Whitehouse Don't Let Aleppo Be Another Item On Syria Screw-up List!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    The Syrian National Coalition, the umbrella group for moderate Syrian rebel groups - the rebels America and the West backs, this past Saturday asked for the U.S. government to use its air power to save the rebels in Aleppo from the Islamic State. President Barack Obama should largely grant their request, specifically he should commit to use America's Air power in a two fold manner here; first to make and preserve solely by using U.S. air power to make a sixty mile wide corridor from the city of Aleppo to the border of Turkey so the moderate rebels can continue to get supplies and second restrict U.S. air power to only being used against the Islamic State not Syrian military forces if that ever becomes an issue.


    The reasons why President Obama should do this include. The moderate Syrian rebels are being surrounded at Aleppo by Syrian government forces from the South and Islamic State fighters from the North if they aren't helped it is only a matter of time before they will fall and this is largely the last stronghold for moderate Syrian rebels in Syria and the consensus amongst military experts is that if they fall essentially the Syrian moderate rebel movement is dead. This development would basically leave two sides in the Syrian War the Islamic State against Syrian government forces. Today the Islamic State is extremely strong they essentially are in control of two large provinces "Ar Raqqah" and "Dayr az Zawr" about twenty percent of the country if Aleppo falls to them it will only be a matter of a few months before they consolidate control over most of the province of Aleppo and the northern province of "al Hasakeh" they will essentially be in control of the northern one third of Syria that is enough territory to say they are in control of a significant size country and they will be well armed from all the weapons they are getting from Syrian military bases they are overrunning. The Islamic State is estimated to have fifty thousand fighters in Syria and currently is gaining around five thousand fighters a month. This is a barbaric terrorist organization whose leaders have vowed to take their fight to the United States.


    President Obama cannot let this threat to America rise up without trying to stop it by giving the moderate rebels this safe zone around Aleppo. If President Obama wants a compelling political reason to help these Syrian rebels it is this if he does nothing and Aleppo falls to the Islamic State and the Islamic State consolidates control in Northern Syria and becomes a military force juggernaut with America in its sites like they can readily do Democrats are going to pay dearly for it come the November elections; the American people are going to be thinking the Democrats cannot handle national security for America let's get the Republicans in there to fix things.


    Another reason for President Obama to intervene here is that the Islamic State isn't restricted by borders so after consolidating their control in Northern Syria they will probably have a well armed army numbering one-hundred thousand soldiers looking to fight and its leader Abu Baghdadi fancies himself as some savior to the Sunni Islamic religion and sees as his mission eradicating the apostate Shia faith from the Islamic religion so anyone with common sense can see him embarking on a march to takeover the Iraqi cities of Karbala and Najaf and destroy the Shia holy shrines which will put American military advisors and state department personnel in Iraq in harms way so to protect these Americans the President could order this safe zone around Aleppo to block the Islamic State from gaining control of Northern Syria.


    Another reason to help the moderate Syrian rebels around Aleppo is that if they have a victory at Aleppo that may turn the tide for them in the war. A lot of the ordinary rank and file fighters in the Islamic state along with the indigenous population in Syria will likely get sick of the Islamic States brutal violence in imposing their orthodox Islamic faith and if the moderate Syrian rebels are standing in the wings as a viable force to give them their freedom these entities may back the moderate Syrian rebels and the Syrian army at this stage of the war is not that strong Islamic state forces went through these forces at the Syrian military bases over the past several weeks in Raqqa province like a hot knife through butter. Plus, if the politicians in Baghdad learn from the disastrous "massively discriminatory" Maliki government and commit to changing Iraq's constitution to guarantee only unity governments going forward the Sunni, Shia and Kurdish Iraqi people could readily unite and with the now warranted help of U.S. air power would roll up the Islamic state in Iraq quickly and if the Syria National Coalition is fighting the Islamic State in Syria the world could soon see a permanent end to this evil organization.


    One other benefit of America helping the moderate Syrian rebels around Aleppo is that a lot of the weapons that the Islamic State has used to roll up Syrian rebel forces in the cities and towns of Syria is American made equipment that IS got from Iraqi troops that folded in and around Mosul during their battles over the last few months. If America throws a lifeline to the Syrian rebels here it will help make amends for America not speaking up to try to stop the unprofessional Iraqi army that existed around Mosul the American government should have picked-up that these Iraqi forces were not a legitimate military force they were extorting money from the local population and the local population hated them and they should have put their foot down that no more military equipment would be transferred to the Iraqi army until its trustworthy but that would have hurt America's military complex in the pocketbook.

