The GOP's Record on Race

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    I am reintroducing this thread which I once posted years ago but has been subsequently deleted mainly as a reference because it has so much historical information which is useful and to open the discussion to dialogue which I think is productive and informative. Please feel free to post additional information and please refrain from trolling and name-calling:

    This was my response to the thread on the "Grand Old White Party" post. I was suprised to see I had little response. So I hope its OK to start a new thread, (as this will be my first anyway and I know your not supposed to repeat stuff here and I have edited and added some stuff) because I would like to see what people think.

    I think it funny this Frank Rich guy (appropriate last name) who, I guess write the reviews for Broadway plays and such, is writing the obituary for the GOP in the Editorial column of the "Old Grey Lady" which itself is experiencing a case of early onset of rigor mortis. The only thing falling faster than the Times circulation is Hillary’s popularity amongst Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, the middle class and women who want to commit adultery with Bill. Somebody needs to remind him of the old Mark Twain quote, “Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.”

    Maybe someone should remind him the GOP or Grand Old White Party, as I guess he likes to refer to it, was the party which was formed primarily on the platform of abolition (def: ab•o•li•tion; the legal prohibition and ending of slavery, esp. of slavery of blacks in the U.S.) And that it was the GOP who:

    Gave those newly freed slaves the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution.

    First Black Governor P.B.S. Pinchback.

    First Black Congressman Joseph Rainey.

    First Black Senator Hiram Revels.

    Gave women the right to vote in many states controlled by the GOP long before the 19th amendment.

    Passed the 19th Amendment.

    The first women state legislators were three Republicans elected to the Colorado House of Representatives in 1894

    Elected the first woman to the U.S. House of representatives Jeannette Rankin (R-MT)1917.

    Sen. Margaret Chase Smith (ME) became the first woman to have her name placed in nomination for president at the 1964 Republican national convention

    Voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in higher percentages than democrats:
    The Senate version:
    • Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
    • Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
    The Senate version, voted on by the House:
    • Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
    • Republican Party: 186-35 (80%-20%)
    Voted for the Voting Rights Act of 1965 in higher percentages than democrats
    Senate: 79–18
    • Democrats: 49–17 (74% - 26%)
    • Republicans: 30–1 (97% - 3%)
    House: 328–74
    • Democrats: 217–54 (80% - 20%)
    • Republicans: 111–20 (85% -15%)
    Without Republican support of either measure, there weren’t enough democrat votes in either the House or the Senate to pass them even though the democrats had overwhelming majorities in both houses of congress at the time.

    And let me also remind you that it was because of pressures from the Democrat party that Reconstruction was ended in the South.
    It was Democrat controlled state governments which instituted the Jim Crow laws of the South that lasted 100 years.
    Democrats did make history by appointing the first woman to the Senate, Rebecca Felton, an outspoken white supremacist and advocate of racial segregation.
    It was democrat governors who stood in the doorways of colleges and high schools to stop Blacks from attending all white schools.
    It was a Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower who federalized the Arkansas National Guard to escort nine black children into the school against the will of Democrat Governor Orval Faubus.
    It was Dwight D. Eisenhower who integrated the U.S. Military (after a 20 years of FDR and Harry Truman as Commanders in Chief)

    And lastly (although there are many more things we can go on about) it has been 40 years of democrat anti-poverty programs which have enslaved generations of Black Americans in welfare programs which have broken up the family structures and created the highest percentages of unwed mothers in any segment of the population and guaranteed them a dependent class of voters for years to come.
     
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    As I got to talking with someone about slavery and Christians in another thread about abortion, I thought It might just be appropriate to read up a little about the founding of the Republican party as they were formed out of the abolitionist movement and I found this short article which has a brief but interesting read on the history. It is worth taking a look at. I'll see if I can find some more stuff too. Perhaps that senator from Mass.
     
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    the 70's -

    "One of the most surprising items in the Nixon Presidential record is progress on race relations. Nixon's "Southern strategy" was to court white votes. Despite that -- or perhaps because of it -- he provided real leadership in finally bringing about compliance with the Supreme Court's 1954 school segregation decision. "

    "In ‘One of Us,’ his impressive new book on Nixon, Tom Wicker writes: ‘There's no doubt about it -- the Nixon Administration accomplished more in 1970 to desegregate Southern school systems than had been done in the 16 previous years, or probably since.’"

