Surprising Ties between Israel and the Kurds

When the Brits were also given the Mandate for Mesopotamia the creation of Kurdistan was shelved... the Kurds lost yet another opportunity for <Self Determination>...
As the world is in a constant flux and the events of ISIS in Iraq are to dethrone Maliki, the problem of the Kurds becomes relevant today.

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Surprising Ties between Israel and the Kurds
~by Ofra Bengio
Middle East Quarterly
Summer 2014 (view PDF)

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Kurdish Jews arrive in Israel. Following the establishment of the state of Israel, Kurdish feelings toward the Jews were transformed into a certain admiration and the urge to imitate Jewish success in the new state. Relations were characterized by mutual trust that became an important asset for ties in modern times. In turn, Kurdish Jews who migrated to Israel in the 1940s and early 1950s became excellent ambassadors for the Kurds of Iraq, publicizing and pleading their cause among the Israeli public.

In 1966, Iraqi defense minister Abd al-Aziz al-Uqayli blamed the Kurds of Iraq for seeking to establish "a second Israel" in the Middle East. He also claimed that "the West and the East are supporting the rebels to create [khalq] a new Israeli state in the north of the homeland as they had done in 1948 when they created Israel. It is as if history is repeating itself."[1] An Arab commentator had warned earlier that if such a thing should happen, "the Arabs will face within two decades their second nakba [catastrophe] after Palestine."[2] These contentions speak volumes regarding Iraq's threat perceptions of the Kurds more than four decades after the establishment of the Iraqi state. They also conceptualize Israel as the ultimate evil in the region. Such accusations are echoed today by some Arab media, which claim that Kurdistan is following in the footsteps of "Yahudistan" ("Land of the Jews").[3] Seen from the Kurdish and Israeli perspectives, these linkages and parallels are intended to demonize and delegitimize both while also implying illegitimate relations between them. The intriguing questions are therefore what kind of relations exist between Israel and the Kurds?

 

Israel has been supplying arms and advisors to the Barzani family of Kurds since the early 1950s.. stirring up strife in Iraq and Turkey.

 

The Kurds will become a good tactical advantage.
But someone should be wary that this guys do have an agenda of their own.
It will create more chaos than peace regulations.

 

I did basic research about the Kurds. As it turns out they are by and large Muslims who are sympathetic to the Palestinian plight. They may see themselves in the same situation as the Palestinians. And they maybe hesitant to trust who they may perceive as an oppressor.

 

No surprising Israel always supported the Kurds and also supported PKK.

 

That's right, especially Turkish Kurds are very sympathetic to Palestinian plight. Diyarbakir is the largest Kurd dominated city in South Eastern Turkey where they burned many Israeli flags last week during pro-palestine protests. Barzani and his supporters are minority while 20 million pro-palestinean Kurds live in North.


Israel builds castles in the air.

 

Is this good or bad?

 

Thanks for the information... But I know more about the Kurds than many... Have a nice day.

 

Kurds are Muslim.

They will support Palestine.

 

Israel wanted a pipeline from Kurdish Iraq.. See Massoud and Mustapha Barzani.

 

They do not need it now, they are exporting part of their finds. A pipeline is being built from Israel to Egypt...

 

and I know about the 20 million Kurds

 

What is the name of the pipeline.. As far as I know one already exists.

Do you remember that in the two months before Bush attacked Iraq Netanyahu and Chalabi were crowing to the press that they would get a pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa to replace the one they destroyed in Dec 1948?

 

The Kurds will not support Palestine. They know that Hamas allows ISIS into Gaza. Fatah were pro Saddam. They are a people surrounded by enemies and who are pro western.

 

By 1952 the Israelis wanted an oil pipeline from the Kirkuk/Mosul area to Haifa like they had before they firebombed the refinery at Haifa in December 1947 so they began supplying arms to the Kurds and Mossad advisors.

 

Since Palestine opened a consulate in Iraqi Kurdistan a few years ago , it clearly shows theres mutual support.

source :http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2011/11/state5614.htm



Hamas does not equal ISIL, no matter what Israel says

"Mr Netanyahu’s depiction of Hamas and ISIL as “branches of the same poisonous tree” is a travesty of the truth. The two have entirely different – in fact, opposed – political projects.

Members of Hamas may disagree on that state’s territorial limits but even the most ambitious expect no more than the historic borders of a Palestine that existed decades ago. ISIL, by contrast, aims to sweep away Palestine and every other Arab state.

That is the key to interpreting the very different, if equally brutal, events depicted in the two images.

