Antarctic Sea Ice At Record New High

What's going on here? I thought warmer weather and sea water caused ice to melt? I seem to be as confused at all those climatologists with their high-powered computers who told us it was going to melt and cause ocean levels to rise and threaten our coastline.

I guess I better read this again @ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html

And then, there comes this:

Government Data Show U.S. in Decade-Long Cooling @ http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-u-s-in-decade-long-cooling/

I just don't understand any of this! ☼

But it's not finished yet. Here's this:

The 2014 El Niño is looking more and more like a bust and Peru says waters cooling with fish returning @ http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/06/the-2014-el-nino-is-looking-more-and-more-like-a-bust/

 

Thread fail - increases in southern ice have been suspected since the 1940s. Measured since 1959. Be aware the southern sea ice completely melts every year unlike its northern counterpart. There are at three strong theories surrounded the phenomena, known as the Southern Ice Anomaly

Pro tip - Dont shop at the Daily Mail for your science needs. Its sort of like watching Fox for Presidental election results

 

Do you have a point. Climate models predicted tgat arctic ice should decreace.

As usual your post reads like a monkey throwing (*)(*)(*)(*) at a wal.

Sure you think it looks nice.

 

It cyclical and goes along with the cyclical warming and cooling of the oceans.

 

Which happened, Arctic sea ice decreased. And models also predicted Antarctic sea ice would increase, and that happened.

Essentially you're claiming that since the AGW scientists made correct predictions about both the Arctic and Antarctic, it proves AGW scientists are totally wrong.

 

It was a misstype antarctic. And as usual you run to the 1/3rd where they are closer not right mind you only closer. Their arctic predictions are still off just not as nuch as the tropics or antarctic.

 

CCSM4 models all predict declining Antarctic sea ice in 2004.

http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/models/ccsm4.0/

IPCC: all of the models have a negative trend in Southern Ice Extent (SIE) since the mid-nineteenth century. The negative SIE trends in most of the model runs over 1979–2005 are a continuation of an earlier decline, suggesting that the processes responsible for the observed increase over the last 30 years are not being simulated correctly.

Funny but the excuse for the incorrect models is 'natural variability' yet claim the Arctic ice loss is due to AGW.

 

"Does record Antarctic sea ice refute global warming?"

http://blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2012/10/06/does-record-antarctic-sea-ice-refute-global-warming/

"Why is southern sea ice increasing?"

http://www.skepticalscience.com/increasing-Antarctic-Southern-sea-ice.htm

 

I read these links and they're pretty bad. Here's why:

The first one is dated 2012, so it doesn't address the latest trends.

The second one says that there's more antarctic ice because the region got warmer... seriously.

Gliberals went from being typified by reasoned argumentation to what they are now, brain-dead appeals to authority, in this case the authority of the "scientific consensus" that copes poorly with incorrect models. It seemed to start when Obama got elected. I guess it's just human nature.

 

GW models are not going as predicted?

 

Yes, let's not reference the IPCC but refer to blogs and cartoonists CAGW advocacy websites. LOL

 

LOL, you can't gloss over the fact that the climate "scientists" have been so wrong in so many of their predictions.

Warmer temperature, more hurricanes, more tornados, less sea ice, even the snow on Kilimanjaro was to disappear, all wrong.

These warmist scientists have proven themselves fools and lost credibility. They are a joke.

 

You can always find a newer one:

"Rose-colored glasses: Antarctic sea ice is the Mail on Sunday's latest global warming distraction"

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...tic-sea-ice-latest-global-warming-distraction

- - - Updated - - -

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=363977&p=1064056755#post1064056755

where the article refers to a recent study that's linked. Well, so much for that LOL. Putting you in my ignore list.

 

I don't think volume data is as reliable as surface data. Global sea ice extent has been above average for the last two years, which seems odd if the volume underneath is as weak as claimed. Of course it could finally affect the surface data "any day" now, but seems like we've been waiting quite awhile, appeals to the future get old...

 

True believers love the CAGW advocacy site from the cartoonist.

 

As I've said before, the term "CAGW" should be avoided. No sensible or honest person has ever used the term. Using it instantly identifies the speaker as a mindless drone of the WUWT cult. If you see that term used, it's a sure sign you'll only be seeing regurgitated denier cult dogma, hence there's no reason to take the speaker seriously.

Oddly, the denier cultists know this, yet they still use the term whenever possible. It's much like an Islamicist cultist trying to be the one to scream "Allahu Akhbar!" the loudest. The point of it is mainly to advertise to other cultists that the speaker is a loyal member of the cult. To a denier, the cult brownie points gained from screaming "CAGW!" outweigh the negative impression it gives to those outside the cult.

Anyways, let's summarize.

