Jordan contacts NATO out of fear of IS expansion

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  1. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    Jordan and the USA have been "allies" for decades. Why aren't they turning to us for help? In addition, there are tens of thousands of refugees in Jordanian camps. Who is dropping humanitarian aid to them? And those in Turkey?

    What a mess. And, where is our Dear Leader?

    Read with links @ http://www.albawaba.com/news/jordan-nato-islamic-state-expansion-600475
     
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    Before going into a tantrum it is better to know who the enemy is first and foremost.


    who is Hamas? VIDEO

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgn2JPySmaU

    What is Hamas and why are they at war with Israel? VIDEO

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmlGcQUFmEA
     
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    Before requesting help from NATO I wish King Abdullah II to contact his Peace partner for help since his father started this problem.

    If the Majority of Arabs that came to Palestine at the wake of the Arab Legion commanded by British Officers would return back to Jordan Israel would be more than happy to help.

    People have to remember that Israel saved Jordan from a Syrian penetration with armor before... And what we get from the present King but backing the Arab propaganda and onslaught on Israel.
     
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    Half the population of Jordan were driven out of Israel in 1948 and 1967.


    The British ambassador in Amman said that his country and NATO would help Jordan deal with any threat from the Islamic State, a Saudi newspaper reported on Sunday.

    Jordan handed NATO secret security reports showing the expansion of the terrorist group in Iraq, including ideas to counter the group’s advance towards its territory, the Saudi newspaper Okaz reported.

    A NATO Summit is scheduled to begin on Thursday in Wales.

    The British ambassador to Jordan, Peter Millet, said his country and NATO are ready to coordinate with Jordan to deal with the danger it faces from the Islamic State. Millet added that the stability and security of the Hashemite Kingdom are a top priority for his government.

    Around 1,200 Jordanians are fighting in Syria with Islamic State, according to the report.

    Jordan's powerful intelligence services appear to be deploying their full range of tools to counter the threat. King Abdullah has said the country has never been better prepared to face the radical threat sweeping the region.

    Islamic State's gains have sparked a fierce debate among Jordanian Islamists from the Salafist movement on whether to back the group, whose brutality has been criticized even within radical Islamist circles.

    But buoyed by territorial gains, Islamic State’s sympathizers appear to be winning the argument.

    Meanwhile, King Abdullah met a visiting US congressional delegation on Sunday to discuss bilateral relations and developments in the region.

    Abdullah emphasized the importance of the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in order to achieve a two-state solution, Jordan News Agency Petra reported.
     
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    INCORRECT... apparently you and yours need a refresher course instead of parroting the fiction generated in 1948 where the Arabs were asked to leave and return after the triumphant Arab armies destroys the nascent State of Israel.


    More power to them... I hope ISIS do not give them a hard time.

    If he is so smart and knowledgeable why the UK and NATO then?

    Again more power to them.

    Now I understand that he cannot rely on his own people this is why the UK and NATO are in the picture.

    The man is speaking from both sides of his mouth.

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    What if by any chance ISIS give them a hard time and they lose valiant soldiers to a bunch of rag tag marauders?

    Asking the country of a 17 TRILLION Dollars deficit for a loan I presume.

    Selling Israel for his narrow gains and badmouthing Israel will get him an Olympic medal. LOL
     
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    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    If Jordan will be Palestine ( the ONLY solution to the Middle east's problem ) than ISIS will not invade them.
    ISIS and Palestinians are brothers.
     
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    Oh please... Hundreds of Arab villages were looted and destroyed... Same as they did in the Golan Heights in 1967.
     
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    Sustantiate the above.... oh P L E A S E :):):) I am sure you meant squatter's tents.
     
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    Around 400 Arab towns and villages were depopulated during the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Some places were entirely destroyed and left uninhabitable;[1][2] others were left with a few hundred residents and were repopulated by Jewish immigrants, then renamed.

    Towns and villages are arranged according to the subdistricts of Mandatory Palestine they were situated in.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...epopulated_during_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus

    I can produce dozens of other sources.. including statements from founding fathers of Israel.
     
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    Golly gee. 66 years ago and you can't let it go. :roll:
     
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    Look at the results and the ongoing theft of land and incremental genocide..

    Read the original documents.. Everyone with a brain knew it would turn out to be a festering sore for the next 50 years.
     
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    This is ALL <BALLONEY> to give yourself some substance parroting the big lie.


    Here is A collection of historical quotations relating to the Arab refugees:
    Collected ~by Moshe Kohn

    ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseini, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce ... They preferred to abandon their homes, belongings and everything they possessed."

    ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: "The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously..."

    ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs: "There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

    On February 19, 1949, THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote : "The Arab states... encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."

    ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had "assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade ... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states."

    ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee, Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy."

    ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: "The Arab governments told us, 'Get out so that we can get in.' So we got out, but they did not get in."

    THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: " ... the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries ... We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land."

    "FOLLOWING a visit to refugees in Gaza, a British diplomat reported the following: 'But while they express no bitterness against the Jews...they speak with the utmost bitterness of the Egyptians and other Arab states: 'We know who our enemies are,' they will say, and they are referring to their Arab brothers who, they declare, persuaded them unnecessarily to leave their homes." -

    IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal of the Beirut-based PLO, Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen"), PLO spokesman, wrote: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

    British Foreign Office Document #371/75342/XC/A/4991 [From "Revising or Devising Israel's History" by Prof. Shlomo Slonim in Jewish Action, Summer 5760/2000, Vol. 60 #4]

    This page was produced by Joseph E. Katz
    Middle Eastern Political and Religious History Analyst
    Brooklyn, New York



    The claim that the Arabs were driven out and turned into &#8220;refugees&#8221; was raised as early as the 1930s. This claim was investigated by the British, and completely rejected&#8230; and this at a time when British policy in Palestine was clearly moving from a pro-Zionist to a pro-Arab position. Two official British documents from the year 1937 deal with this claim. One is the report of the Peel Commission (Chapter 9, Par. 61), which relates that during the years 1920-1939, 688 Arab tenant farmers were removed from their land as a result of purchases made by the Jews. Five hundred twenty-six of the Arab farmers remained in some agricultural occupation, and four hundred received alternative plots of land in other locations. The second document is one of a series of memoranda prepared by the mandatory government and published in London (Colonial No. 133, p. 37). It contains the findings of the 1931 investigation of Lewis French, which totally refute the claim that the Zionist undertaking in Palestine caused the creation of "an entire landless people among the Palestinian Arabs". The memorandum notes that the total number of applications of registration as landless Arabs reached 3,271. Of these, the claims of 2,607 were rejected as not belonging to this category, and only 664 heads of families were recognized as having legitimate claims.
    Approximately half this number about 347 agreed to accept the government's offer of resettlement. The rest refused, either because they had found employment elsewhere, or because they were unaccustomed to the agricultural methods, such as irrigation, employed in the new locations&#8230; In his investigation of the hill country, where the Jewish purchases were minimal, Lewis French found that out of seventy-one Arab claims of eviction, sixty-eight were rejected (The Esco Foundation for Palestine, Inc., Vol. II, p. 716).

    And finally: What was the land ownership situation when the State of Israel was reconstituted in 1948? According to the official data published by the outgoing British mandatory administration before the establishment of the State (Survey of Palestine, 1946), only 8.6% of the land was in fact owned by Jews, while over 70% was state land, which had passed from Turkish to British authority and now to Israel, the legal heir of the British mandate.
    The remaining lands less than 33% belonged to "absentee Arab owners" and Arab landowners. The Arab owners who hastened to obey the call of their leaders "to clear the way for the Arab armies, which would annihilate the Jewish State", abandoned 16.9%. These landowners did not consider the possibility that the Jewish State would remain.

    The key to the entire problem lies in that large percentage of state land, most of which was in the Negev an unsettled area of approximately 12,557,00 Dunams, or close to 50% of the entire area (26,320,000) of mandatory Palestine. These lands had never been under Arab ownership, neither during the period of British rule nor even during the preceding Turkish regime. The contention heard repeatedly from Arab propagandists and some other with a deluded/incited Arab approach that 95% of the territory of Palestine had belonged to the Arabs - is, therefore, entirely without basis in fact. (These are factual documents that deluded Arabs i.e. Readers and others should take the time to check as they are now referenced).


    Have a nice time reading educating yourself and check on this theme projecting <REALITY and TRUTH>!!
     
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    Families always flee in wartime... Certainly the Jews fled Hitler... and no Jewish "authority" told them they had to escape. .... The attacks on the Arab villages began in 1947.

    Hell, they destroyed over 60 Druze Villages in the Golan Heights in 1967.
     
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    The history of the Golan... Mod edit,,flounder,,,2..

    In 1920 the 'League of Nations' included the Golan Heights into the original British Mandate for Palestine. The territory of the Mandate, where "the close settlement by Jews on the land" was encouraged, was tailored on the geographical borders of Eretz Yisrael; therefore, the Bashan region (the biblical name of the Golan Heights) was an inherent part of the Mandate.

    Although the terms of the Mandate were confirmed on July 24, 1922 by the Council of the League of Nations, and the Mandate was supposed to come into operation in September 1923, the British, in violation of the Mandate, gave the Heights to France in March 1923, and they became a part of the French Mandate of Syria-Lebanon or differently speaking 'the Levant'.

