Why isn't there a serious world wide discussion about population reduction? The ever increasing numbers of humans are destroying the earth, we have become a serious pest! It can't go on, population cannot keep increasing in a finite space. I reckon this discussion is not happening because both big business and politicians don't see population reduction has being in their interests.
And how would you achieve that? Hitler style? Snip for food programm in India or Africa? You are right, I also believe we are becoming too much, but not an easy way to reduce numbers, is there? Regards
This would work. Probably work too well. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/11/crazy-dangerous-creation-deadly-airborne-flu-virus Scientists have created a life-threatening virus that closely resembles the 1918 Spanish flu strain that killed an estimated 50m people in an experiment labelled as "crazy" by opponents.
Businesses and politicians have little interest in world-wide population figures but they are interested in regional population changes and to a great extent they have a point. The issue with world-wide population is less raw numbers and more about balance and change. While there are parts of the world with rapidly increasing populations, other areas are facing stagnant or even decreasing numbers but with rapidly aging populations. These require very different approaches but can also impact each other (regarding immigration and international aid for example).
People should have as many children as they see fit for any reason they see fit. No exceptions under any circumstances.
Correct, the numbers in the western world are decreasing while others are fooling around as if there is no tomorrow.... Regards
We are living on one planet with finite resources, and is estimated at the current growth rate, the population will expand by 11 billion by 2100, and 22billion by 2200. With our current level of technology, humanity will not be colonising any planets within the next 300 years - so we better start doing something serious about the Earths limited resources and the human population, or humans will end up being rats in garbage cans.
This is the big environmental issue of our time, but before we can begin to discuss the population explosion issue, we need to honestly redefine the words "environmentalism", and "conservation". We need to reinstate the true meaning of these titles, and apply them to true environmentalists. For anyone to pose as an environmentalist, without addressing the global population explosion as their predominant concern, is the height of fraudulent insincerity. As stated on numerous occasions, the majority of "environmentalists" live OFF the environment, not for the environment. Before we can even begin to discuss this issue, we need to expose and bypass, the parasites who presently infect the "environmental industry" for the under achieving, non contributing misfits they are. The Greens are a perfect example of gravy train passengers, living off the system. What talent or courage does it take to whine about life while collecting the $$$$$$$$$$$ ? How about we compile a list of the critical factors in order of priority? I`ll try to get the ball rolling : 1. Economic system based on expansion.
Funny how the big $$$$$$$$$$$$ issues like AGW, and carbon cash transfers raise fanatical mass hysteria, but this issue, the really big issue. Not a peep.
Well there's Agenda 21, and China has taken some pretty serious action and their population will start to fall dramatically after the next few decades and get back to around 1 b by the end of the century. The main problem is that the growth rate areas are in very politically unstable regions (Africa and the ME particularly) so there is no effective institutional structure that is capable of bringing about significant change.
Agenda 21, a UN initiative. I have always said, the UN is where the homicidal maniacs congregate. These cretins make Hitler look like the tooth-fairy, and the UN should have been disbanded decades ago for the good of humanity. Look at the UN record for yourself. How much peace have they accomplished, and how many wars have they enacted and started?
I did a long thread on this subject a while back.. http://www.politicalforum.com/science/339639-population-energy-food-very-long.html The ironic thing is that man has been calling doom over population when it was miniscule compared to now! These 2 quotes by tertullian & malthus illustrate it a bit.. "What most frequently meets our view (and occasions complaint), is our teeming population: our numbers are burdensome to the world, [The earth] scarcely can provide for our needs; as our demands grow greater, our complaints against nature's inadequacy are heard by all. The scourges of pestilence, famine, wars, and earthquakes have come to be regarded as a blessing to overcrowded nations, since they serve to prune away the luxuriant growth of the human race." ~Tertullian (c. 155-220) Famine seems to be the last, the most dreadful resource of nature. The power of population is so superior to the power in the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction; and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague, advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and ten thousands. Should success he still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow, levels the population with the food of the world. ~Thomas Robert Malthus (1766-1834) But even though doomsayers have been predicting the sky falling for millennia, eventually they will be right, as a finite planet with finite resources cannot sustain exponential growth. ESPECIALLY as we reach peak oil, & arable land keeps diminishing, & irrigation water becomes more scarce, the food supply will decline, & famine will result. The rich countries will NOT be able to spend exorbitant amounts to feed the world's poor, & many will starve. The bizarre solution from the globalists seems to be to ship the world's irresponsible poor to the responsible nations that have cut back their population growth. Instead of letting nature take its course to deplete the populations by natural methods, we artificially create breeding grounds for uncontrolled reproduction, & those areas have seen the largest increase in population, & also have the most problems with food, energy, & water. We either ship food & water to these regions, or ship the hordes of breeders to the stable population centers. I'd like to get off this ship of fools, but will have to sink or float with everyone else. Eventually something like eugenics will become popular again, to solve the growing problem. Common sense solutions are not wanted, but overloading the system & draining the resources from the west seems to be the goal. Still, nature will win, even if we are fools. We'll either kill each other, or there will be other catastrophes, natural or animal to cut us back. There might not be any green thing left, & the rest of the animal kingdom might have gone extinct by then, but at least we'll have plenty of human company.