    NYT, By ANTHONY LEWIS Published: June 7, 1991

    The 16 previous to Nixon included JFK and LBJ.

    The 80's -

    As president, Reagan named Samuel Pierce, a black man, as his secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
    Reagan promoted Roscoe Robinson to become the Army’s first black four-star general.
    Reagan also helped place Clarence Thomas on his path to the United States Supreme Court by naming him chairman of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
    President Reagan approved a 25-year extension of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
    President Reagan made Dr. King’s birthday a federal holiday.
    President Reagan named Lieutenant General Colin Powell America’s first black national-security adviser.

    You know, I didn't even go into the economic factors for blacks under Reagan:

    "In fact, the total poverty population shrank by 3.8 million between 1983 and 1989, and the poverty rate (the fraction of people living in poverty) fell from 15.2 per cent to 12.8 per cent. Poverty rates had risen throughout the Carter years and continued rising until Ronald Reagan's economic policies took hold.

    Between 1978 and 1982 the number of poor blacks rose by more than two million; between 1982 and 1989 the number of poor blacks fell by 400,000.

    According to David Ridenour (Human Events, October 12, 1991), from the end of 1982 to 1989 black unemployment dropped 9 percentage points (from 20.4 per cent to 11.4 per cent), Hispanic unemployment dropped 7.3 percentage points (from 15.3 per cent to 8.0 per cent), while white unemployment dropped by only 4.0 percentage points.

    A black entrepreneurial class flourished. According to the Census Bureau, the number of black-owned businesses increased from 308,000 in 1982 to 424,000 in 1987, a 38 per cent rise. At the same time, the total number of firms in the U.S. rose by only 14 per cent. Receipts by black owned firms more than doubled, from $9.6 billion to $19.8 billion.

    In some areas of the country the black-white income gap has vanished entirely. Census Bureau figures show that black families in Queens, New York, had a median income of $34,500 in 1990, virtually identical to the $34,600 reported for the borough's whites. The median income for all New York State families was $32,965 that year.

    A recent New York Times article, "Blacks Reach a Milestone In Queens: Income Parity" (Sam Roberts, June 8, 1992), also reported that, from 1980 to 1990, the median income of black households grew 31 per cent above inflation, compared to 19 per cent growth for white households. The black-white income gap in Queens shrank from 9.5 per cent in 1980 to 0.2 per cent in 1990."

    Ed Rubenstein , Race and Poverty June 10, 2004, National Review Online

    The reasons many Blacks don't like Reagan are the same reasons you don't like him. It is not in the interest of the major news media to report the facts on Reagan's record and runs counter to their goal of painting him as an anti-civil rights bigot. Their attempts to rewrite history continue to this day and a lot of people have bought into it, including Black Americans (and liberal white Americans too).

    Aside from the accomplishments that the Republican party that I have already listed above, (I hope you go back and read the posts), Republican presidents have appointed the second Black American to the Supreme court (when Clinton had a chance he appointed Ruth Bader Ginsburg), and the first Black woman to be National Security Advisor, the first Black to be Secretary of State, and the first Black woman to be Secretary of State.

    I've listed many accomplishments of the Republican party on this thread, I have yet to see anyone dispute these accomplishments. I will continue to post more about our current accomplishments in later posts.
     
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    Although I may have covered these accomplishments in another post, this is an excellent example of Republican History:

    Republican Party's DC Emancipation Act

    First (and only) Native American to serve as Vice President of the United states
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Curtis

    The First Hispanic Governor was a Republican

    Republicans Freed the Slaves: Republicans passed the 13th Amendment

    GOP’s 1866 Civil Rights Act

    Republicans Passed the 14th Amendment

    Republicans Established the Buffalo Soldiers

    Republicans Established Howard University

    Republicans Established Memorial Day

    Republicans Passed the 15th Amendment

    Republican Opposition to Plessy v. Ferguson

    The First African-American Senator was a Republican

    Republicans Outlawed the Ku Klux Klan

    Republicans Passed the 1875 Civil Rights Act

    A Republican Wrote the 19th Amendment: In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment.

    A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention

    First Women Mayors in the United States

    A Republican President Appointed the First Jewish Cabinet Secretary

    Republicans Passed the Indian Citizenship Act

    The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican

    The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican

    The Republican Party First Called for Ending Racial Segregation in the Military For the next eight years, Democratic presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman refused to integrate. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.