    The Golan fell under Syria's jurisdiction only in 1944 upon the termination of the French mandate. Since Syria controlled the Golan for 23 years and Israel has it for 47 years, it is hard to understand why a 23-year long claim should be considered more valid then the 47-year long one. Moreover, a big part of the Golan legally belongs to the state of Israel.


    In 1892, Baron Edmond de Rothschild bought 80,000 dunam of the Golan Heights from the Arabs. . In 1957 [he] transferred the deeds to the land to the Jewish national Fund (Keren Kaemet) and from there to the Land Office of Israel and to the Government of Israel. All deeds and other documents were transferred to Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs through an irrevocable power of attorney.

    Syria lost the Golan in an aggressive war. It is immoral to give the Golan to Syria, thus rewarding the aggressor. If Syria's claim can be considered legitimate, then Germany should be rewarded with big portions of real estate from Russia, Poland and Slovakia. On the other hand, when in September 1948 India invaded the state of Hyderabad to force it to join India, Hyderabad's appeal to the United Nations was ignored. In 1961 when India annexed Goa the world community did not really care that "the Portuguese were deprived of their territory by armed force, and the native Goans, were never consulted on their preferences but seemed in fact to prefer Portuguese rule." So if India is allowed to conquer territory in an aggressive war, why is Israel not allowed to keep the Golan, which she acquired in a defensive war?

    Who has determined that it is Israel that must surrender Golan for peace? "At Madrid [then US president] Bush called on Israel and Arab countries to aim for a territorial compromise to settle their dispute. [but] didn't mention the formula 'land for peace' in his speech". The formula "land for peace" is not mentioned in UN Resolutions 242 and 338 either. It was invented by the Arabs and willfully accepted by the Jews.

    On 14 December 1981, the Knesset passed The Golan Heights Law by a vote of 63-21. Its first paragraph states: "The law, jurisdiction, and administration of the state shall apply to the Golan Heights." Following the passage of this law, the Israeli military administration on the Heights was dismantled and regular civilian authorities were established. The Golan's Druze residents are permitted to maintain their previous citizenship, but were given the option of becoming full Israeli citizens. For various reasons, few have done so.

    Yitzhak Rabin said in 1992 that abandoning the Golan Heights would be tantamount to abandoning Israel's security. That means that Israel needs this territory. It is Israel's military force located in the Golan and not a piece of paper with Assad's signature on it that will determine the fate of the Jewish nation.
     
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    If anybody is infantile, it's you.

    All the poster did was place FACTS before your nose and you react with a childish tantrum.
     
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    "Golly gee..."

    I rest my case...
     
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    There was NEVER a theft of land there were commercial transactions if the Arab (so called owner) could produce legal papers of Land ownership (Khushan)... and because the majority were Ottoman imports to work the land they were not owners then, and could not even speak Arabic!

    What document that I have NOT read???????????????
     
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    If you think the word <Arab> is a derogatory insinuation... I want you to know that there are 320 Million of them!!!
    There are 8 Million Jews and some good thousands of Christian Arabs... I wish them all well as long as they swear allegiance or have good relations with Israel... (Have I managed to deflate your ego so far?)
     
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    What case? The only one I have noticed from your part was a permanent <Lost Case>... shape up or ship out!

    Arab is a derogatory insinuation tssk, tssk, I bet you cannot give an explanation of who is an Arab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    There isnt ongoing theft of land!
    In 1937, the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj al-Amin al-Husseini, testified before the Peel commission anda said that most of the land of Palestine (= the Land of Israel) that was belong, at that time, to Arabs had been purchased by Jews and here is what the Peel commision say about it:
    As you can read all of the land that Jews bought from Arabs was just a land with sand and rocks, and after the Jews bought the land, it was started to develop. Furtheremore, the Arabs themselves benefited from the sales and the Arabic development that ocourd those years was because of those sales and because of all of the money that Jews invested in the land. The Arabs enjoyed social sevrices because of the Jewish investment!

    You dont need to look much to see that there is no ongoing theft of land nowadays because of the simple fact that the land that today Arabs say it theirs, it is realy not the case and it is an historical lie! not less!!

    You can see that in the interview the Muffti did in 1937, when said there that the Jews owned in the begining of the British occupition only 100,000 dunems, but in fect after the interviewer investigated thisthing he came to realization that in the land registery the figures say that the Jews owned 650,000 dunems. What is the answer of the Muffti for that fact? simple, he said that an Arabs from Beyrouth SOLD TO THE JEWS 400,000 dunems.

    Source: http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.il/2011/11/mufti-tells-truth-arabs-sold-land-to.html
     

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