Big Bang ushers in the heavens and the earth...?

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    This first page of the Cosmic unfolding is inter=active and allows the reader to click on underlined words which are links to more information:

    In the beginning, 13.5 billion years ago, the forces of Nature created with a Big Bang the heaven and, ultimately, the seven layers of the Earth.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Genesis 1:2 seems correct, too...

    And the accretion disk that was to coalesce into the earth, it was without form, a mass of hot molten rocks that circled the Sun in a ring, and void of geometric shape; and darkness was upon the face of the deep thick disk.

    And the spirit of the beautiful harmony of the Natural Laws which required a Cause for every Effect, moved upon the circular face of the thick deep waters of particles and rocks spinning around the Sun.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would be an interesting exercise to re-write the bible utilizing our contemporary knowledge of the universe.

    Seems the old testament wouldn't hold up very well, and the new testament wouldn't fair that much better.
     
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    An accretion DISC has the form of a disc. The clue is in the name.
     
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    LOLOLOL. It does indeed..
     
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    Genesis fails as soon as it has the Earth being created before the sun and the stars. Impossible. Literally.

    Getting a major major part of it wrong right off the bat tells me that Genesis is not scientific, it's the result of stupid people(compared to the knowledge we have in our time) giving their best guesses as to what happened. Simple as that.
     
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    We can look into the sky and see plenty of nebulae, even with the naked eye.. How do you know that the one the Earth came from was in darkness?
     
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    lol, think it best just to admit the book of Genesis should never of been included in the bible, Science has disproved it

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    exactly, unfortunately for them, they guessed wrong...
     
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    Five layers.

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    They both appear fine as far as I could discern.

    Once we make the necessary adjustment for poorly interpreted ideas which used the wrong definitions or synonyms for a number of words, and adjust for the ancient times where the time scale is often misstated, it works out pretty good.

    For instance, the misused idea in Genesis 1:14-19, that the Hebrew word "made" means "created" is wrong.

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    The Sun was "made" as time keeper for the Solar Clock.
    It started measuring Earth time, while the Geological Clock of six "days" continues on:

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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    True, an ever growing larger disk of zillions of individual rocks was swelling up to the form of the Sphere shape ultimately...

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    You incorrectly joined the ancient interpreters who thought "made" meant "created."

    "Made," in English, can mean "create," of course.
    But in the Hebrew language the word meant "assigned authority" over the Sun:


    Gen. 1:16 And (The First Cause), “God,” (certainly had) made: [in the Hebrew: asah = appointed, ordained, instituted] two great lights (by which He might accomplish this), the greater light to rule the day, (i.e.; made to rule the Solar Clock), and the lesser light, (the Moon), to rule (the time of) the night, (by Calendar).

    Gen. 1:17 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), set: [Hebrew: nathan: appointed, assigned, designated] them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth (in circadian rhythm).

    Gen. 1:18 And to rule over the (cycle of the @12 hours) day and over the (cycle of the @12 hours) night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God, (Father Nature, Reality), saw that it was good.
     
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    The verse actually says the Earth was without form,... though the millions of rocks, spinning individually around in a disk, was dark on its ring as the photo shows above.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm,...
    Some figure different than others on this.

    But seven is God's favored number so I went with that classification:


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    The Geology of the Earth:
    1) Inner core
    2) Outer core
    3) Lower mantle
    4) Upper mantle
    5) Asthenosphere
    6) Lithosphere
    7) Crust(s)
     
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    This is also impossible as the moon would not exist without the Earth(and the sun) and the Earth would not exist without the sun. All three would not exist without previous stars exploding and seeding the primordial cloud that the sun and the planets eventually formed from. Seems that God left out some pretty big chunks in addition to getting the chronology impossibly wrong.
     
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    ?
    Gen 1:1 says God DID create the heavens, (Galaxies, Sun, moon, stars, etc).

    LOL
     
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    So you're saying that Genesis is flawed and widely open to interpretation but provides a "pretty good" depiction of how the world around us came in to existence.

    So what's your point?
     
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    One is left to wonder just how far you will eventually stretch Biblical text before it completely snaps in your mind. Either accept it as truth, or refrain from bastardising it to your liking....it is a bit painful to watch. Your understanding of much of the science is flawed to begin with, which leads to your "Interpretation" becoming increasingly elaborate each time these stories are called into question.

    Science has discovered a great many aspects of this universe through centuries of observation and experiment....it is almost an affront and insult to those who have done so, that you twist their efforts to explain the very things they have disproven.
     
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    I'm "saying that all previous interpretations are flawed and widely open to controversy, but the Bible provides a 'pretty accurate' depiction of how the world around us came in to existence."

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    LOL
    I do accept the bible as dead right.

    I am only bracketing commentary for dummies who never saw what it is saying to them.
     
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    Science has gradually developed such that it supports the Bible.

    But people start off saying the opposite.
    This is mostly because of all the bad interpretations from the Dark Ages.

    The bible readers used Plato and Aristotle as a guide.
    They made the Bible "say" things that were wrong.
    They were just dead wrong about the Bible, before science appeared.
     
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    Genesis 1:3-5 further describes something no one knew anything about.

    Until the end of the 20th century, then we discovered that visible light did not initial appear with the Big Bang.
    It was 400 million years later, after the universe had cooled much, that low intensity Light waves appeared from the stars.

    They flooded across the universe for the first time:

    The Bible is saying:

    "And, after 400 million years of a Cosmic Dark Age, the forces of Nature let there be light and there was light for the first time illuminating the Universe. And the forces of Nature saw that the visible electromagnetic light, that its energy frequency was good for seeing: and the forces of Nature divided the visible electromagnetic light waves from the darkness."

    "And the forces of Nature made the light for Day, wherever it illuminated, and the darkness was Night."

    "And the Cosmic Formative Duration of the Chaotian evening of the Bang expansion and the Cryptic morning of the Hadean eon on Geological Clock of six durations, were the first duration of Cosmic Time."


    (colored words are links)
     
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    Then again, it might hold up very well. Different time frames granted. Certainly different phraseology. But, in context...could hold up nicely.
     
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    If you consider the Big Bang to have been a creation event, then you don't really understand the Big Bang Theory.
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    Might as well just stick with the Turtle Theory©. ;)
     
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    Wait....Is are the Bibles "Dead Right", or do they say things that are "Dead Wrong"....they cannot be both.
     
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    This is the essence of the Science, an open mind without bias.

    When we come to Gen 1:9, the facts about Pangea, only discovered in 1920, make sense of what was written in 1362BC:


    And the forces of Nature let the seven (7) bodies of liquid waters under the heaven be gathered, together, unto one place, the Panthalassic Ocean, which first formed during the Neoarchean/Paleo-proterozoic eras of the third Geological duration, and let the dry land of
    Rodinia/Pangea
    appear in its midst: and it was so.

    And the forces of Nature gathered into one Pangea; i.e.; all the seven (7) continents of dry land, of all the Earth; and the gathering together of the waters are named the the Panthalassic Seas: and the forces of Nature saw to it, that it was good on going process of the tectonic plate system.

    (The colored words are links)
     
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