[video=youtube;86FdnMIcS1A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86FdnMIcS1A[/video] Nowadays the Southern cities in Israel lives in constant fear and hear alarms on and off all the time- less then a minute to find safe place. Let me ask this forum: Would you tolarete it? Would you let Millions of cevilions of your country live in constant fear and to wake up at the middle of the night? [video=youtube;DfOn6nUS4zk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfOn6nUS4zk[/video] see this video, and you all see that the leader of Hamas says that before Israel dies, they will humiliate it, and one Arab woman says that if she would get the chance to kill all the Jews in one shot she will do it happilly. And what is the dream of the boy? to kill Jews, and how would he get that idea? simple, from the T.V. in Gaza: [video=youtube;MQBU7lX-1xU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBU7lX-1xU[/video] and last thing, here is what Arabs themselves say about Hamas and what he did in 2007 when he took control in Gaza strip and kill Fatah mambers: [video=youtube;BoH19b1TrZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo[/video] And after all that people still think that Hamas is an humanitarian organization or it is a victim with the rality in Israel and Gaza/West Bank.
thats what happens when you remove a people from their home by use of military force, there will inevitably be resistance as long as they can breath life.
The Israeli government invade, destroy and murder, using their IDF dogs to do the dirty work. You can hardly expect the people they attack to bake them a cake. The argument is simple enough - look at a map of Israel in 1945, oh, there wasn't one.
Do you refer it to Gaza? because Gaza, after the Disengagement that Israel did, is to be controled by Hamas, everything that happened and happening in Gaza is because Hamas. Several days ago Arab fanatics launched rockets thoward Israel and one of the rockets fell inside of Gaza and killed babay girl- why are you not condem that killing? Hamas is doing genocide in Gaza: [video=youtube;4JtWdz3oxHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JtWdz3oxHo[/video] Does Israel to blame here too? [video=youtube;PkBLuTK7IP0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBLuTK7IP0 [/video] You are refering to Gaza right? In Gaza, after the Disengagement , is controling by Hamas, and Israel is not interfering them. BUT if Gaza is under Hamas control it means that every rocket that has been launched thoward Israel is Hamas to blame right? so if the IDF bombing and killing Hamas soppurters it right no? I mean couple of days ago a paint factory in Israel has been bombed and burned to the ground. around 3 Israeli citizens had been burned and needed to rush in an ambulance to the hospital to get treatment, so the bombing after it by the IDF is not right? I mean a country doesnt need to defende their borders? to defende their cevilians? In 1945 the ones that contorled the Land of Israel was Great Britain, if you will look on the map from 1945 you will see that. If the Arabs want to blame someone that occupited them, so they need to blame Great Britain not the Jews. [video=youtube;c5HBeyR_scM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5HBeyR_scM[/video] [video=youtube;TEE56My3dzY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEE56My3dzY[/video] It is in Gaza. Those tunneles is under houses of inoccent people.
Israel..or palestine whichever, the israelis seem to have moved the Arabs out of the area using military force and as such are surprised at retaliation because why?
No, I'm referring to the whole of Israel. Your excuses are all nice but where is that map of Israel in 1945? There isn't one because Israel wasn't there and, its creation displaced and killed thousands of the local Arabs. As I said before, if you invade, displace and murder to form your nation, expect people to be less than friendly towards you. This is the truth that Israel dislikes bringing out into the open - you simply weren't there until after WWII. So, yes, Israel is to blame for everything.
And the tunnels - they exist because Israel cuts off supplies to Gaza in an illegal act of collective punishment.
There is a Map of 1922 and it was called the <Mandate for Palestine>... it included Jordan of today plus Israel of today. The Mandate for Palestine was given to the British at the San Remo conference in 1920 and confirmed by the League of Nations in 1922... Before that, the place was called the <Ottoman Empire> for 400 year. Your so called sardonic humor would have to come to an end by opening a book of history and reading. Your above lamentable display of unusual emotions are not historic. Here is the Map of the Mandate 1917 -1922 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/zeev_zeev/map.jpg http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm San Rmo Clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmMmJ46O-3Q&feature=player_embedded
Very nice, but where is Israel? It wasn't there and, much as you try to deflect, it still wasn't there.