ISIL killed Foley, dressed in Guantanamo-style orange jumpsuit, purely as spectacle – a graphic message to the world of its menacing intent. Hamas’s cruelty was directed at those in Gaza who collaborate with Israel, undermining hope of liberation from Israel’s occupation.

ISIL’s 20,000 foot soldiers have taken over large chunks of Iraq and Syria in a murderous and uncompromising campaign against anyone who rejects not only Islam but their specific interpretation of it.

According to reports last week, Hamas leader Khaled Meshal joined Mr Abbas in demanding the most diminutive Palestinian state possible, inside the 1967 borders.

Mr Netanyahu, meanwhile, refuses to negotiate with either Hamas or the Palestinian Authority (PA) of Mahmoud Abbas.

In casting Hamas as ISIL, Mr Netanyahu has tarred all Palestinians as bloodthirsty Islamic extremists. And here we reach Israel’s true goal in equating the two groups.

Mr Netanyahu’s comparison has a recent parallel. Immediately after the 9/11 attacks on the US, Ariel Sharon made a similar equivalence between Al Qaeda and the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

Israel’s intelligence officials even called the destruction of the Twin Towers a “Hanukkah miracle”, a view echoed by Mr Netanyahu years later. All understood that 9/11 reframed the Oslo-inspired debate about the Palestinians needing statehood to one about an evil axis of Middle East terror.

Sharon revelled in calling Arafat the head of an “infrastructure of terror”, justifying Israel’s crushing the uprising of the second intifada.

Similarly, Mr Netanyahu’s efforts are designed to discredit all – not just the Islamic variety of – Palestinian resistance to Israel’s occupation. He hopes to be the silent partner to Barack Obama’s new coalition against ISIL.

Aaron David Miller, an adviser to several US administrations on Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, warned in Foreign Policy last week that the rise of ISIL would pose a serious setback to Palestinian hopes of statehood – a point underscored by the far greater concerns about ISIL than the Palestinians’ plight expressed by Arab League delegates at this week’s meeting in Cairo.

How Mr Netanyahu plans to follow Sharon in exploiting this opportunity was demonstrated last week, when Israeli intelligence revealed a supposed Hamas plot to launch a coup against the PA.

The interrogation of Hamas officials, however, showed only that they had prepared for the possibility of the PA’s rule ending in the West Bank, either through its collapse under Israeli pressure or through a disillusioned Mr Abbas handing over the keys to Israel.

But talk of Hamas coups has melded with other, even wilder stories, such as the claims last week from foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman that ISIL cells had formed in the West Bank and inside Israel. Defence minister Moshe Yaalon underscored this narrative by hurriedly classifying ISIL as a “proscribed” organisation.

All this fear-mongering is designed both to undermine the Palestinian unity government between Hamas and Fatah, and to sanction Israel’s behaviours by painting a picture, as after 9/11, of an Israel on the front line of a war against global terror.

“Israel’s demands for a continued Israeli presence [in the West Bank] and a lengthy withdrawal period will only harden further,” wrote Mr Miller.

In reality, Israel should share common cause with Palestinian leaders, from Fatah and Hamas, against ISIL. But, as ever, Mr Netanyahu will forgo his country’s long-term interests for a short-term gain in his relentless war to keep the Palestinians stateless.



Jonathan Cook is an independent journalist based in Nazareth


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In my opinion any reasonably ethical North American political leader would support an independent Kurdish State.

It is the only way to assist them to prevent more ethnic cleansing of Kurds.

 

Irael fights by proxy. Why wouldn't they use the kurds as bullet magnets?

 

Wanting the Kurds to be independent and have <self determination> means according to you <stirring up strife in Iraq and Turkey.>

Well part of Iraq is ancient Kurdistan and a great part of Turkey is also Kurdistan...
Do you have anything to ad to that?

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Do you have anything that would substantiate the above?

 

There are photos of Barzani with the Mossad in 1952.. Israel supplied the rebel faction with small arms because they wanted a pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa.

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The Kurds were Bedouin until they began to settle around the oilfields of Iraq.. That's why they are scattered in Lebanon, Turkey, Syria and even southern Russia,

 

The sec Israel will support the PKK Turkey will severe all trade with it,

But politicly speaking, why shouldnt it ? after all Turkey supports Hamas.

 

In the ME, its not about WHO says he hates you, but HOW he says it.

 

Maybe they spit in the Oil tankers they sell us, Know what ? we dont care....

 

Very true.................

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Are you buying oil tankers?

 

Kurdistan would be a natural Israel Ally, I think Israel should tell Turkey to bugger off and give full military support to the Kurdish state.