The Most Practical Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

The Most Practical Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Can the two current proposed solutions bring peace to the region?
Two possible solutions exist to the seemingly intractable, centuries-old conflict between Arabs and Jews in the Holy Land. But is that really true . . . or is there a more sensible alternative?

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Given its land in Gaza?????

Oh brother.. Gaza never belonged to the Jews much less to European immigrants.

 

The Gaza Strip is part and parcel of Israel... There are NO EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS in Israel, these are Jews returning home...

Your nonsensical statement is akin <declaring publicly> that Bali is not Indonesia!

That Gaza is now populated by Egyptians, Saudis, North Africans in addition to Muslims from Europe (who BTW are the most violent) does not make it a State but rather an enclave of Pirates who are a detriment to any society (even Arab)...

The laissez faire attitude of P.M. Netanyahu as far as Gaza is concerned does not make it Legal for them to squeeze independence from the mother ship which is 'Israel'.

Another person replacing Mr. Netanyahu will state exactly my own sentiment... It is a fact that Gaza has been an impediment to Israel and the Free World has been paying Millions of Dollars to keep these Terrorists alive...

 

Utter Dreck - which devious ZioNazis hope gullible Goyim would swallow . Most "Jews" amongst themselves aren't stupid enough to believe.

"AshkeNazis are not the descendants of the Ancient Israelites

http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashkenazis.are.not.the.descendants.of.the.Ancient.Israelites.htm

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Frankly I do not give a darn for what you emote here... a Jew is a Jew does not matter from where he comes.
Ancient Israelites are the Jews of today notwithstanding all the hocus pocus to derail this thread.

 

Your claim is just plain unadulterated B - S .

"Who Are the Israelites Today?

Even asking the question presupposes that there are reservations about the identity of the modern-day Jew and his relationship to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. For the majority of Christians the answer is a foregone conclusion. Ask this question of the average person claiming to be a Christian, and he will quickly tell you: "The true descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are those people today who call themselves Jews." Yet in light of that answer, we should know that the Bible makes it very clear that there are imposters masquerading as Israelites although no Israelite blood flows through their veins. The book of Revelation informs us of this deception and the identity of these blasphemers:


I [Yeshua] know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the blasphemy by those [imposters] who say they are Jews [Judahites] and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9)

In other words, there are those who claim to be of the house of Judah or Judahites, and therefore Israelites, but who in reality are imposters identified by Yeshua (Jesus’ given Hebrew name) as a synagogue of Satan. We find a double witness to this statement in Revelation 3:


... I [Yeshua], will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews [Judahites], and are not, but lie - behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you. (Revelation 3:9)

Modern-day Jews themselves verify the truth of these passages in what they say and write, although in many cases their admissions are not meant for non-Jewish eyes or ears.

Reprinted below is the first sentence of the first chapter of The (1980) Jewish Almanac:

JEWISH ALMANAC

IDENTITY CRISIS

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE TERMS FOR "JEW"

"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew."1
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This is a remarkable admission. Read it again and let it really sink in!

Furthermore, in the San Diego Union (August 28, 1966) Leo Heiman quoted Nathan M. Pollock, a professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, who, after spending forty of his sixty-four years in research, confirmed the preceding statement from The Jewish Almanac:


Nathan M. Pollock has a beef with the Israeli government.

His elaborate plans to celebrate this September the 1,000th anniversary of the Jewish Khozar alliance were summarily rejected.

An elderly meek-looking man who migrated to Israel from Russia 43 years ago, Pollock ekes out a living as a translator of Scientific texts and proofreader in publishing firms.

But his great passion, hobby and avocation is historic research.

He has devoted 40 of his 64 years to trying to prove that six out of 10 Israelis and nine out of 10 Jews in the Western Hemisphere are not real Jews' Jews, but descendants of fierce Khozar tribes which roamed the steppes of southern Russia many centuries ago.

For obvious reasons the Israeli authorities are not at all eager to give the official stamp of approval to Pollock's theories.

"For all we know, he may be 100 per cent right," said a senior government official. "In fact, he is not the first one to discover the connection between Jews and Khozars. Many famous scholars, Jews and non-Jews, stressed these links in their historical research works."