Nice map. Please name any members of any families, that are in Israel at the moment, that can name any family members from the time of that map and can point out the land they owned. I'll bet it's a short list of zero. In fact, whilst we're at it, please show how that morphed into 2014 Israel over the last 2,000 years. I think, until the mass illegal immigration of 1946 and after, Israel was missing.
The preamble of the <Mandate for Palestine> reveals exactly why Israel was <RECONSTITUTED>... Read it here : Dear Readers, and interested researchers, I have reproduced the PREAMBLE and the 28 Articles of the Mandate for Palestine in here for ALL to read. I am sure this will be an eye opener for some, and to all those who still believe that the State of Israel was <created> when in reality it was RECONSTITUTED. LONDON: PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTYS STATIONERY OFFICE The Council of the League of Nations: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph , it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations; Confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows: Article 1. The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate. Article 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. Article 3. The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy. Article 4. An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country. The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majestys Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home. Article 5. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power. Article 6. The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. Article 7. The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine. Article 8. The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine. Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned. Article 9. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights. Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders. Article 10. Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine. Article 11. The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land. The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilized by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration. Article 12. The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits. Article 13. All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed. Article 14. A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council. Article 15. The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief. The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired. Article 16. The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality. Article 17. The Administration of Palestine may organize on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defense of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine. Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine. The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies. Article 18. The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area. Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia. Article 19. The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property. Article 20. The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals. Article 21. The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations. (1) Antiquity means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year A. D. 1700. (2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat. Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery. (3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity. No antiquity may leave the country without an export license from the said Department. (4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed. (5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorized by the competent Department. (6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest. (7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds. ( The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find. Article 22. English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic. Article 23. The Administration of Palestine shall recognize the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities. Article 24. The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report. Article 25. In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18. Article 26. The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. Article 27. The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate. Article 28. In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honor the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities. The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League. Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two. Certified true copy: For the Secretary-General, RAPPARD, Director of the Mandates Section.
Your anti Jewish/Israel fixation is not going to work here... This is the <LAND OF ISRAEL> from the time of the Bible and the Jews have a home to return to , the place was chosen at the San Remo conference. to reconstituted the Land of Israel and a <Mandate> was handed over to Great Britain in this respect... Exactly like the Kurds will <RECONSTITUTE> their own country in the very near future since they were not considered during that time. Sir, when there is a Land and a people speaking the same Language there is also a Country!!! During the time of the British 21 Arab countries were <C R E A T E D> and one Jewish State was <RECONSTITUTED>!! So 21 Arab countries created is OK and one Jewish is not OK. Shows exactly your warped evaluation of the present situation.
So are you saying that Israel kill and murder Arabs? its not true! The Israeli Arabs are part of the Israeli sociaty! there are alot of Arab judges (and even one of them sentenced Israel's former president, Katzav, to go to jail), you have Israeli Arab politicains, Israeli Arabs lawyers atc. Here's the map of The Land of Israel in 1945: And no, "Palestine" is not refering to an Arab state ot something like that! The name of "palestine" have been used after Bar Kochba revolt by Hadrian. BUT if you still there was a "Palestinian state" in history please provide answers to this questions: 1) who was their prime minister? 2) what was their national anthem? 3) what kind of country was it? 4) what was their flag? Israel had formed as a country because several things: * San Remo convention. * Balfour decleration. * the UN eccepted San Remo's resolution, * the UN voted for the existance of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel in 1947, and it been accepted! and more. Jews werent there until after WWII? really? In Mark Twain's book, he reavels that the Land of Israel was godforsaken land, and he only sew a few Arabs in that land and they were Bedouin (=nomads). When Twain came to Jerusalem he sew a majority of Christians and among them there were planty of Jews. It was in 1869. In the Parsian Empire, the Parsian kings after Cyrus allowed the Jews that lived in the Land of Israel to form an independent Jewish rule, that rule have been called: "Yehud Mdinta." The area of the province of Judea (Yehud Mdinta) was about 1,600 square kilometers and there were six Spindles in Yehod Mdinta- Jerusalem, Beit Hakerem, Keilah, Beit Tzor, Mitzpe and Jericho. The "president of the province of Judea" was Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel. The first wave of Jewish immigration to Yehud Mdinta was included 50,000 Jews from exile, and one of them was the Jewish leader in Babylon. Cutt off supplies? its not true!! Source: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/08/israel-gaza-erez-karam-abu-salem-crossing.html# Moved the Arabs out of the area (= Gaza)? In 2005 Israel disangegged from Gaza and give them all of the land who were until that point with Israeli houses, and then Israel let the Arab control themselves. After Hamas gained control over Gaza and killed alot of Fatah mambers they simply canceled the participation of Hamas in signed agreements with Israel until that year, therefore Israel started the blackade. BUT let us not be confused!! Israel is still bringing inside of Gaza goods and aid. Examples: [video=youtube;E7CHIma5qzA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7CHIma5qzA[/video]
So sorry, I don't see Israel marked on that map. Please point it out. And, yes, the IDF murder Palestinians. So, regardless of all the BS, you can't show forum members a map of Israel from 1945, or for the best part of 2,000 years before it. Face it, Israel is new, and gained by mass illegal immigration and wars. Of course the people you displaced and who's families you murdered are going to shoot at you - live with it.