    A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi

    A Republican Wrote the Brown v. Board of Education decision

    Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act During the five terms of the FDR and Truman presidencies, the Democrats did not propose any civil rights legislation. President Eisenhower, in contrast, asked his Attorney General to write the first federal civil rights legislation since the Republican Party’s 1875 Civil Rights Act.

    Republicans Passed the 1960 Civil Rights Act A group of 18 Southern Democrats divided into three teams of six in order to be able to create a continuous filibuster wherein each member would only have to speak for four hours every three days. This system resulted in the longest filibuster in history.

    Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock


    Vouchers for DC Schoolchildren This program was established to last five years. Though popular with parents and students, parental choice was strongly opposed by the education establishment. Democrats in control of the 111th Congress, along with President Barack Obama, refused to renew the program in 2009.
     
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    This is in 1991 people...shows you how recently the democrat party is the party of racists. They opposed the nomination of the 2nd Black man ever nominated to the US Supreme Court.



    The only republicans who voted against Thomas were racist Senators "Jumpin'" Jim Jeffords, who later became a democrat, and liberal Senator Bob Packwood, who was under accusations of sexual harassment himself at the time and was under pressure to vote against Thomas for that reason. The democrats had 57 Senators, only 11 voted for Thomas, while 46 racist democrats voted against him.
     
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    Some people who are American of Hispanic ancestry would like to see the immigration laws enforced. I have been to rallies where I have met people who are Minute Men, and some were Hispanic...and so am I. In California, we passed three important initiatives, with sizable support from Hispanics and other minority Americans. In fact 1 in 4 Hispanics supported Prop 187, Prop 209 passed with minority support (when race is considered), whites supported Proposition 209 with the highest percentage of yes votes (59 percent). The Hispanic and Asian votes were more evenly split with 37 percent and 42 percent in favor of the measure, respectively, while blacks voted predominantly against, 18 percent for and 82 percent against). And Prop 227 won with "44.13% of Latino voters supporting Proposition 227 and with 55.87% in opposition." Not all minorities want to be pandered to. California Republicans have been painted a racists for years because of these initiatives, but what they don't say is that minorities support all three, and without their support, none of them would have passed.

    http://escholarship.org/uc/item/11g4b77z

    http://www.hss.caltech.edu/SSPapers/wp1062.pdf








    Of course, the courts were used to undermine the will of the voter as we are seeing time and time again like with gay marriage.
     
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    http://www.nbra.info/


    The First Blacks In Congress Were All Republicans


    The seven African Americans elected to the 41st and 42nd U.S. Congress. Currier and Ives original
    1872 Image.
    Hiram Rhodes Revels of Mississippi was the first black elected as a United States senator,
    serving from 1870-1871 as a Republican. Revels completed the unfinished term of Jefferson
    Davis who was the former president of the confederacy. He was followed in the Senate by
    Republican Blanche K. Bruce, also of Mississippi.
    Republican Joseph Rainey of South Carolina was the first black to enter the House of
    Representatives.
    Below is a list of the black Republicans elected to Congress during the Reconstruction era. Their
    lifespan is shown in parenthesis.
    United States Senate
    Hiram Rhodes Revels (1822-1901); Republican – Mississippi; 1870-1871
    Blanche Bruce (1841-1898 ) ; Republican – Mississippi; 1875-1881
    House of Representatives
    John Willis Menard (1838-1893); Republican - Louisiana; 1868
    Joseph Rainey (1832-1887); Republican - South Carolina; 1870-1879
    Jefferson F. Long (1836-1901); Republican – Georgia; 1870-1871
    Robert C. De Large (1842-1874); Republican - South Carolina; 1871-1873
    Robert B. Elliott (1842-1884); Republican - South Carolina; 1871-1874
    Benjamin S. Turner (1825-1894); Republican – Alabama; 1871-1873
    Josiah T. Walls (1842-1905); Republican – Florida; 1871-1873, 1873-1875, 1875-1876
    Richard H. Cain (1825-1887); Republican - South Carolina; 1873-1875, 1877-1879
    John R. Lynch (1847-1939); Republican – Mississippi; 1873-1877, 1882-1883
    James T. Rapier (1837-1883); Republican – Alabama; 1873-1875
    Alonzo J. Ransier (1834-1882); Republican - South Carolina; 1873-1875
    Jeremiah Haralson (1846-1916); Republican - Alabama; 1875-1877
    John Adams Hyman (1840-1891); Republican - North Carolina; 1875-1877
    Charles E. Nash (1844-1913); Republican – Louisiana; 1875-1877
    Robert Smalls (1839-1915); Republican - South Carolina; 1875-1879, 1882-1883, 1884-1887
    James E. O'Hara (1844-1905); Republican - North Carolina; 1883-1887
    Henry P. Cheatham (1857-1935); Republican - North Carolina; 1889-1893
    John Mercer Langston (1829-1897); Republican – Virginia; 1890-1891
    Thomas E. Miller(1849-193); Republican - South Carolina; 1890-1891
    George W. Murray (1853-1926); Republican - South Carolina; 1893-1895, 1896-1897
    George Henry White (1852-1918 ) ; Republican - North Carolina; 1897-1901
    http://cache.trustedpartner.com/doc...lack Republican Historical Figures 2Feb11.pdf