    If President Obama does order the U.S. military and intelligence services to help the moderate rebels in Aleppo I sure hope these services move at the speed they helped Kurdish forces around Erbil it was amazing literally within a week from President Obama's decision to help the Kurds the CIA actually delivered weapons to the Kurdish Peshmerga forces, somebody ought to tell the boys in the CIA Syria is a country that just borders the country of Iraq!
     
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    What evidence is there that the 'moderate' rebels are our allies? Pretty much none. If anything, they are the allies of ISIS. Let them exterminate each other.

    ISIS isn't a threat to the US. And they are nowhere near being a military juggernaut. We need something a bit more compelling before we intervene in a nation's internal affairs, don't you think?

    What? Why do we care what happens to Iraq or Syria? Syria is no friend to the US, whoever eventually wins there and Iraq kicked us out of the country not so long ago. We should pull out our military advisors and when the fighting gets close, pull out the state dept. people too.

    Tell me again why we care who wins this civil war. Why should we spend money and risk lives to save Syrians? Who made us the world police and why do they not pay us taxes?

    Why do we need to apologize or make up for an Iraqi governmental and military failure?

    Another stupid intervention in a region that does not love us because we intervene. If we stop picking at it, maybe it'll heal.
     
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    Is all Assad's fault...
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    Kerry Blames Assad Regime for Deadly Attack on Syrian Kids' Hospital
    Apr 29, 2016 | Syria and Russia denied responsibility Thursday for a devastating airstrike on a pediatric hospital in Aleppo supported by Doctors Without Borders that killed at least 50 and left the so-called "cessation of hostilities" in shreds.
     
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    Potential for ‘Unparalleled’ Humanitarian Catastrophe in Aleppo...
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    UN: Aleppo at Risk of ‘Unparalleled’ Humanitarian Catastrophe
    August 22, 2016 — The United Nations aid chief warned Monday that Syria is the greatest humanitarian crisis of our time and there “is a race against time” to save hundreds of thousands of besieged civilians with food, water and medical supplies.
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    UN Welcomes Russian Words on Aleppo Truce, Says Aid Trucks Are Ready
    August 18, 2016 — Russia said Thursday that it would support a 48-hour cease-fire in Aleppo, a move the U.N. Syria envoy said would allow aid to reach besieged areas soon, as long as all sides respected the temporary truce. Moscow said it was ready to start the first "humanitarian pause" next week.
     
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    Aleppo hospital hit again...
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    Hospital in Rebel-held Part of Aleppo Is Bombed Again
    October 01, 2016 - Relief workers said the largest remaining Syrian hospital in the rebel-held eastern half of the city of Aleppo was bombed Saturday for the second time in recent days, as Syrian government forces and their Russian allies pressed their deadly offensive to recapture the entire city.
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    Russia's Syria Campaign Seen Purely as Bid to Prop Up Assad
    September 30, 2016 — The Russian air force's bombing campaign in Syria marked its first anniversary Friday, with Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov saying there was no "time frame" for the operation.
     
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    Well, it's about time they came to this conclusion...
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    UN declares Syria's east Aleppo 'besieged'
    Thursday 6th October, 2016: The rebel-held east of Syria's Aleppo has officially been declared a "besieged area", following a months-long government offensive and a lack of access for aid workers, the UN said Wednesday (Oct 5).
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    Life under siege
    Wed, 05 Oct 2016 - Some 250,000 people are trapped in rebel-held parts of a city at the centre of Syria's war - where do they get their food and are the children going to school?
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - Assad an' Russians is barbarians...
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    U.N.: Aleppo a 'slaughterhouse' where Russian, Syrian airstrikes are 'historic' war crimes
    Oct. 21, 2016 -- United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein on Friday said Aleppo is a "slaughterhouse" where Russian and Syrian airstrikes constitute war crimes of "historic proportions."
     
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    No-fly zone needed over Aleppo...
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    Hospital Workers Rush to Evacuate Infants in Aleppo Bombing
    Nov 18, 2016 | Doctors and nurses at a pediatric hospital in Aleppo scrambled to evacuate babies to safety after the facility was bombed.
     
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    Syrian gov't. holding fleeing Aleppo residents hostage...
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    Monitor says Syrians being held by government in Aleppo
    November 30, 2016 - The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Wednesday the Syrian government had detained hundreds of people forced to flee rebel-held areas of east Aleppo by a fierce attack aimed at taking back the whole city.
     
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    Mr Obama is not president of Syria. Assad is and you need to bring this matter to his attention, not to anyone else.
     

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