Israeli Cabinet Unanimously Rejects Kerry's Temporary Truce Proposal.....

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  1. MMC

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    Over the course of the current conflict, Hamas has turned down several ceasefire attempts, while Israel has agreed to the terms. The terrorist organization has conditioned any cessation of its rocketing campaign on Israel lifting its blockade of Gaza -- which was made necessary by previous Hamas attacks, and the purpose of which is to interdict additional weapons to be used in future attacks. Food, clothing, medicine, and other legitimate items are allowed to pass through. This demand is a nonstarter. US Secretary of State John Kerry traveled to the region and proposed a one-week truce that would allow breathing room for a broader deal to take shape. This time, it's Israel that has pre-emptively and decisively rejected the offer. Israel's leaders argue that the 'timeout' would interrupt their hard-fought ground incursion designed to destroy Hamas' so-called "terror tunnels." In short:

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    Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey has explained why the tunnels, not rockets, are Hamas' most lethal tool in their murderous campaign against Israeli civilians. Indeed, heavily-armed Hamas fighters wearing Israeli military uniforms recently emerged from one such tunnel, killing two IDF soldiers. The Washington Post notes that tunnel-based assaults on Israeli neighborhoods are an appalling staple of the Hamas playbook:

    Meanwhile, rockets have been discovered in yet another UN-administered Gaza school, while Hamas keeps on doing its craven, disgusting thing:

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    This map shows why we continue in our mission to expose and destroy Hamas' network of terror attack tunnels.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...-rejects-kerrys-temporary-truce-plan-n1866605


    Kerry's ceasefire plan is a joke.....at least he tried to save face. Note the discovery of an attack that was going to take place come Sept. The Israelis discovered the tunnel already prepared.

    Again the MS Media is attempting to play on this and needs to have their people put in check with all their Tissue issues in support of Hamas. Again and again they need to be reminded. Hamas are terrorists.....there is no crying and whining over Terrorists. What say ye?

    Oh....note Kerry's concern to play to the camera.
     
  2. wgabrie

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    Hamas wants Israel to pay a high price at the diplomacy table... :rolleyes:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel should agree to ending the blockade, in exchange for a de-militarization of Gaza.
     
  4. MMC

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    Well each and every time a MS media reporter goes for the Snuggles Tissues.....the host of whatever Radio or Television broadcast. Needs to come back with....can you explain why you are so emotional over terrorists. As you seem to show the American viewers or listeners that.....you are in Support of Terrorists and what they do.

    Can you tell the American People why you would support such Terrorists here live and with the camera rolling.....See this will also be about ending their careers.
     
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    Who would guarantee the demilitarization?
    Those good Muslim U.N. workers who returned the rockets to Hamas ?
    Palestinians ?


    The Palestinian soul needs to be converted to Peace.
    Unfortunately, the only way to achieve that is via Dresden / Hiroshima type activity.
    NOT targeted.
    Blanketed !
    Reasonable means have failed since 1948 with an unreasonable people.
    Something horrible will hopefully convince the heart of the Palestinian people to

    Unilaterally Declare Peace.
    That must include responsibility for any war like actions taken by individuals from Palestinian territory.

    Oppose the Status Quo. :rant:
    Finish it.


    Moi :oldman:


    r > g



    No :flagcanada:
     
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    22 ARAB states guaranteed Israel's security in the spring of 2002.. What a sweet deal for the Israelis and such a capitulation for the Arabs.
     
  7. js1080

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    Hamas has no intent of demilitarization. It is pointless to agree to something in principle that you know the other side will not honor and that no third party would be willing to actively enforce.

    Not something like this, anyway.
     
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    Hamas, Hamas, Hamas .... all we ever hear is Hamas this and Hamas that!
    I do not condone anything that Hamas do but their threat to Israeli life is microscopic compared to the mass murder of Palestinian civilians by Israeli missiles and gun fire.
    Is one Israeli life worth 50 Palestinians? Really? Is it?
    So for every Israeli casualty, 50 Palestinians have to die? What makes a Jewish life more precious than an Arab one?
    In my view Hamas are no more a terrorist group than the Israeli government is. That Benjamin Netahanyahu (or whatever his name is) fella is a nasty piece of work and needs bringing down a peg or two then put on trial for mass genocide and war crimes and crimes against humanity. And.....I hope the jury are ALL Arabs!
     
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    Technically speaking these aren't war crimes. A dispassionate view of this draws the reasonable conclusion that no state is going to tolerate nonstop bombardment from within its own borders. That is what is happening here, Israel is removing something it perceives to be a threat. This has nothing to do with body count on either side.
     
  10. MMC

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    How about the Palestinians finding some backbone and telling Hamas to shut the hell up.....of course I would use terminology where they can never have any misunderstanding.

    Of course that would include an offer they can't refuse as well!!!!!
     
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    Okaaaaaay . . . let's launch endless waves of rockets into your home state over the course of years and then see if the people of your state get a little -- um -- irritated about it while the rest of the world pretends that it doesn't really matter. Now I could be wrong, but even if YOU continued to think that you should just suck it up as rockets rush toward your family members for year after year, it's quite probable that the rest of the citizens of your state would soon get damn tired of just tolerating all those attacks . . . especially as the technology continues to improve and both the range and the accuracy along with it. Ooops!

    What the fork would the United States do if attacked? What would Great Britain or France do? Why should the Israeli turn the other cheek simply because terrorists get a bunch of clueless elitist liberal types to say that Israel should endless keep taking it on the chin; especially when those leftwingers damn well would HOWL in anguish if anyone were to launch a rocket at THEIR neighborhood?
     