I'm not anti Jewish, but I am anti Israel. I know many extremist Zionist idiots try to say both are the same, mostky because it suits them to claim it. However, there was no Israel for about 2,000 years, so all the people who lived there in Roman times are dead, thus can't return. I have no problem with 2,000 year old Jews returning to land they were expelled from, if you know any. However, the Jews that "returned", didn't. They invaded and colonised.
Nice C&P - but please point out where Israel was in 1945. Of course, not matter how much rubbish you spout, you can't, because it simply wasn't there. There was mass immigration, followed by the immigrants starting a terrorist campaign, followed by wars designed to occupy the area. You made your own beds, lie in them. Oh, Israelis do tend to lie - a lot. The biggest being, there was always an Israel. In fact, there was not for about 2,000 years and only for about a thousand years before that. So, out of the last 4,000 years, Israel existed for about a thousand and a bit. Not much of a record to make a claim on.
Israel as a country is since 1948, but the Land of Israel with a vest hisroty with Jewish present was all along. The picture I gave you Is the Land of Israel, what is so difficult to get? Illigal immigration? since when immigration to a country is against the law? all aroung the world people immigrate to all kind of countries (even poland and the UK). Even a "Palestinian state" was never existed throughout history, and if it was existed so answer me this questions: 1) who was their prime minister? 2) what was their national anthem? 3) what kind of country was it? 4) what was their flag? I sew you didnt refer to what I wrote you in red and about the goods that Israel transporting to Gaza, that means that you are agreeing with me- happy to see it!
No you didn't - Israel isn't marked at all; mostly because it didn't exist. This is the basic fact you lot try to keep hidden, there was no Israel until mass Jewish immigration, mostly after WWII, formed it through terrorism and war. No matter how much BS you spout, you can't get past facts, Israel wasn't there in 1945, hadn't been for about 2,000 years and was expanded by terrorism and war. None of the "returning" Jews had ever been near the place, neither had any of their families.
As for the mass immigration some posters seek to claim didn't happen, the Jewish virtual library disagrees. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Immigration/Immigration_to_Israel.html 2013 16,968 1991 176,100 1969 38,111 2012 16,557 1990 199,516 1968 20,703 2011 16,892 1989 24,050 1967 14,469 2010 16,633 1988 13,034 1966 15,957 2009 14,574 1987 12,965 1965 31,115 2008 13,701 1986 9,505 1964 55,036 2007 18,131 1985 10,642 1963 64,489 2006 19,269 1984 19,981 1962 61,533 2005 21,183 1983 16,906 1961 47,735 2004 20,899 1982 13,723 1960 24,692 2003 23,273 1981 12,599 1959 23,988 2002 33,570 1980 20,428 1958 27,290 2001 43,473 1979 37,222 1957 72,634 2000 60,201 1978 26,394 1956 56,330 1999 76,766 1977 21,429 1955 37,528 1998 56,730 1976 19,754 1954 18,491 1997 66,221 1975 20,028 1953 11,575 1996 70,919 1974 31,979 1952 24,610 1995 76,361 1973 54,886 1951 175,279 1994 79,844 1972 55,888 1950 170,563 1993 76,805 1971 41,930 1949 239,954 1992 77,057 1970 36,750 1948 101,828 TOTAL: 3,125,646 Hundreds of thousands of Jews, swamping into the lands of a people still recovering from previous occupation and WWII. Like rats, once they'd infested the place, they were impossible to get rid of. That was the Jewish mass immigration that some posters claim never happened.
