Debunking the interracial marriage arguement.

Pro gay marriage people often claim that being against gay marriage legalization is no different from the racists who believe that it shouldnt be legal to marry somebody of a different race. I will debunk that claim. There are several clear differences between gay marriage and interracial marriage. First of all, Interracial marriage doesnt redefine the very nature of marriage-the basic idea that marriage is only between a man and a woman. Second of all, there are other, more important differences, between gay marriage and interracial marriage bans.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ty-much-ado-about-sex-nothing-to-do-with-race

 

if a white man can marry a white women, why can't a black man do the same?

same as

if a man can marry a women, why can't a women do the same

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one is racial discrimination, the other is gender discrimination


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Thats a weak comparison. Marriage has always been between a man and a woman.

 

no it hasn't......... that is a the lie you base your foundation on.

 

How do you know it hasnt?

 

Demonstrably untrue. As you know, because people keep pointing it out for you Sam.

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He's not an ignorant moron?

 

The struggle is the Same for Gay and Lesbian Americans as it is for Black Americans. Coretta Scott King was very outspoken about this.

Everyone should read the following website, from top to bottom, to understand that the struggle is basically the same for Gay and Lesbian Americans as it is for Black Americans. Coretta Scott King, late wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King, said wonderful words to that effect that all must read in order to understand this matter better.

Coretta Scott King on the ties between racism and homophobia
http://americablog.com/2011/03/coretta-scott-king-on-the-ties-between-racism-and-homophobia.html

 

you know facts and what not.......you know reality

 

Fallacy. Appeal to tradition.

 

there are many legal same gender marriages in this country alone, many happily married for many years.... which means your "always" is nonsense

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Outside of american racism, there was no historical tradition banning interracial marriage, unlike with gay marriage.

 

No, actually it has not always been that way. Going back in history, as this expert Professor and Chairman of the History Department at Yale University found, same-sex marriage did exist before the conservative element crashed-in and things unfortunately changed.

When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite
http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

 

Do you even English? You're saying "marriage should stay between a man and a woman because it's always been that way". Ignoring for the moment that it hasn't always been that way, and in many places it isn't that way NOW, even if you're statement is true, it's irrelevant. An appeal to tradition carries no weight when there is a debate about changing something. An courts have repeatedly laughed it out of court when it's been attempted.

It does not matter. It is the logical equivalent of saying marriage should stay as only between a man and a woman because the sky is blue.

 

Why are you comparing the sky being blue, to gay marriage? I dont get the comparison.

 

Of course you don't. Here's is a hint: Google "Appeal to Tradition", and learn about it.

Saying that same sex marriage should not be allowed because it's never been allowed (which is simultaneously an "appeal to tradition" as well as untrue), is just as relevant and just (in)valid of an argument as saying we should not allow it because the sky is blue. Go off and learn, and come back when you're ready to play in the adult pool.

 

What reliable evidence is there that gay marriage existed thousands of years ago? I read on Wikipedia that gay marriage may have existed in ancient Greece, but not everything you read on Wikipedia is true. You need to check what other sources say.

 

Google "Appeal to tradition" and get back to me. It doesn't matter. And I don't need Wiki (or any other source) to know beyond any doubt that same sex marriage is available in multiple countries and States today.

 

That is a fallacious argument. Just because it always has been this way doesn't mean it always should.

Your argument is called an appeal to tradition. It is fallacious because you are attempting to justify future practice based on passed practice. It is up to you too defend the tradition, and tradition for tradition's sake is not logical.

 

You need to bone up on your logic.

Saying something always has been one way and therefore it should always be, makes no logical sense. And sense you stumble over metaphor I will forgo it.

Let me try to make this very simple:
Just because homosexual marriage did not occur in the past, discrimination of homosexuals regarding marriage currently isn't justified.

Our nation has corrected many wrongs that were traditional. The argument that it is tradition and that we ought not change it due to it being tradition will always be defeated.

 

you need to educate yourself on logic

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/43-appeal-to-tradition

 

I've been trying to explain that to him for hours. He's either being intentionally obtuse, or lacks the mental acuity to understand.

 

I think it's a bit of both.

 

What don't you understand?

Change scant few words and the arguments against gay marriage are verbatim the same argument sued against interracial marriage.

 

How is my arguement the same arguement that people used against interracial marriage?