Islam vs Western Values .

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    Okay, so it's a good video.

    But, what is YOUR take on it?

    Are they compatible with "western values"?
     
  3. MrConservative

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    She's very articulate. The OP may have violated forum posting rules since the OP posted a YouTube linking and telling people to watch it.
     
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    OK, MG, if you want to see some other western values find the you tube video of a drunken girl giving oral sex to 27 men in a bar. Do you want to tell me how that is a good set of values?
     
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    So what is it that you find objectionable about this?
     
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    I would rather see that....than this a woman being stoned to death for having sex, or getting raped.

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    Memri TV is run by a former IDF person.. Its sole purpose is to show the bad side of Islam... no matter how obscure.

    You are their victim... if you think stoning is a common practice or a widely accepted one.

    She is earning her living propagandizing Islam working for professional haters.

    Sultan, is a board member of Stop Islamization of Nations (SION), an organization founded by Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and Anders Gravers of Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE). Other board members are Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina, ex-Muslim activist and author; Stefan Herre, of the blog Politically incorrect and says his Islamophobia is without shame: "Phobia is fear, and I'm afraid of Islam",[18] Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli author; Babu Suseelan, a Hindu activist; Oskar Freysinger, a Swiss politician; Cliff Kincaid, editor of the Accuracy in Media (AIM) Report; and Ashraf Rameleh the President of Voice of the Copts. Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are President and Vice President of SION.[

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    If you think giving head to guys in a bar is a common practice....you are as bad as she is.


    Still....Oral sex beats the hell outa death.
     
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    The basic point is that there is no correlation between Christian or Western values and Islam.

    Islam is a religious/political cult that believes only in freedom for the Imams and tribal chiefs.
     
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    Some professing "Christians" who worship the Prince of Peace applauded when Bush launch invasions in two needless wars killing over a million innocents who had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMD. Islam certainly hasn't done that. So who are the real terrorists?
     
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    I can't watch youtube on my computer, however there are many areas where the ideal, desired traits and behavior are different between Islam and Western values.

    For example in Islam, or perhaps just Persian culture, people intervene more. In America the ideal of indivualism creates selfishness (granted I understand the "that's not my butt" attitude). So one of my friends told me in Iran, if there's fights in school, people in intervene, such as students. In America, that's not the case. People are too afraid or they don't care.

    In Islam, sex is a taboo thing. In Iran and some Middle-Eastern countries, it carries a death penalty for watching pornography. Womens' hair is vieled, they have to be escorted by two or so male relatives and if she gets raped it's her fault. They have fewer rights (starting to change), and males carry the power. Here in America, it's quite sexualised, nobody has to wear a veil, if a women get's raped they're not blamed.

    In Islam, death is glorified, especially martydom, among some segments. Life is glorified in America. Islam teaches honesty and aversion to wealth worship. In America, you have wealth worship and honesty too, to an extent.
     
  12. Mr_Truth

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    Islam is a beautiful religion in which 70% of its new converts both in Europe and in the USA are WOMEN. This shows that it has great merit.
     
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    A simple fact check exposes the fallacy of this comment. Stoning is currently practiced in six Muslim states: Somalia, Nigeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Sudan.
     
  14. Mr_Truth

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    Funny how none of the forum right wingers dared to address the fact that Western values includes the launching of two needless wars upon Iraqis and Afghanistanis, killing over one million people, and forcing so many into misery.

    Since when did Muslims do anything like that to us????


    Hmmmm?



    Let's see the forum right wingers dare to address this TRUTH.
     
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    Hey forum right wingers - where is your answer to my question?


    How many times did the Islamic world launch two needless wars and kill over ONE MILLION Westerners like your hero Bush did when his wars killed tens of thousands of innocent children????


    C'on now -- don't hide.

    Confront the TRUTH about Western hypocrisy.


    Answer please .......
     
  16. longknife

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    The Islamic cult does not initiate global or national conflicts because it is too technologically backward to be able to.

    Instead, those brave tribal leaders propagandize young children into believing they can have a better life if only they strap explosive to themselves and go out to blow up anyone their leaders point out!