     
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    When conservatives have to go back to reconstruction to show that the Republican Party has a good track record on race it shows that they are out of touch with politics. The modern Republican Party is very conservative and conservatives do NOT have a good track record on race. They are some of the most racist people in the country.
     
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    Can you name a benefit to racial diversity?
     
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    Too bad all of that happened before the 80s, give us their record since then.
     
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    Here are two examples of people disparaging the thread without even bothering to read it. I did give current examples of the GOP's leading on race issues and the democrats opposition to them. I gave examples from the '80's, from the '90's and from present day. Granted, this thread has just begun, and there are quite a few other examples of racism by the democrats that I have yet to get to, as well as examples of the GOP leading the way on race relations.

    I would recommend to the both of you that you go back and actually read something before you criticize it.

    Conservatives do have a good track record on race. It's the liberals who have a bad track record on race. I can give hundreds of examples of this. It's the liberals who are the most racist people in the country. If you want to debate this, bring it on.
     
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    People get to experience different cultures which helps improve race relations.


    I did read the thread and there's no basis for you saying that I did not. I don't agree that your points are valid. As it stands Republicans are on average more racist than Democrats and have been for decades.
     
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    So why did you say that I had to go back Reconstruction? I gave current examples as well. If you think republicans are racist, you have failed to give one example as to why you think that. I can give dozens of reasons and examples of democrat racist policies and politicians as well as their media supporters.
     
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    That's a circular argument if there were ever.
     
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    You're trying to present a track record for a political party on race when it's a well-known fact that Democrats and Republicans changed their policies on race over the years. The Republicans of the Civil War era were liberals, not conservatives. Conservatives have always been racist in this country, far more than liberals. It doesn't matter whether they were conservative Democrats or conservative Republicans, the problem is conservatism.

    You asked me to name a benefit of racial diversity. My answer is improving race-relations. The more diverse a society is the more used to diversity people become. That's not a circular argument that's a legitimate example of the benefit of racial diversity. When a society is more racially homogenous there's a greater risk of them becoming ethnocentric and racist because of lack of exposure to different groups of people.
     
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    Republicans always had Civil right in their platform. Democrats had segregation in theirs. When did that switch? Republicans were never for Jim Crow, Segregation, or against Civil Rights. So you are just wrong about that. Republicans have always been the conservative party. Democrats have always been liberal.

    Is that so? So tell me, which republicans were liberals, besides Roosevelt and Taft? They didn't have great records on race, Taft ruled in favor of segregation as Chief Justice.

    Wilson, FDR, JFK and LBJ were all liberals. I can go through their terrible record on race if you'd like.

    Which racist democrats were conservative?
     
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    You want to go over ancient history.

    "What have you done for me lately?"

    That's what I'd like to know. What has the Republican Party done lately that can be considered an honest attempt to improve race-relations because all I've seen from them for at least the last 20 years on race-relations is covert and overt racism especially against our current President Barack Obama.
     
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    Conservatives were the racists. Even when they were southern democrats, many of whom became the core of the modern Republican party. If you think the Republicans of the 1870-1970 era were conservatives then you are just too ignorant to have a conversation with.
     
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    http://www.salon.com/2012/10/16/nine_most_racist_moments_of_th e_2012_election/

    Nine most racist moments of the 2012 election

    1. Wisconsin Senate Candidate’s Son: We Can Send Obama ‘Back to Kenya’

    The website Buzzfeed reports that yesterday morning, Jason Thompson told a crowd of supporters at a brunch that “we have the opportunity to send President Obama back to Chicago — or Kenya.” Thompson is the son of former Wisconsin governor Tommy Thompson, who is now running for Senate. In attendance at the brunch was Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee.