THE STATE OF ISREAL EXIST FROM 1948, what is so hard to get here? In 1945, The land of Israel was existed so to give you a map for a territory is quit simple. Do you even read what I wrote to you? The establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel was formed not by terrorism, but by intarnational comettee, british decleration and vote of the United Nations in 1947. You need to learn the history of this region before let you think what is true and false. Israel as a state wasnt there in 1945- correct!! but Israel as a territory was always there! expended by terrorism and war? really? The Judea and Samaria for example, Israel took control over it because of an Jurdanian attack on Armon Hanatziv, in Jerusalem, because Jurdan want to invade Israel through it so Israel needed to defened its borders so they gone for counter attack, is it terrorism? not at all!! really? do you have any proof about that the Jews that came to the Land of Israel wasnt have a connection to that place? About your 4 maps of this region: 1947- the British Mandate was in its final existance over the Land of Israel, "Palestine" as "a state" was never existed!! it is a deformation of history. 1947, UN plan- the UN suggested to the Arabs and the Jews partition plan that would let the Arabs and the Jews a state of their own, the result was- Jews accepted the plan and Arabs rejected! this second map is an imeginary map! it was never existed in reality. 1949- 1967- Israel as a state have been existed from 1948, so the map that shows the regioen between the years 1949- 1967 it is a map of the state of Israel that Judea and Samaria and Gaza are not connected to Israel. 2005- this is the map of the state of Israel- where is Palestine (the state)? and the big question is: WHERE IS THE STATE PALESTINE ? If there was any "palestinian state" so answer my this questions: 1) who was their prime minister? 2) what was their national anthem? 3) what kind of country was it? 4) what was their flag? Please refer to what I wrote to you! if you dont want to refer so why are you quoting me? I would talk with people that want to talk, not with people that are using childish tactics, which is to ignore everything and just spil their hatered opinion with out give the chance to hear, please dont waste my time boy.
Absolutely nothing. Israel is a new state, as I've been saying all along, and you've finally admitted. No it didn't, you've just admitted, it started some years later. Tell the dead in the King David hotel that news. I'm sure surviving family members will love to hear it. That part is true, but who asked the Arabs if they were happy with losing their lands? Utter rubbish. The land was there, but it wasn't Israel and there were very few Jews around. You invaded by mass illegal immigration, as I've already linked to. Given Israel's claim to 'right of return', I believe the ball is in your court on that issue. To have a right of return suggests you were there in the first place - no one has ever been able to show family links to prove their bloodline was ever there. The area had been under occupation for a very long time but, what is always ignored, is there were people there, mostly not Jewish. The mass Jewish illegal immigration, Jewish terrorism and wars, forced those people away from their homes. This is really easy - if you hadn't invaded those lands by mass illegal immigration, there would have been no wars. Regardless of your arguments, you can't change these basic facts. 1 - There was no state of Israel until after WWII 2 - There were very few Jews in the region until the start of mass illegal immigration after WWII 3 - These illegal immigrants demanded land and a Jewish state, displacing the local population with the use of violence. In other words, any and all attempts to get rid of the invading forces are legitimate, but I strongly disagree with attacks on civilians, both by the odd Palestinian rocket and Israeli mass murder by air strikes. What was the last one in Gaza? over a thousand dead, all claimed to be terrorist targets, even though children were murdered. Frankly, you have nothing to complain about.
No, I would not. I would take the kids gloves off and bomb them until they sue for peace permanently. to hell with this proportionate response crap. it's only prolonging the war. The only way to win a war is to use disproportionate force and completely annihilate those bastards who started this crap. The Palestinians don't want peace, they want Israel gone, wiped off the map. And they won't stop until they get what they want. To hell with the world's reactions. Doing what's right is not subject to popular vote.