    Killing tens of thousands in this way somehow isn't considered "war" when that is exactly what it is!!! :steamed:
     
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    Islam is practiced from Morocco to Indonesia. Six backward states are extreme: Somalia has no central government; in Nigeria attendance at secondary schools is about 30%; Iran is a theocracy; Saudi Arabia is a monarchy heavily influenced by Wahhabism, a fundamentalist branch of Islam; Afghanistan was until recently ruled by the Taliban, and its current Constitution establishes it as an 'Islamic Republic' and the established religion is Islam; Omar al-Bashir head of state in Sudan is under indictment for war crimes by the UN.
     
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    Yes and...
     
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    So the nation of Iran and its leaders are obscure?
     
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    So the nation of Iran is obscure?
     
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    Sure there are, you just don't know anything about Islam or Muslim values.
     
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    Islam's answer to Western decadence is to strap high explosives to themselves and detonate in the middle of a cafe' while hollering Allahu Akbar. They don't care who they kill...death is embraced.

    There is a saturation in Western culture with pornography, with loose morals...no doubt. You know what you do, you set an example. You don't do the things you find immoral. You provide an example by actions....

    Responding to sin with barbarity in the name of one's religion is equally immoral, in fact the most heinous response imaginable.

    It is evil.
     
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    The ten commandments in Islam are not verbatim the same as the Ten Commandments in the Bible... but they are identical in meaning.
     
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    Islam is not only a religion. It is also a political ideology. If the government of the Muslim community simply is God’s government, then no other governments can be legitimate. They are all at war with God.

    It is a two-point Worldview.

    Dar al-Islam—the "house of Islam" or "house of submission" to God

    The Dar al-Harb, or "house of war"

    Because of the need to expand God’s dominion by wars of conquest, Islam’s ideology imposes on Muslims the duty to fight for God’s community.

    As a non-Muslim, I am part of the Dar al-Harb; I am at war with God. I an an enemy of Islam.

    This is a clash of civilizations that is centuries old. There will never be peaceful co-existence because the basic tenet of Islam is to defend and spread the House of Islam. There is no call to peacefully co-exist, there is only a call to conquer the infidel, the Dar al-Harb, they are seen as the one at war with God.
     
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    I wanted to add, though I'm not sure this thread is going anywhere or if anyone is reading it. As a religious person, I respect my fellow religious. Islam basically holds a similar tenet to Christianity in that moral decay must be fought against. Even using logic, unless something is maintained the entropy of a system will increase over time. I support the need to recognize and fight against this social entropy, this moral decay, particularly evident in Western culture. As an example, abortion may be popularly accepted among the citizens of my country. I'll never support it or accept it...I'll never follow the status quo.

    It is the method of fighting against this moral decay however, is where problems develop. Christianity does have dark elements to it's history....people have been tortured failing to recognize Christ as their savior. Christianity's attempts at conversion have turned violent. This is a historical reality that should not be ignored. However, I view this as a perversion of the faith. In more modern times, the Westboro Baptist church has exhibited egregious methods while proselytizing the faith. Those methods should be condemned.

    I recognize the common humanity of us all, regardless of what creed one follows...or even the lack of a creed. I believe in the separation of Church and State.

    Mark 12:17
    Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

    By and large where the conflict between Sunni and Shia developed, was whether to separate church and state.. The conflict resides in the interpretation of the Qur'an. As I type this the conflict is on-going.

    I can say this, emphatically...in order to spare civilizations from unneeded suffering, it is an imperative that Islam, and any religion for that matter, any creed or lack of creed including atheism; recognizes a common humanity. I'm not encouraging humanism, because I am also a proponent of the need for the transcendence of our natures. However whatever core beliefs you may hold dear, recognizing the common humanity in those who may not share those beliefs, is vital to avoid the inevitable destruction that follows by dehumanizing those who may not think the same, or believe in the same things.

    What we have now, is essentially a perpetual war. This is not a tenable situation for our species to exist.

    It's no way to live in other words...this is not what God intended for us.

    The perversion of faith to cause suffering to another, is unacceptable.
     

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