama’s job approval rating is on the slide, and not only on foreign policy. He’s struggling to stay relevant in Washington or to move any sort of domestic agenda forward, which will be made even more difficult if Republicans take the Senate in November. It’s hard to see how any of these dynamics change for the better in the next two years -- and they may get worse. Hillary will not want to be seen as running for Obama’s third term, yet she won’t be able to distance herself too far from his record. That will be a tough needle to thread politically (see point #1).

    5) The country wants real change. America was mesmerized by Obama’s call for change in 2008. It was one of the narratives that propelled him over Hillary in the first place. Eight years later, Obama has failed to deliver much of what he promised on uniting the country and changing business as usual in Washington. As a result an even stronger populist, anti-establishment, anti-incumbent fervor is coursing through the electorate. That does not bode well for Hillary Clinton, who embodies the elite establishment -- and the past. If the famed Clinton political acumen still exists in that family, Hillary will figure this out and take a pass on 2016.

    Tom Bevan is the co-founder and Executive Editor of RealClearPolitics and the co-author of Election 2012: A Time for Choosing. Email: tom@realclearpolitics.com, Twitter: [MENTION=56]Tom[/MENTION]BevanRCP
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    We aren't going to get any real change. Then President we get will just erode out constitution even more and there'll be some more scandals so on and so forth.
     
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    I'm starting to think that people in American politics worry about the wrong people.

    The left hates Chris Christie because they feel threatened by a moderate Republican, but the reality is that Christie was never a shoe-in with the Republican base.

    The right hates Hillary because they feel threatened by a moderate Democrat, but the reality is that Hillary is close to as bad a campaigner as exists.
     
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    As long as she has her choice between Captain Peachfuzz , Genghis Khan II and Everett McKinley as Republicans to run against I think she'll do alright.

    That's always brought up when a woman runs for anything. Hillary was Bill's Theodora at several points in the 90's and, I think, kept him from resigning when he was impeached.

    Hillary's to the point where she ignores conservative attacks, and so do most people, even other conservatives.

    All Presidents leave a mess. Obama's is bigger because we should have elected Hillary first

    This last is the real kicker, The country wants something different, Do you really think they want to return to Bush II Thousand and the Conservative Follies? Maybe we can have Boko Haram take down the Sears Tower and then we can invade Mali because they're the closest nation that had nothing to do with it.
     
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    Mrs Clinton is weak about Iraq.

    Just in the thread regarding "Bush legacy" in Iraq, I remembered the position of Senator Clinton [who voted in favor of Iraq Resolution, the Resolution allowing President Bush to take action, also military action, against Saddam].

    I quote also here her words:

    And about the notorious matter of the MDW

    Link to CNN article: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
     
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    Thread: 5 Reasons Hillary Won't Run

    She is already running....obviously. She just hasn't said it for the record.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    She had been expected to be a shoe-in in 2008 and a relatively unknown with not record beat her handily.

    So far it has been a coronation, that is changing and she has scandal to deal with. She doesn't like being questioned and has thin skin not only does she really want to go through the campaign does she want to go for 8 years as President at this stage.

    She doesn't ignore them they rile her and now it's the liberal media that is starting to ask hard questions which she DOES NOT like.

    All Presidents leave a mess. Obama's is bigger because we should have elected Hillary first

    And do they want more Obama/Clinton or just more Clinton. Have no idea what your last sentence is supposed to mean. You think we invaded Iraq because of a belief it had something to do with the WTC attack?
     
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    The country does NOT want real change - at least not the change that the Republicans are offering.
    The country does NOT want to go back to the 50's - except for the ONLY group of people that the Republicans attract - old white males.
    The country didn't want what the Republicans were offering in '08 or '12 - and they won't want what the Republicans are offering in '16 either - until they get rid of the Tea Party and the Evangelical influences.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    What does it want that the Democrats are offering and providing?

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    You are correct it's not a matter of will she run but a matter of will she not run.
     
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    The only thing either of the two corporate/corrupt parties are offering, the lesser of the two evils, based on what they consider evil.


    If she isn't she isn't doing a very good job of it.
     
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    Doesn't this come off as more of a "OH PLEASE GOD, DON'T LET HER RUN. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON OUR SIDE WHO CAN BEAT HER!!!!!" article?

    I mean if the Right weren't scared to death of Hillary Clinton running in 2016....they'd wouldn't be trying to dream up desperate scenarios where she didn't run.
     
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    It is true we don't have anyone to compete with Hillary...I think much of the panic is the result of subconsciously accepting another Dem in the Whitehouse.
     
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    Another reason: She will have to defend every one of Hussein Obama's failed policies.
     
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    5) She's looking for a real challenge.

    4) She already served two terms.

    3) It may interfere with her first love, personally designing security protocol for all overseas facilities.

    4) Vince Foster's damned ghost in the White House.

    5) She can keep the TPs weeing their frillies until '20.
     
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    Bossy knows the equation if she runs in 2016:

    Bossy = Hussein Obama
     
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    Hillary is possessed by a deep seated god complex. She believes that she was born to save humanity from itself. She has inherited everything in her life due to a privelaged upbringing. She is dishonest and devoid of a moral core of principles. She's as narcissistic as Obama.