Finally admitted? boy I'm an Israeli, I know when my country established, I dont need someone in Europe that would teach me about my country! I never said Israel isnt a new state!! Are you read what I'm writting to you? I said: Israel AS A STATE been extablished in 1948, BUT Israel AS A TERRITORY (The Land of Israel) was always existed. I really dont know why is it so hard for you to get. Tell the dead babys that Hamas killed, tell all of the dead youngsters that were killed in the Dolphinerium. Israel has been extablished because of the vote by the UN, bot by terror, the case that you mentioned that happened in King David hotel did lead to the establishment of Israel as a country, but it was San-Remo conference and Balfour Decleration and the vote in the UN that made the creation of a Jewish state in the Middle East. They didnt have to lost their lands if they would simply agreed (and its now a consensus among the Arabs) they would get more lands then what they could get nowadays. The Arabs (even Israeli Arab politician as Tibi) said that it was shame that the Arabs back then didnt agreed to the partition plan. It was the Land of Israel, thats why I said that Israel AS A COUNTRY never existed until 1948, but AS A TERRITORY it was always there. BUT still in the history of this region you have too much evidences that a Jewish rule was in the Land of Israel, even under forigen Empires (suce as the Persains). I already wrote you those examples but you prefer to ignore them. Once again Jews immigrated and still are to Israel because they can, like a Jew in Israel can immigrate to America (like it was after WWII that alot of European Jews immigrated to USA)- is it illigel? no, and if so, it make the Muslim immigration to Europe as illigel, and all kin of European people that immigrate inside Europe is illigel. In Israel you will find alot of people that their grandpather, and their grand grandfather were living in Israel long before a Jewish state been established. You have Arab villages in the West Bank that all of the Arabs there are the decendens of the Jews that lived long before a Jewish state been established, and they had to convert to Islam because of the Arabs that forced them to convert, unless they would die. And how it is well known? GENETIC REACERCH. See this video: [video=youtube;t3q6OKG4zAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3q6OKG4zAE[/video] not Jews? really? In Mark Twain's book, he reavels that the Land of Israel was godforsaken land, and he only sew a few Arabs in that land and they were Bedouin (=nomads). When Twain came to Jerusalem he sew a majority of Christians and among them there were planty of Jews. It was in 1869. The wars that been forced on Israel is because the Arabs. Like the Independence war, all of the Arab countries in that region, after the establishment of Israel in 1948, they immidiatly attacked Israel. Please learn Israel' proper history, without ignoring facts. The state of Israel had been eccepted by the world when the vote took place in the UN, is this illigel? as much as I know a voting action about something it is part of democracy, it never been forced by anybody (and the rejection of the Arabs on the partition plan showed you that). 1) I know, so? how could you say that Jews occupided this land before 1948 if a Jewish rule wasnt existed in 1947? 2) Mark twain's book says otherwise! it says that the majority of the people that lived in the Land of Israel in 1869 was Christians and Jews, the rest were BEDOUIN (=nomads). Where are those "Palestinisn" at? why they are not the majority in the Land of Israel in 1869 if you said that just after WWII the Jewish majority had been formed? 3) Violance? In Israeli schools the majority of the theachers there are soppurt "Palestinian" state, and dont agree with the attacks that Israel making of self defence. And for the asemption of "illegal immigrants" i explained you erlier. ALL OF THE ATTACKS THAT HAPPENING FROM GAZA OR FROM THE WEST BANK ARE ON CEVILIANS, but you dont want to accept it. Gaza is no longer under Israeli control! they pass the control to the Arabs there in 2005- where is the inceding in Gaza? all of the Israeli soldiers near Gaza are near Gaza and dont cross the border that Israel have with Gaza. In the Wesy Bank Israel have a legitimacy to rule on Area C by Oslo Accords, and Area A is under full cevilian and military Arab rule, and in Area B it is under cevilian "Palestinian" rule and Israeli rule as they been agreed in Oslo Accords. Hamas just few days ago launched rockets thoward Israel and one of the rockets have been landed in Gaza and murdered Arab baby girl- why dont you condem that? [video=youtube;CkOvi4ggrHs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkOvi4ggrHs[/video]