In the year 965 the Khozars were defeated for the first time in 500 years by Prince Sviatoslav of Kiev. King Bulan of Khozaria concluded that Prince Sviatoslav emerged victorious from the war because his troops and mercenaries were Christians, while his nomads were pagan worshippers. The king and his nobles embraced Judaism in 965, and in 966 a royal edict was passed enforcing Judaism as the only legal religion in the Khozar Kingdom. Tribesmen had to undergo circumcision, learn Hebrew prayers, and recognize Jewish rabbis as their spiritual leaders – on pain of death.

This also would explain why so many European Jews are blond and blue eyed, with a slight Mongol slant to their eyes, as well as the total absence of Semitic features among many Israelis of European descent.

The flourishing Jewish-Khozar Kingdom was destroyed in 1239 by the Mongol invasion of Balu Khan.

Following the Mongol invasion and conquest, surviving members of Jewish-Khozar tribes trekked west and settled in Poland, Hungary, Bohemia, Austria, Romania, and the Ukraine (Russia).

According to Pollack, whose parents came from Poland, if your name is Halperin, Alpert, Halpern, Galpern, etc., you are 100 per cent Khozar. "Alper" means "brave knight" in the Khozar tongue, and the name was granted by the king to the most distiguished warriors. Names like Kaplan, Caplon, Koppel, and the like, are positive proof of Khozar descent, according to the scholar. "Kaplan" means "fierce hawk" in the Khozar language. Kogan, Kagan, Kaganovich show aristocratic descent from Kagan, Hagan, King Bulan’s chief-minister.2

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What sort of name is BENDOR - ? Where did they come from ?



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Gaza was never part of Israel... Remember the story of Samson????

Gaza was Egyptian just like the Sinai...

1 million of the people who live there are refugees driven from the West Bank and the Negev by the European Jewish immigrants.

 

There is a great deal of new archeological evidence available on the Khazaria website...

A Resource for Turkic and Jewish History in Russia and Ukraine

http://www.khazaria.com/

I think Bendor may be afraid to read it.

 

Apparently you are misinformed and the emotional distress is showing.
a) the Sinai was never Egyptian... A Line from El Arish/Rafa to Suez was the Easter border of Egypt during the Ottoman Empire that ruled for 400 years. From this border Eastward was a no man's land and the Turks asked the Egyptian at the time to Patrol it for them (this in itself does not make the area from the El Arish/Rafa to Suez line Eastward Egyptian by any measure).

b) The Gaza strip was cleared of the Egyptian Army which (BTW Egypt never absorbed in its realm from 1948...)
It is part and parcel of Israel notwithstanding what you think.

 

Does anyone question people of the world (with the intention of demeaning them) if they opted for Islam or Christianity as their religion of choice?

Why is it then a problem for you and many others here if any one opts for Judaism as their religion of choice? Hmmm

 

There were many different time periods and dynasties of the Egyptian Empire.



- click to enlarge.

Go read and learn .

 

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http://worldhistory-yhs.wikispaces.com/Ancient+Egypt+Maps

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click to enlarge. Map of Egypt's territorial control during New Kingdom 15th Century - BC

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Choosing/ adopting a religion does not entitle one to land rights and displacing the indigenous residents ., does it ? If I opted for Islam , can I claim a small oil well in Saudi ?





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No, but ISIS would probably welcome you. You'll need to get your head chopping skills up to date though.

 

. How about posting something informative ?

Zzzzzz.....

 

Heh, you first!

 

Something informative to a Neturei Karta adherent.

From: Very very brilliant and clever letter.

Unfortunately the international hypocrisy of all such political persons will not give them the courage to recognize the status of the State of Israel, fighting always for his survival.

Never mind, outside and inside our small but strong state, Am Israel Haï !!!

Cheers,

British Foreign Secretary, William Hague, warned Israel that if it sent troops into Gaza to confront Hamas, it risked losing the sympathy of the international community.

A Jewish woman in Britain, Mindy Wiesenberger, sent the following letter to Mr. Hague, in response. The letter has been published in many newspapers, including the Times of Israel.

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Dear Mr. Hague

You have stated that if Israel tries to defend its population through a ground offensive in Gaza 'it risks losing the sympathy of the international community.'

Let me tell you something about the sympathy of the international community Mr. Hague.

My father was liberated from Buchenwald concentration camp in 1945, having lost his entire family but gaining the sympathy of the international community at the time.

After 6 million Jews had been annihilated at the hands of the Nazi regime, the international community had plenty of sympathy for the Jewish people. There is always plenty of sympathy for victims.

Israel doesn't need the sympathy of the international community. What it needs is to defend its citizens.

