Dimbleby Independence Interview

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Last night I think the Dimbleby interview gave a hint at what had gone wrong in the Independence debate.

    First Gordon Brown arrives and he states clearly that he knows that Scottish people want change. After that he gets into overdrive describing his way for saving the Union ....Dimbleby asks him to please shush from the electioneering and answer the questions. It does not happen.

    Arrive Salmond seeming pretty drained. His first words 'They have thrown the kitchen sink at us', pretty much describes the last two weeks.

    Neither of them were very good at answering the questions asked. At points though Dimbleby did seem to want just to find out what is really going on. Is the intent to just bribe the Scottish people rather than acting as a democracy ought and listening to their will.....and the will of the English well that seems now to just have emerged to be spoken about....all I suspect because right from the beginning Westminster did not accept that Independence was an issue which needed to be respectfully discussed. England calls it separation. For Scotland it has always been about Independence but now at the end of the campaign Scottish No baitingly talk of Separation rather than Independence as well. The debate rather than being a respectful discussion tries to define itself as Unionist versus the other and in so creates the bases for an old division.

    In this what has been missed is why people want change and within that is the place where a bridge could have been found between Scotland and the rest of the UK. The Politics were not discussed. I kind of suspect that that is what the people who say 'no one has said anything to move me one way or the other' are talking about.
     
  2. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    What you ( meaning the supporters in general)seem to want is independence in name only. All gain and no pain.

    You still want the same pensions, the same prices in the shops, the same free prescriptions, the same free education while at the same time doing away with the bits you don't like.

    And it's turning very nasty.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...oning-exposes-the-darker-side-of-nationalism/

    You can't possibly want this.
     
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    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    The will of the English people is immaterial. We don't have a vote. This always was a matter for Scotland to decide.
     
  4. mairead

    mairead New Member

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    Alex Salmond and the SNP are not the cause of the present referendum. The root cause was and is Westminster. If the Uniited Kindom splits up it will be due to years and years of Westminster ignoring the people of Scotland. Dozens of broken promises and complete disregard of a nation which was supposed to be an equal part of the Union.
    The reason Westminster politicians are now chasing their tails all over Scotland is because Westminster now recognises the folly of it's actions, or rather lack of actions, over many years, and the real fear is not a concern for Scotland but that that if Scotland goes it alone, England, not Scotland, will be the loser. Don't be fooled by the Scare stories.
     
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    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    Yes of course they are. The clue is in the name.

    Scottish National Party.

    Their whole reason for being is that Scotland should become independent.
     
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    mairead New Member

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    And why Lil, did the National party spring up??? because of Westminster and it's continued ignorance of Scotland, it's people and it's problems. Had this been a level playing field from the inception of the Union, Nationalism in all likelehood would never have raised it's head. This referendum is about successive Westminster governments, not just the present one.
     
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    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    To punish Labour. Certainly not to gain independence. Everyone knows that


    Nationalism always raises its head.

    If this referendum was about what you say, then why are the SNP making rash promises about nothing changing, except that people will be £500 a year better off?
     

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