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    Every good liberal knows that if Hamas and Israel sign an agreement saying that Gaza is demilitarized, then Gaza will be demilitarized and the blockade could end.
     
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    I agree, but for that, it would require Palestine to be militarized first.

    Rocks, old AKs, Qassams... not much to demilitarize...
     
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    Israel is removing women and children. Children, because in Israeli eyes they are the future threat to Israeli citizens. And women, because they give birth to the future threat to Israeli citizens. In short, Israel will not stop until every single millimetre of Palestinian land is 'reclaimed' and every single Palestinian is dead.

    I seem to remember someone else with those kind of views? Who could that be.........?
     
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    Israel has a very powerful modern military. If they wanted to kill women and children they could do it a lot more efficiently than they are doing, several thousands per hour, i'd assume. Hamas places their weapons in areas where women and children are, obviously. They either hope israel won't attack the weapons or, more likely, want women and children to die so they can say exactly what you are saying.
     
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    Well, if at least Israel had any success in these endeavours in the last 50 years, you'd had a point... But somehow, in spite of their humongus advantage, intellectual, technological and social (as they would say), they just can't seem to be able to work things out for the long run.

    Cannot do, or doesn't want to. I believe in the later.
     
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    Because they don't want to end up like the more sheepish West Bank, hich gets raped a bit more everyday? That's how Israel sees peace? For all the bullying they do, I think Hamas really defends its people, hence their democratic election.
     
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    Deeds, Not Words, Deeds - please.

    Those 22 Arab states have been ineffectual at curbing Hamas acquisition of rockets intended for
    terror, not targets !

    The question remains, who guarantees Palestine as a demilitarized zone ?

    Just asking. No offense intended.
    "Do you believe yourself ?"
    Just wondering. Some play an "argument".


    Moi :oldman:


    r > g


    No :flagcanada:
     
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    I don't see those 22 Arab states doing much guaranteeing now, do you?
     
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    "Israeli Cabinet Unanimously Rejects Kerry's Temporary Truce Proposal"

    Bravos and kudos to the Israelis! Viva!

    No matter what concessions the Israelis might make, the Muslims will keep on attacking Israel, or if not Israelis, they will always be fighting someone, even if it's among themselves -- Violence appears to be the Mid-Eastern mentality pastime and sport, even more enjoyable than soccer.

    Notice the media film clips. When Gaza gets rocketed resulting in injuries, the Muslims go into hysteria; become frenzied; animated; hyper; thrash about; scramble and wail excitedly with cocodrile tears; feign exaggerated compassion for their injured, while ten or fifteen young men excitedly push and roughly shove victims into waiting ambulances. And some of them are even laughing!

    Aside from all that, there will be a truce of sorts. Obama will summon Netanyahu to his D.C. woodshed and make him bend over, grab his ankles, and agree to a cease fire.

    Thank you sir -- may I have another?
     
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    Israel can only go by Hamas' own actions and behaviors.....which has never been about peace.

    Hamas is not defending their people by lobbing Rockets into Israel and trying to kill and maim people. Upset their way of life and living.

    So lets not mistake intentions. If Israel wanted to wipe out the Palestinians. They could have done so a long time ago.

    So that leaves Hamas doing whatever it wants. All due to those afraid to stand up to them. That is of their own People's will and choice.
     
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    You do realize that if Israel wanted to wipe out every last Palestinian they could just carpet bomb the whole damn place and be done in about 24 hours. So if they really are doing what you've said why don't they?
     
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    lol right, an ultimatum, promising basically precious nothing in exchange for Israeli military and demographic suicide, even that deal not supported by Hamas, Hezbollah etc who would still continue their terror against Israel.
     
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    Borat, they guaranteed Israel's security, recognition ... plus diplomatic and trade relations.. and King Fahd ordered a study to restore Tapline with a spur to Haifa..

    Ariel Sharon was a belligerent fool who hurt the Israeli people.
     
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    It doesn't seem so hard for Israel to do so, though. Natural, they're the ones that created Hamas. But tell me; didn't we "good guys" supposed to be better than who we fight? A naive concept I guess.

    And which actions by Israel were about (durable) peace? Them leaving Gaza was to be one of these occasions if they didn't strangled it with the blockade, effectively changing Gaza's status from colonizable lands to internment camp. Have you read the Likud's chart? What about all the land grabbings in the West Bank? Why would Israel want the war to end? War is absurdly in Israel's advantage. Would you stop it yourself if you had such an advantage?

    It's too bad that your side always ignore these questions, really.

    Anyway, getting back to your comment: I disagree: Israel has the upper hand, by far; It can almost declare unilateral peace, either by abiding to something like the Arab nations' proposal, compensating the displaced Palestinians (you Yanks pay, of course...), getting back behind the 1967 Green Line, asking for a UN peaceforce and a demilitarized zone, or a mix of all these.

    But what Palestine can do? How can you make peace with an oversized bully who wants you gone? Accept the theft of their land without saying a word? Exile themselves? Would you do it yourself?

    That's right. I agree. Hamas are no angels, of course, but at least, you can tell where they're from.

    It's been a couple of times since I answered you on this one, and I have yet to get a feedback.

    No, they can't. Likewise, the US can't nuke Iran, for exemple. Same reason: Even thought it would be theorically possible, the aftermath would be much worse than what it was before. The backlash. But hey, ignore this answer if you will, but at least have the civility to cease asking the question.

    Who says they were afraid? The party that preceded them were corrupt to the core. Abbas sold his soul to Israel and look where it got him and the West Bank. That's the kind of "leader" you would elect yourself?

    Come on.
     

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