When as a tiny country it gained its independence in 1948 it had to absorb 800,000 Jews who were thrown out of Arab lands in the Middle East, and it did so without fuss and with dignity giving them shelter and a place of security in which their children could grow up to become productive citizens. When Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria tried to destroy Israel in 1948 and again in 1967 they took in hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs, but did they give them dignity or
shelter? No, they left them to rot in refugee camps in order to maintain
a symbol of grievance against Israel and use them as a political tool against the Jewish state.

What has arisen in those camps is a complicated situation, but it is what has led to Gaza today.

So don't lecture Israel on international sympathy Mr. Hague. Not when Israel has just sent in 120 trucks loaded with food into Gaza to feed the Palestinian people there, because their own leadership is more interested in using its population as human shields, launching rockets against Israel from within major civilian centers.

Don't lecture Israel on international sympathy Mr. Hague. Not when Israel targets, with as much military precision as it can, only terrorists and their bases, trying its utmost to prevent civilian casualties.

Don't lecture Israel on international sympathy Mr. Hague. Not when the Palestinian media deliberately uses images of victims of the Syrian civil war and presents them as casualties in Gaza to gain international sympathy.

Go read your history books Mr. Hague, go see that since the beginning of the twentieth century all the Arabs wanted to do was destroy Israel.

Go look at the country of Israel now since the Jews have established a state there.

Go read what advances in science, medicine, biotechnology,
agriculture and high tech Israel has developed, and dedicated that
knowledge to making the world a better place for humanity. Can you
imagine any other country that after 60 years of continuously being under attack could have achieved so much.

So Mr. Hague don't lecture Israel on international sympathy. Israel will do whatever it takes to defend itself from outright attack on its citizens, whether it be from Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran or any other country or terrorist group that attacks it.

And if it loses the sympathy of the international community so be it.

We don't need the international community's sympathy. We don't need another 6 million victims.

 

Narrow minded Crap. Here are the facts :

"What British Jews really think about the Gaza conflict


The British Jewish community is often portrayed as being united on Israel &#8211; but opinion is far more complex and wide-ranging than that

"It suits a variety of agendas to claim that British Jews are largely united in support for Israel during this current round of conflict. Israelis and those who approve of Israel&#8217;s actions find succour in this supposed homogeneity. Conversely, Palestinians and those who support them outside the region point to what they regard as the heroic minority of Jews who share their views and in doing so hope to forestall accusations of antisemitism.

In truth though, the situation is more complex and more ambiguous. While surveys have shown that a large majority of British Jews &#8211; like Jews elsewhere in the diaspora &#8211; believe in a Jewish state and identify with Israel, there has been a significant fragmentation over the question of Israel in recent years.

A variety of positions on Israel have emerged since the outbreak of the second intifada in 2000. These range from Jewish anti-Zionists on one side, to the religious, settlement-supporting right at the other. Perhaps most significantly, the centre of the British Jewish Israel &#8220;map&#8221; has split into different factions, including those who believe Israel must always be publicly supported, those who are prepared to countenance a variety of broadly Zionist views, and those who feel that Israel must be pushed hard to achieve a two-state solution.

Some Jewish institutions incorporate &#8211; sometimes uncomfortably &#8211; those who hold to a variety of positions, and new institutions have emerged to fight for one particular position, such as Yachad, the &#8220;pro-Israel pro-peace&#8221; organisation that occupies similar territory to J-Street in the US.

One of the key moments in this process of fragmentation was Operation Cast Lead in 2008-9. Not only was the organisation of what is now the almost-traditional Jewish community rally in support of Israel made much more difficult as some Jewish leaders found it hard to offer unambiguous support for Israel&#8217;s actions, towards the end of the conflict some mainstream Jewish leaders were beginning to express significant criticism of Israel.

One might have assumed then that this current operation &#8211; Protective Edge &#8211; which is militarily quite similar to Cast Lead, would occasion a similar or even greater level of plurality of views from British Jews. Yet at first glance this doesn&#8217;t seem to have happened. A rally in support of Israel was held last weekend, and only Jews for Justice for Palestinians and similar groups have taken a strong stance against Israel.

It certainly frustrates some Jews who are critical of Israel when the diversity that has emerged in quieter times seems to collapse back into solidarity for Israel during times of conflict. But there are good reasons why even those Jews who have no love for the current Israeli government are finding it hard to oppose at the moment. One factor is that while the Hamas-Israel conflict is still asymmetric, it is less asymmetric than previous rounds: Hamas has more and better missiles. These missiles are causing deep fear and suffering in Israel &#8211; not of course on the same level of suffering that is happening in Gaza, but still very real &#8211; and in a community where over 90% have visited Israel it&#8217;s easy to empathise with Israelis under fire.