    Like Rome in its terminal phase our politicians are psychologically corrupt beyond all reality. Collapse is imminent.
     
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    No, the Republicans have a pretty big stable of possible candidates. It's the Democrats who are in a position of OH PLEASE GOD DON'T LET HER SCREW UP WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE WHO CAN BEAT THE REPUBLICANS!!!
     
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    If only this rang true....our "Stable" is full of Jackasses. We are pretty much giving Hillary the Whitehouse, and our country will never be the same.
     
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    It will be difficult for her to run if this is true...

    BOOK: HILLARY HAS BAD HEART

    *Exclusive**

    A new provocative work by bestselling author Ed Klein claims Hillary Clinton's health problems are much more severe than she has publicly revealed!

    "She had managed to keep her medical history secret out of fear that, should it become public, it would disqualify her from becoming president," writes Klein in BLOOD FEUD.

    BLOOD FEUD hits the street this week [it ranked #89 on AMAZON Sunday afternoon.]

    Page 193

    The true story of what happened to Hillary, which is being recounted in these pages for the first time, was radically different from Reines’s version.

    To begin with, Hillary fainted while she was working in her seventh-floor office at the State Department, not at home, as Reines told the media. She was treated at the State Department’s infirmary and then, at her own insistence, taken to Whitehaven to recover. However, as soon as Bill appeared on the scene and was able to assess Hillary’s condition for himself, he ordered that she be immediately flown to New York–Presbyterian Hospital in the Fort Washington section of Manhattan. When Reines subsequently released a statement confirming that Hillary was being treated at the hospital over the New Year’s holiday, it naturally intensified speculation about the seriousness of her medical condition.

    While she was at the hospital, doctors diagnosed Hillary with several problems.

    She had a right transverse venous thrombosis, or a blood clot between her brain and skull. She had developed the clot in one of the veins that drains blood from the brain to the heart. The doctors explained that blood stagnates when you spend a lot of time on airplanes, and Hillary had clocked countless hours flying around the world.

    To make matters worse, it turned out that Hillary had an intrinsic tendency to form clots and faint. In addition to the fainting spell she suffered in Buffalo a few years before, she had fainted boarding her plane in Yemen, fallen and fractured her elbow in 2009, and suffered other unspecified fainting episodes. Several years earlier, she had developed a clot in her leg and was put on anticoagulant therapy by her doctor. However, she had foolishly stopped taking her anticoagulant medicine, which might have explained the most recent thrombotic event.

    “The unique thing about clotting in the brain is that it could have transformed into a stroke,” said a cardiac specialist with knowledge of Hillary’s condition.

    Page 195

    According to a source close to Hillary, a thorough medical examination revealed that Hillary’s tendency to form clots was the least of her problems. She also suffered from a thyroid condition, which was common among women of her age, and her fainting spells indicated there was an underlying heart problem as well. A cardiac stress test indicated that her heart rhythm and heart valves were not normal. Put into layman’s language, her heart valves were not pumping in a steady way.

    When the author attempted to contact the Clintons’ cardiologist, Dr. Allan Schwartz, he refused to comment, which made it impossible to determine the exact nature of Hillary’s medical status or its long-term significance. However, sources who dis- cussed Hillary’s medical condition with her were told that Hillary’s doctors considered performing valve-replacement surgery. They ultimately decided against it. Still, before they released Hillary from the hospital, they warned Bill Clinton: “She has to be carefully monitored for the rest of her life.”

    Developing...





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    Tough to run with a bad ticker.
     
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    Hillary is already running, but she has a lot of baggage.

    1 - Her health is not very good. Her "fall" and "concusion seems to have been a stroke/heart problem. She is on blood thinners for the rest of her life, and maybe other medication.

    2 - Her little episode of getting a rapist off at the expense of the 12 year old victim - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...leged-rapist-hell-ark-woman-article-1.1838777

    3 - Her hypocrisy is obvious to all - even progs. Her pouty claim in her book of being poor and destitute has hugely backfired. Her using loopholes to avoid taxes since Bill left the White House makes it hard to claim she is "one of the people".

    4 - Miraculously turning $1,000 into $100,000 in one year trading cattle futures.

    5 - Her failure at Sec of State including the childish "reset" (or was it "oversharge") button, and the disaster that is the Arab Spring.

    6 - And we can't forget her famous story about landing in Bosnia "under sniper fire" in 1996. Total liar.

    Any competent person should be able to destroy Hillary. But then again she is up against Republicans.

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    None of those previous scandals will matter. Not even her war on women with the rapist. The media just will not cover them. Everything will be "old news." The only thing that might make the press hesitate are the health issues.
     
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    You're right. Old news matters only when it's something like a Republican cutting someone's hair when they were in college.
     
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    Just like in any stable there are some but then there are not, the Dems are stuck with just one viable candidate at this point.
     
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    Whish would be one(1) more than we have. Instead of hyping our own....we try to tear down theirs...rather pathetic and desperate strategy.

    To be honest....we deserve it and probably need it to return to power and fix the mess this country has become.

    This Tea Party mindset has made the "Grand Ol' Party" a freakin' joke, and must be ejected.
     

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