All the short sighted numbats will hate this idea but the best way is to make staying on Earth a privilege for the rich. Everyone else gets shoved offworld. Shifting the economy into space. Things space mining is the answer... all the poorer communities (ie most of us) can be shipped offworld to earn money out there. The whole 'economy' is a pyramid anyway, we just need to shift from Newtonian economics to Einsteinian economics - the top's of the pyramid becomes the planet's themselves. Getting started is the hardest thing, but the more resources we waste sitting here enjoying new technology, the less we will have to actually achieve it at all.... and if we don't, then this place is doomed. Humanities legacy, too stupid to leave the 'womb'. Most of space is dead anyway, so its not like we'd be messing it up any.
Conspiratorial nonsense culldav. You keep complaining that population growth is being ignored as a serious issue, and then you also complain that the UN has a plan to address it. There is nothing homicidal about lowering population growth through development.
How did we get here? 1. Lots of cheap food. Supply exceeds demand. 2. Lots of cheap, arable land. 3. Lots of cheap energy to cultivate the land, to produce lots of cheap food. 4. Lots of easy, low priced medical advances to overcome disease. 5. Advances in crop growth to maximize yields. These are the factors that ENABLED the population to get to the current levels. But what is happening, now? 1. Food is becoming more expensive to produce.. demand is outpacing supply. 2. Arable land is diminishing, as water tables are exhausted & less is available to cultivate new lands & produce cheap food. 3. Yields are maxxed out.. the limits of hybridizing & using GMOs is producing diminishing returns. 4. Energy is becoming scarce, or more difficult to produce cheaply.. costs for production go up, & are passed down to the consumer. The usual solution is for man to ignore the problems he creates with his own presence, until nature vomits him out. The european plagues were a result of too much density in the cities.. at least that is where the brunt of the diseases hit. It is a self regulating problem. Nature will fix everything, eventually. She used to do it locally, in local ecosystems, but we have short circuited that process & forced to to become a global one. So instead of small, occasional famines or events that keep the populations in check, we'll now have a massive global correction, thanks to the globalists & their clever policies.
This is just my suggestion. It might take you a few cups of coffee or tea to intellectually digest reading the Wikipedia agenda 21 and the Australian agenda 21 - as it has many links. You might be surprised to learn what these psychopaths in the UN have install for us all, and our idiotic politicians have agreed with them - after all, these decisions will never effect rich politicians or their families. You have a brain right? Ever seriously wonder why ten's of billions of dollars have been sent to African countries in crisis? How much money do you think it takes to teach someone how to grow a crop or put seeds in the ground to grow a crop, or provide food seeds to a population to help sustain themselves? Do you really think it takes tens of billions of dollars to accomplish this? $11.25 for 60lbs of wheat = 3/4 of an acre sown.
It's either that, or the general declines in fertility and annual birth rates that we have been witnessing in recent decades.
Humanity should have already been mining asteroids for resources and not raping our own planet, if humanity was not held back by hundreds of years of religious superstitious nonsense. If humanity keeps going by raping the planet of natural resources for basic consumer energy, they will not enough resources left to be able to escape their own planets gravity soon. We will be trapped here like rats on a sinking ship. The tragedy of Easter Island is going to happen to the people of Earth on a grand scale.
http://www.space.com/21345-asteroid-mining-crowdfunding-space-telescope.html http://io9.com/swarms-of-robots-could-be-mining-asteroids-within-a-gen-458282597 http://science.howstuffworks.com/asteroid-mining.htm I don't think it will employ many people though.
So why have there been organisations soliciting donations to help the starving africans for over 60 years that I can remember?