Another factor is the upsurge of violent antisemitism in France and elsewhere in Europe, linked to Gaza-related protests. Although the situation in the UK is less severe, the perceived lack of seriousness with which the Palestinian solidarity movement has responded to these outbreaks hardly helps to create a situation conducive to Jewish empathy with the Palestinians.

At the same time, there are also reasons to think that, for many British Jews, support for Israel is far from unconditional. The pro-Israel rally held last weekend attracted only a fraction of the thousands that have attended similar rallies in the past &#8211; leading to criticism from some Israel supporters that the community is not supporting Israel enough.

I have been struck in my talks with British Jewish leaders and opinion formers, and in my interactions in social media, by how much discomfort there is with the toll that this conflict is taking on Gazans, even as they see no way of preventing it. For example, on the BBC&#8217;s Today programme yesterday, leading the leader of the Reform Judaism movement in Britain Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner said she was &#8220;completely heartbroken&#8221; by what is going on and that she feels &#8220;empathy for both sides&#8221;, yet she did not go so far as to say that Israel&#8217;s actions are wrong.

This will undoubtedly be dismissed as the worst kind of hand-wringing liberalism by pro-Palestinian activists and even many supporters of Israel. But this ambivalence is a common emotion in the British Jewish community, although it is hard to know just how common.

What is likely to happen is that the longer this conflict continues and Palestinian and Israeli casualties mount up, so this ambivalence is likely to increase and, for some at least, develop into criticism of the Israeli government&#8217;s actions. This will be too little too late for supporters of the Palestinians and too much too soon for many supporters of Israel. But what is clear is that the British Jewish community&#8217;s relationship to Israel is more complex than it is often portrayed and British Jews are more heterogeneous bunch than they are often portrayed.



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/23/british-jews-gaza-conflict-jewish-community

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The Jewish apartheid state has no rights to defend land that they ethically cleansed for it's Jewish population. While the Israeli Jews who support that, voted in the governments who make those warcrimes, and were part of the institude who carries out those warcrimes in the name of it's Jewish population,.... are not innocent by a long shot, but are supporters of hideous warcrimes and or warcriminals themselves.

While resistance against racist oppression through violence is totally acceptable,...
and that is according to Nelson Mandela. A man who got labelled as a terrorist.

 

In western countries, there is and has been a very vocal and massive group of ethnic Jews who fanatically lobby, with great success, their own western governments to let Israel ethnically cleanse Arabs without any consequences for decades. This can not be overlooked.

That the entire Jewish minority in western countries are held accountable for the massive and vocal group who support warcrimes, is a public relation problem they create themselves by never massively being vocally openly against those Jewish lobby groups.... ever.

 

If this is the 'NETUREI KARTA' I hope they will be cursed like all the anti Jews populating this forum.

 

Again for the benefit of ALL antagonists. Israel is trying desperately (according to me) to shy away from the two States Solution that has so far brought only wars and bloodshed...

One has to emulate Czechoslovakia that defied all odds and separated into Czech and Slovakia it was called the 'velvet' separation... Another example is Andalous governed by the hordes of Islam for 899 years when they were expelled from Spain in 1609 CE... Third the Separation of Pakistan from India 8 Million in each direction...(the Muslims went north and formed Pakistan) and (8 Million Hindus went south to be with their own people)

 

Good. Then you'll agree that Israelis should stay within the borders you were given in 1947 and stop stealing property and land which does not belong to you. Of course if you're proud that your country is called a bunch of thieves by the global community, then that's your privilege.

 

The borders of 1947 is irrelevent nowdays because of the simple reason that the seperation plan that the UN sugested to the Jews and the Arabs the one that rejected it was the Arabs, so to say that Israel need to return to the borders of 1947 is nonesense when the Arabic side dont want the borders of 1947.
And for the excutation that Israel is stealing land is wrong because of the simple fact that most of the land that were belong to the Arabs, the Arabs themselves sold to the Jews, so there is no stealing going on.

 

Really? So, in your opinion Zionist squatters 'settling' on Palestinian land is a completely legitimate and above board activity, despite the rest of the world including the UN (which, for some reason, Israel is a member of), being in condemnation of the illegality of the practise?