american shoots dead his 6 grandchildren.

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  1. J0NAH

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    Absolutely not. Should we criminalize going to the beach because people drown every day? There are more deaths by car accidents than guns and drowning combined...should we criminalize car ownership?

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    By the way, it's not the gun that kills, it's the person holding it. If you place a gun on a table and ask it to kill someone, it will not. The part that needs to be criminalized is the person pulling the trigger. Which is already illegal.

    Mexico criminalized most gun ownership. In fact, they have the strictest gun laws in North America pretty much, and look how well it's working there. Google gun violence in Mexico.
     
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    Generally speaking and im pretty sure its the same in europe but here in britain its illegal to own a gun unless youre a farmer or cop.
     
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    99.99% of automobile deaths are accidents, not intentional killings.

    Im with you that gun ownership shoudl not be illegal, but your analogy is absurd.

    what the USA really needs, is more jobs, less inequality, and much better mental health services.
     
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    If you do, you will be no better than this man. You will be targeting innocent parties who have neither initiated force nor indicated their intent to do so.

    Gun ownership is not criminalized here, but it's not far off. State crime committed against me is far more nefarious than that which any collection of private criminals could possibly muster. I'm sick of being treated like a child by the all-powerful state for perfectly voluntary and non-coercive behavior.

    The state should have to show malicious intent on an individual-by-individual basis, prior to any restriction on ownership/use. The burden should be entirely on them, not I.

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    I will gladly accept 10,000 deaths/year in exchange for firearm liberty. I am not responsible for the actions of others, I have done nothing wrong.
     
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    Thats a very weak and obscured argument. Im afraid you will need to come up with a better reason not to criminalize guns than 'peanuts kill people too, shall we ban peanuts'. Do you have any sane reasoning ?
     
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    guns are not illegal in Britain.

    nor Canada.

    what we do need, is much tougher law enforcement againsts gang-bangers, thugs, rapists, murderers, assaulters, burglars.
     
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    if gun ownership is the problem, how come Canada, Israel, Switzerland, and other nations with lots of gun owners don't have the mass-murder problem the USA has?
     
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    iam beginning to see your reasoning. its making a bit more sense. its like, in your words, the state has created this volatile and tense atmosphere and ppl feel they need to have a red emergency button to press and terminate any suspected threat however real that threat is or isnt.
     
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    No, we won't and we've already criminalized murder.

    Do you subscribe to the ridiculous notion that inanimate objects magically spring to life and kill people?
     
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    generally they are. we are allowed air pistols and replicas but if i owned a smithnwesson i would be arrested, if iowned a shotgun iwould be arrested.
     
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    Lol I don't have to come up with anything. Our government has no intention to criminalize gun ownership. Not one person in congress is trying to 100% ban guns. They want some sort of regulation, but not criminalization. I am unsure where you get your "facts", but in America, we will always have guns. :)
     
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    switzerland, if im correct has the highest homicide rate in europe, or there abouts. Israel, well, ineednt explain the problems there with murder, assassination and bombings. canada?? idont know much about.

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    are you arguing with yourself again?
     
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    That's not my position at all. As I said, people should not have to justify themselves. Unless their intent is coercive and the state can prove this - they should be free to own whatever they want.
     
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    thats another really weak argument that im not even going to bother explaining again for fear of repetition. first there was spears and men were brave, then there were guns and men became cowards.
     
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    And Britain has a lot of other problems too.
     
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    Your question makes no sense. You asked me to provide an argument on why we SHOULDN'T criminalize gun ownership. I just debunked your hilariously incorrect question.
     
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    fair enough, im not advocating either way, its your county.
     
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    When you go so far as to kill your own family it isn't a gun issue, it's mental. He would have killed them some other way anyway. Don't use this tragedy for your own agenda because it certainly doesn't fit.
     

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