Cliven Bundy's new conservative advertisement

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  1. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;k4gvRseIB24]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4gvRseIB24[/video]

    This is a black conservative candidate for senate who got Cliven Bundy on his advertisement to literally talk about how black people beg to much and that we need "a brave white man" (their words, not mine) who isnt scared to talk about race. Really its not even up for debate whether or not Cliven Bundy is racist even the Right wing pretty much, although unwillingly, admits he is racist after what he said about black people being better off picking cotton than leeching off the government. This ad though really rubs salt in the wound for the right wing though, they have a conservative black guy agreeing with "a brave white man" who thinks blacks were better off picking cotton.....Im very curious as to what the right wing has to say about this, whether they like the ad or condemn it for what it is, a racist propaganda video, I mean they literally have a black guy sitting there agreeing with everything a racist white guy says about lazy black people who leech off the government. Dont believe me? Here is a real quote from the video since im sure most of you wont even really watch it all the way or at least pretend you dont know what im talking about,

    First off, they have Eric Holder with the title of "race baiter" at the bottom showing the video of when he said we are a nation of cowards,
    and Cliven says "did he just call us cowards?"
    Kamau Bakari (black candidate) : "No, he just called all white folks cowards! . . .I feel ashamed when I hear black folks whining about white folks this white folks that, always begging!"
    Cliven : "Its almost like black folks think white folks owe them somethin"
    Kamau Bakari : "I hear you Cliven I believe you, a brave white man like you might be just what we need to put an end to this political correctness stuff in America today"


    So just as I said, moderators I am not "flamebaiting" those are actual quotes from the video, if saying what actually happened in the video is "flamebaiting" than I guess we have a huge problem here with this system. That aside, he literally has a black guy saying "we need a brave white man like you!" and talking about how "black folks are always whining white folks this white folks that, always begging!" if this is not racist in your guys eyes than there is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of people who deny racism everywhere they see it and call people "race baiters" like Cliven Bundy was doing, are actually racist themselves. I know I know, they are going to do the "I know you are but what am I!" move and claim we are racist for even suggesting that Cliven Bundy's advertisement is racist but anyone paying attention will see right through those lies and propaganda.
     
  2. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Not gonna touch this one with a 10ft pole eh?
     
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    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/watch-this-epic-cliven-bundy-political-ad-344397379958

    The above link does not work, nor most links I find on Google

    This link will take you to the video that will work and ask yourself after viewing

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/watch-this-epic-cliven-bundy-political-ad-344397379958
    Who Is Disabling Those Other Links.

    It is a damned good video with a true, too true message.

    I hope y'all watch it.


    Don't just apply a bigoted, Bundy Veto. Listen to it, please.​


    Moi :oldman:
    FREEDOM Lovingest Member on Board

    r > g


    No :flagcanada:
     
  4. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    The links work fine for me, what are you talking about?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its a rather brilliant ad actually and whoever that commentator is talking about the video is an idiot.

    He is the racist one calling the black candidate a "sellout" as if all blacks should only have one view.

    As far as the ad goes, the man is running in a very heavily democratic district which means he needs to stir up the right/independent vote. Since race is a very hot topic, always has been, it gives him a very good shot at making the race close.

    Now given, the candidates acting is so subpar that its laughable, he should have used a professional actor, but Bundy actually came off as very straightforward and honest.

    Nothing wrong with this ad whatsoever and politically it is a very sound strategy.
     
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    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    What do you think of Bundy's previous comments about how black people were better off picking cotton because at least they had a family and a place to live/work?
     
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    I am not familiar with those comments as I have not followed Mr. Bundy that closely but I can take a guess.

    He is probably racist, being born and raised in mostly white communities in a rural setting. I doubt he has any animosity towards blacks, just what he has been accustomed to through his upbringing. In fact, I would venture to guess that throughout his life he has had very little contact with blacks whatsoever.

    This makes his comment ignorant but looking at the comment by itself he is not entirely wrong. I have studied this issue in-depth, I could be considered an expert in it actually, and yes, many slaves were far better off when they were "picking cotton". Now it is important to put that statement into context and understand the changes that occurred during this time.

    Following the Civil War there were two mass migrations of blacks to the North, where they were not particularly welcome. This is because of the utter destruction caused during the Civil War, particularly by Sherman and Sheridan who believed that destroying the South's economy would lead to an end to the war. They would later carry this policy over to the Native American population afterwards but that is a different story.

    This led to very little land left to work for many of the blacks. Many of the blacks who did stay and took up their hands at farming found themselves in pretty horrid conditions also. They were given land but they needed to produce to pay off the debt or they would find what they owned repossessed. After the Civil War destruction there were other factors that severely hampered crop production, such as climate, but it is far too detailed to go into here.

    The point is that between the collapsing agriculture in the South, and the mass migrations North, the blacks found themselves largely living in squalor, unable to find work or sustain themselves. So yes they were free but their living conditions were far worse. Then enter all the political changes such as the Black Codes followed by the Jim Crow laws and one can easily make the argument that blacks were better off when they were just picking cotton.

    However, as I stated earlier, that is an ignorant statement because they had no freedom and conditions were harsh. Now I doubt that Mr. Bundy has the historical background to know that what he was saying was accurate but perhaps this was the point he was failing to articulate.