Despite denier fabrications to the contrary, climate models have been extremely accurate at predicting the warming. Over and over on every topic, the mainstream scientists get it right. That's why they have such credibility, because they have decades of successful predictions behind them. Deniers will scream otherwise, but that's because their cult orders them to scream it.

For example, the Antarctic sea ice increase was correctly and explained predicted back in 1991 by S. Manabe. So because the AGW models have been once more proven to be correct, the deniers now claim AGW theory is wrong. Yep, deniers really are that bereft of common sense, in that they say scientists being proven right over and over proves they were wrong. That's just one of many reasons why the whole planet more or less ignores them.

In contrast to the decades of success seen by AGW scientists, deniers ... well, we can't say they failed, because they're too gutless to actually make any predicitons. That's one major reason we know denialism is pseudoscience, because it is literally unfalsifiable. AGW science, being actual science, is falsifiable in many ways.

 

No CAGW, then you spout the usual nonsense, 'denier cultist'. LOL, the past decades of success? You certainly have not been keeping up, have you?

 

I'm well aware of your cult's delusions and fabrications, and the religious fervor of the cult acolytes.

Does it bother you, that way the data contradicts your cult dogma, how you've been reduced to endless conspiracy theories, and how most of the world considers your cult to be a joke? No need to actually answer, because I can see it does bother you.

The science has moved on without you, and you're not even visible in the rear view mirror. Declare victory all you want, but the SS Denial is still taking on water. The question is whether you flee with the other rats or go down with the ship.

 

I suppose the observational science contradicting the modeling science doesn't bother you a bit.

I see you are deep into the religion since you cannot even talk the science but can only resort to a rant about heretics.

 

how about the scientist stuck in the frozen sea in Summer? What about them, yep the Antarctic melts completely Just ask those scientist stuck this past summer, let's!

 

huh? I thinks me sees you don't know what you talk about! Now that is hilarious! It's been a good day, more laughing at the lefty's LoSing

 

Melting sea ice will not cause any rise in ocean levels as its already floating and therefore has already displaced its volume, kinda like an icecube in a glass of water doesnt raise the water level in the glass as it melts.

 

Obviously...another ridiculous denier cult brain-fart of a delusional thread....

The scientists were quite correct, as a great deal of scientific research has confirmed. In spite of your crazy anti-science denier cult myths and misdirection. Too bad you can't seem to comprehend what they are actually talking about. Perhaps this will help.

Doubling of Antarctic ice loss revealed by European satellite
Continent shedding 160 billion tonnes a year, CryoSat-2 shows, just days after warning over western ice sheet's collapse
The Guardian
Damian Carrington
19 May 2014
(excerpts)
Antarctica is shedding 160 billion tonnes a year of ice into the ocean, twice the amount of a few years ago, according to new satellite observations. The ice loss is adding to the rising sea levels driven by climate change and even east Antarctica is now losing ice. The new revelations follows the announcement last week that the collapse of the western Antarctica ice sheet has already begun and is unstoppable, although it may take many centuries to complete. Global warming is pushing up sea level by melting the world’s major ice caps and by warming and expanding oceans waters. The loss of the entire western Antarctica ice sheet would eventually cause up to 4 metres (13ft) of sea-level rise, devastating low-lying and coastal areas around the world. The new data, published in journal Geophysical Research Letters, comes from the European Space Agency’s CryoSat-2 satellite, which was launched in 2010. It shows that the western Antarctica ice sheet is where 87% of the lost ice is being shed, with the east Antarctic and the Antarctic peninsula shedding the rest. The data collected from 2010-2013 was compared to that from 2005-2010.

The satellite measures changes in the height of the ice and covers virtually the whole of the frozen continent, far more of than previous altimeter missions. CryoSat-2 collected five times more data than before in the crucial coastal regions where ice losses are concentrated and found key glaciers were losing many metres in height every year. The Pine Island, Thwaites and Smith Glaciers in west Antarctica were losing between 4m and 8m annually. “The increased thinning we have detected in west Antarctica is a worrying development,” said Professor Andrew Shepherd, at the University of Leeds and who led the study. “It adds concrete evidence that dramatic changes are underway in this part of our planet.” Professor David Vaughan, at the British Antarctic Survey and not involved in this research, said: “The increasing contribution of Antarctica to sea-level rise is a global issue, and we need to use every technique available to understand where and how much ice is being lost. Through some very clever technical improvements, [Shepherd’s team] have produced the best maps of Antarctic ice-loss we have ever had. Prediction of the rate of future global sea-level rise must be begin with a thorough understanding of current changes in the ice sheets – this study puts us exactly where we need to be.”

 

livefree - do you think yelling will improve your message?

 

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2014/08/sled-dog-days-of-summer/

Record low temps in the Antarctic threaten the Halley Research Station. http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/about_bas/news/news_story.php?id=2724