    After Thompson said the Kenya remark, a woman in the audience shouted out, “we are taking donations for that Kenya trip.” A tenet of so-called birtherism is the belief that Obama was born in Kenya instead of the U.S.

    2. Right-Wing Media Air ‘07 Tape of Obama

    After the infamous “47 percent” remarks Romney made, the right attempted to fire back with their own “secret” video of President Obama. It failed miserably and helped reveal the right-wing media’s racist playbook.

    On October 2, conservative pundit Tucker Carlson released what his website, The Daily Caller, called a “racially charged and at times angry speech.” It was Obama speaking in 2007 about the failure of the federal government to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina, and he also praised his former preacher Jeremiah Wright.

    Carlson attacked Obama for “using an accent he almost never adopts in public” and for participating in a rally “closer to an Al Sharpton rally than a conventional campaign event.”

    The race-baiting stayed constant when Carlson appeared on Sean Hannity’s show.

    The problem was that the speech was already reported on in 2007–and the media didn’t seem to make much of it.

    3. Newt Gingrich on Obama: ‘The Food Stamp President’

    Back when Gingrich still thought he had a shot at becoming the GOP’s standard-bearer, he tried tapping into white racial anxiety and ginning up racist lies. Perhaps the biggest one was when he claimed that Obama was “the best food-stamp president in American history.”

    Gingrich was referring to the fact that food stamp use has increased in the midst of a devastating economic recession. But Gingrich was playing on the racial stereotype that blacks are dependent on government aid–a stereotype that is dead wrong, given the fact that “about 34 percent of food-stamp recipients are white,” as Bloomberg News reported at the time.

    4. Racist Slogans on Stickers

    In March 2012, the Christian Science Monitor reported that racism “appears to be rearing its head higher than in the 2008 election campaign.”

    One example they point to is the popularity of racist stickers. The news outlet reports on a viral video showed “a car sporting a bumper sticker that says ‘Don’t Re-N– in 2012’ (fill in the blanks with half of the word that many African-Americans consider to be perhaps more inflammatory than any other). Some question whether the video depicts a real or a photo-shopped car and slogan, but the fact remains that the bumper sticker is the No. 1 best-seller at Stickatude.com, where it sells for $3.”

    5. Voter Suppression Efforts

    Across the country, the GOP has been pursuing a crusade against the non-existent problem of voter fraud. The GOP has instituted various forms of voter suppression aimed at preventing Democratic-leaning blocs from voting. People of color are especially hurt by laws looking to restrict voting.

    Last month, Think Progress reported that “a new study by the Advancement Project estimates that voter purges and ID requirements being enacted in over 20 states could disenfranchise at least 10 million Hispanic citizens.”

    The Brennan Center for Justice further notes the racial problems with voter identification laws. “The impact of ID requirements is even greater for the elderly, students, people with disabilities, low-income individuals, and people of color,” the center notes. “African Americans have driver’s licenses at half the rate of whites, and the disparity increases among younger voters; only 22% of black men aged 18-24 had a valid driver’s license. Not only are minority voters less likely to possess photo ID, but they are also more likely than white voters to be selectively asked for ID at the polls.”

    6. Lynching Empty Chairs

    In September, incidents of mock lynchings of President Obama emerged in the news media. As NBC News reported at the time:

    At least two recent incidents in which empty chairs were hung from trees by rope have critics decrying what they say are racially offensive displays meant to symbolize the “lynching” of President Barack Obama.

    In Austin, Texas, a homeowner hung an empty folding chair from a tree branch in front of his house and later attached an American flag to it. He reportedly told a Democratic political blogger who said she had concerns, “You can take it and go straight to hell and take Obama with you.”

    In Centreville, Va., an empty chair with a sign reading “Nobama” was strung from a tree in or near a park. “In short, this appears to be a crude metaphor for the lynching of President Obama,” wrote the blogger who posted the photo.

    The image of an empty chair has been associated with Obama ever since Clint Eastwood’s headline-grabbing, non-conformist speech at the Republican National Convention three weeks ago in Tampa, Fla.

    7. Romney’s Welfare Lie

    Mitt Romney has been touring the country and spouting this totally false talking point: that President Obama has gutted the work requirement required by President Clinton’s welfare reform.