    He does not seem like a racist who is actively trying to see the white race dominant, he seems like an old man who was brought up with some beliefs and I doubt if anyone would know his views unless they asked him.
     
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    Yeah, the right wing is doomed with this whole "black people might have been better off picking cotton" argument lol, thats why im glad Bundy made this ad, its essentially a parody for liberals to make fun of and show people exactly how ignorant and racist the right wing truly is. This one ad sums it all up pretty nicely, especially the Uncle Tom aspect, and I use that word in a purely historical context of a black man fervently serving his white master.

    I love how you also try to demonize the Union generals as if they were the bad guys lol, you just had to throw that in there huh? As ive said multiple times and people why I bring it up a lot, the Civil War divide in this country is still not over, the Conservatives heavily sympathize with the Confederacy (and most of them still live in its old territory obviously) while the Liberals heavily sympathize with the Union. Essentially, when the liberals are in charge of history they make Abraham Lincoln look like a mythical God who was the greatest man ever, but when Conservatives get their chance to talk about him they speak of him as a Tyrant who killed more Americans than all other wars combined. Both sides have entirely opposite views to the Civil War, and its not a coincidence that one side predominately lives in the North and the other mostly lives in the South. America is two nations pretending to be one.
     
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    That is not a right wing talking point and its sad to see you try and make it one.

    Bundy is not representative of the right wing. I am sure I could find an equally stupid statement by a democrat and attribute that to everyone who is on the left if you like.

    I never said the Union generals were the bad guys, I am saying that their policy of complete destruction had disastrous effects and they used that same strategy on the Native Americans. In fact, the army actually handed out ammunition to game hunters to kill the Buffalo for the specific reason of destroying the livelihood of the plains Indians.

    And they did ultimately do that.

    I have no shortage of quotes from military officers claiming that this was their goal, led by Sherman and Sheridan who found such great success during the War doing it.
     
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    Please, if you can find me a liberal saying something as racist as black people were better off picking cotton than be my guest. There is a reason there are no left wing hate groups, part of being left wing in the first place is to be a secular international multiculturalist, its very hard to hate people when you consider yourself equal to everybody and are not a Nationalist who thinks your country is better, or a racist or thinks your race is better, both racists and nationalists and found on the right wing, not the left.

    Yes I know all about that, it was called "Total War", it was actually the first time I learned of Total War. What I was referring to though is when you said something about how they did the same thing to the Indians later, it was a cheap shot at the Union Generals because you are a Confederate sympathizer so you threw that in there.
     
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    Except they did do the same thing later to the Indians.

    lol

    Not like it isn't well documented. Do a simple search for Sherman and his strategies for the Indians and you will see it right there. Its not like he was secret about it. He wanted to get rid of them by destroying their food supply, just like he did in the South.

    As for finding an example for you I am sure you have all types of qualifiers so you might as well list them now so I can properly conduct my search.

    For example, how far back can I go?
    Who exactly would qualify for you to accept the statement? Any self-professed liberal?
    Do they have to be white?

    I have done this argument too many times and seen people like you keep moving goalposts around so tell me what you want and I will find your source.
     
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    I know they really did it, but it was off topic, you threw it in there as a shot at the Union Generals. Dont pretend the Confederate Generals didnt help fight against the Indians too, both sides did, but you only mentioned the Union generals of course.

    As for the example, yes they have to be white because I mean after all you guys did hold black people as slaves for centuries than refused to give them equal rights for another century and still fight for the right to discriminate against them in places of business, so of course you will get some left wing black people who probably do hate white people. So based on that, yes they have to be white. Surely you can find a white liberal who is racist huh?
     
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    Oh please, the left is all about hate. Hate for anyone who dares not to bow to their self righteousness.
     
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    Are we sure this isnt from the Onion? Cause it is funny in a sick trainwreck sorta way.
     
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    Nope, that was Cliven Bundy in all of his brave white man glory
     
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    <sigh>
    And the Black Man supporting Bundy's rights to say such things, in support of FREEDOM !
    Bundy even kids the Black man is in danger being near him. It works !

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    The last thing the USA needs is another brave white man. We do not need any more George Washingtons or Thomas Jeffersons ( racist slave owners). We do not need any Abraham Lincolns,( white separatists). We do not need any Franklin D.Roosevelts, (white racist socialists). We do not need any JFKs or Eisenhowers, (Catholic racists). No more Bush or Clintons. (Dumb and Dumber).

    We need more brave black men, like Barrack Obama. Someone who is able to play gold right through any crisis, unwavering, able to remain distant and removed from reality.

    Maybe Jesse Jackson, the brave black man able to suggest that Obama needed to have his nuts cut off.

    Or maybe the really courageous Louis Farrakan, the one who knows the real truth about Jews.

    Whatever we decide, just make sure it is not a white man, and especially any white man suggesting being brave, because the last thing we want in the USA is any icon resembling the icons which created the USA in the first place. Because it was all a big lie and as soon as the 34 million illegal immigrants about to be granted amnesty get here, along with ISIS, and Ebola, then the USA will become what it was always meant to be: A 3rd world country in total chaos.
     

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