    AlterNet’s Joshua Holland called the talking point “the big, racist lie at the center of the Romney-Ryan campaign.” Holland explains that Romney has been running “these ads to white voters that, ‘you paid for that,’ with lots of images of black people getting welfare benefits and what not. It’s not subtle at all.”

    He also interviewed The Washington Monthly’s Ed Kilgore on the welfare claim, who noted that the claim was totally false.

    8. Shirt at Romney Rally: ‘Put the White Back in the White House’

    Buzzfeed spotted a white man wearing that shirt with a Romney/Ryan sticker tacked on at the top of the shirt for good measure. The Romney campaign reacted by saying that the t-shirt was “reprehensible and has no place in this election.”

    9. Throwing Nuts at Black Camerwoman

    The Republican Party’s convention in Florida was supposed to inform the public about who Mitt Romney is. While the convention attempted to do that, it also revealed the GOP’s racism.

    The most blatant example of this occurred to a black CNN camerawoman. At the convention, attendees started throwing nuts at her and said, “this is how we feed the animals.”


    [video=youtube;S38VioxnBaI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI[/video]

    That's just the tip of the iceberg. The Republican Party is saturated with White racists and politicians who appeal to White racism. This has become especially apparent since Obama came on the political scene. There are countless videos and articles I could post attesting to the fact that many Republicans are racist.
     
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    So you don't understand your argument is circular?

    It's like arguing the large dent in your car door makes your other dents less noticeable.

    Good argument.

    Btw, your claim is rejected by an incredibly large and comprehensive study:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities
     
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    It's not a circular argument.

    You asked for an example of a benefit of racial diversity and I said improving race-relations.

    A circular argument is a type of reasoning where a proposition is supported by the premise.


    Example: The Bible is the word of God because God says so in the Bible.


    There's nothing circular about saying a benefit of racial diversity is improving race-relations.

    That's an actual legitimate example of how racial diversity is good for society.

    I never said there was a guarantee that diversity leads to improvement in race-relations. Looking at your source it appears that there's more distrust in diverse societies. I attribute that to ongoing racial prejudice in American society. Still there is evidence that Contact Hypothesis is valid. Since integration White opinions on interracial marriage have changed considerably.


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    In U.S., 87% Approve of Black-White Marriage, vs. 4% in 1958


    I believe that Whites growing up with more Black people has improved race-relations between Whites and Blacks. White people have become less racist and more tolerant of interracial relationships as they have learned to get along with and accept Blacks and other minorities as equals. In diverse societies such as Metropolitan areas there may be more distrust because there are more differences but over time as foreigners begin to assimilate to American culture and more social integration occurs I believe distrust will subside as it has with different European ethnic groups and more recently with Whites and Blacks.
     
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    There's no issue of racism in non-racially diverse societies for obvious reasons.

    Therefore, you have not shown any benefit to diversity.

    Your argument is circular because the solution to the problem is the problem itself: diversity.

    You need more diversity to correct resulting racism in diverse societies.
     
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    Solution to the problem of racism is a separate issue from the benefits of racial diversity.

    You asked me for a benefit of racial diversity. The answer is that diversity can improve race-relations (Contact Hypothesis).

    Now as far as combating racism is concerned I believe that changing social attitudes on race is the answer. Diversity itself is not the problem. Obviously in a homogenous society you can't have racism within that society but pursuing that goal is ridiculous. That's like saying that people should stop producing children in order to stop people from dying (if you're not born you can't die). The answer to ending racism is not racial separatism which is just more racism. The solution to ending racism is to encourage people to stop being racist. If people didn't have racist attitudes there would be no racism. Race has as much social importance as people give it. Diversity shouldn't matter and diversity is not a problem unless people decide to make it a problem.
     
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    Your argument is quite ridiculous. You acknowledge the presence of Race Y in Race X majority society results in expressions of racism against Race Y. You respond that increasing Race Y presence will reduce but not eliminate racism. My obvious response is Race Y would never be targets of racism in Race X majority society if they or any other race variable were never present. You merely highlighted an initial disadvantage you theorize may only reduce - not eliminate - racism using methods that allowed its expression in the first place.

    Even in your best case scenario where people are no longer racist as a result of increased diversity in response to some diversity, how is that a benefit over a homogenous society?

    How is a tolerant homogenous society better compared to a racist homogenous society?
     

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