G-d's Agenda for the Gay Community?!

DennisTate · Oct 30, 2014

Assuming the accuracy of the following two paragraphs... what specifically would G-d/ HaShem/ YHWH/ The G-d of Abraham be planning to do through the Gay Community?

http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

What about sexually diverse people?

If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation ... enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit ... but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a Divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using Love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their Souls to fall into darkness." (Christian Andreason)
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Obviously..... one of the things that our Creator wishes to do through the Gay Community..... is to create a whole new world in which there....."would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again"... is expanded and expanded and expanded to all groups and communities on earth?!

I think?!

DennisTate · Oct 30, 2014

Another goal that I suspect that the Creator has for the Gay Community is to use them to raise awareness of the Dr. Ian Stevenson, Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow research that fits with what Christian wrote in chapter 5.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

I saw that I had been both wealthy and poor, man and woman, sick and well, royalty and common personand even victor or villain Yet, I fully understood that each life was vital and going on for a much needed purpose.

Every lifetime, I learned, is orchestrated by our guides and the Elders to flow perfectly with one anotherteaching us something important about life, the Self, the Self of others, our Creator and the potential that exists within the Super Universe that surrounds us all. For the first time I had a comforting sense of trust that no matter what happened to a person in life, only good could ultimately come from it, as down the road God eternally works all things to a good end.
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http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

DR. HELEN WAMBACH AND REINCARNATION

Dr. Helen Wambach (Ph.D.) was one of the earliest scientific researchers into past lives and reincaration. She was the author of Reliving Past Lives and Life Before Life (both published in 1978 by Bantam paperback books). The updated Reliving Past Lives: The Evidence Under Hypnosis was published in 1984. Mass Dreams of the Future was published by Chet Snow in 1993 after her death was based on her research.

Initially motivated by a desire to debunk reincarnation, beginning in the mid-1960s, Helen Wambach conducted a 10-year survey of past-life recalls under hypnosis among 1,088 subjects. She asked very specific questions about the time periods in which people lived and the clothing, footwear, utensils, money, housing, etc. which they used or came in contact with. Wambach concluded found peoples' recollections to be amazingly accurate and wrote that ''fantasy and genetic memory could not account for the patterns that emerged in the results. With the exception of 11 subjects, all descriptions of clothing, footwear, and utensils were consistent with historical records.''

Victor Zammit describes Wambach's research thus:

By doing a scientific analysis on the past lives reported by her 10,000 plus volunteers she came up with some startling evidence in favor of reincarnation:

• 50.6 % of the past lives reported were male and 49.4 % were female — this is exactly in accordance with biological fact.

• The number of people reporting upper class or comfortable lives was in exactly the same proportion to the estimates of historians of the class distribution of the period.

• The recall by subjects of clothing, footwear, type of food and utensils used was better than that in popular history books. She found over and over again that her subjects knew better than most historians — when she went to obscure experts her subjects were invariably correct.

Her conclusion was:

'I don't believe in reincarnation — I know it!' (Wambach 1978
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DennisTate · Oct 30, 2014

During one of his two near death experiences Dannion Brinkley was shown that only the most courageous and philosophically advanced spiritual beings/ angels..... would volunteer to incarnate as a child destined to be physically or mentally handicapped....... well........ every spiritual being/ angel who plans to incarnate as a member of the LGBT Community.... knew that they would face a great deal of ridicule...… even from people who should know better.

It takes tremendous courage to come down here into the fourth dimensional space - time continuum knowing that so many people would be making fun of you.

But.... you knew that you would be able to play a massive role in the ushering in of a truly different world...…

near-death.com/storm.html#a04

The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.

The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.

And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.

There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.

What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.

People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.

Animals lived with people, in harmony.

People, in this best of all worlds, weren't interested in knowledge; they were interested in wisdom. This was because they were in a position where anything they needed to know, in the knowledge category, they could receive simply through prayer. Everything, to them, was solvable. They could do anything they wanted to do.

In this future, people had no wanderlust, because they could, spiritually, communicate with everyone else in the world. There was no need to go elsewhere. They were so engrossed with where they were and the people around them that they didn't have to go on vacation. Vacation from what? They were completely fulfilled and happy." (Howard Storm)
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CausalityBreakdown · Oct 30, 2014

I'm an atheist and a skeptic. But I admit, I often feel nostalgia for my lost Christianity.

Honestly, if I did find out there was a God for a fact, I'd probably spend a while demanding to know why he let his followers be so bigoted. It was the desire to refute homophobia that lead me to do the research that killed my faith.

DennisTate · Oct 30, 2014

CausalityBreakdown said: ↑

I'm an atheist and a skeptic. But I admit, I often feel nostalgia for my lost Christianity.

Honestly, if I did find out there was a God for a fact, I'd probably spend a while demanding to know why he let his followers be so bigoted. It was the desire to refute homophobia that lead me to do the research that killed my faith.
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I believe that one of the major reasons why Christianity has became so bigoted is because the understanding of the reincarnation cycle and how it leads to universal salvation, that was understood by many of the disciples in the first century, was later suppressed.

Once Christianity became wealthy and powerful….. Christian theologians began to use exaggerated fear to maintain and to increase their wealth and power…… as well as because the truth on these subjects was now labelled as pagan or Buddhist or a deception from Satan.

Christian Andreason…. chapter 3…..

Who goes to Heaven?

In the endbelieve it or not (sigh of relief) everyone gets to come home! I know some people will have a hard time hearing this. Especially those who believe that people who do evil deserve damnation. But you must understand; Heaven does not think as we do. Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE! They want nothing more than to see us healed and restored should we have been damaged by evil. And to Heaven, those who are hurt by evil or even seen as Souls' who actually do it ... are all seen as individuals who are hurting in the worst wayand in need to repair. Also, do you honestly think Jesus would have asked us to forgive, serve and Love one another without hesitationif Heaven does not do that as well? Think about it.

Understand, God has a perfect system of justice. What comes around, always goes around. No one ever gets away with anything. I can promise you that! What we do not rectify and make right in this life, we will have to accomplish in the next one. The great Christian teacher from India, Paramahansa Yogananda, believes that Heaven does not usually allow us to remember former incarnations because of the challenging Karma we may have endured before. He says, there is no greater "hell" than the hell we create for ourselves though the perpetration of unloving behavior. The energy of such deeds always comes to find us in later lives.

When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher Realms of Heaven while also understanding how Heaven thinks. In the Bible, it is written, "Our thoughts are not like God's thoughtsand our ways are not like God's ways." And without the energy of Love permeating our being fully, we will never even come close to thinking like God.

The bottom line is this: until we practice Love consistently, we will only go so far until we are made to incarnate somewhere in God's Super Universe again and again (unlimited times) until we finally learn our lesson. Until then, we will be allowed to come back home to various parts of the Realm temporarily, so that we can be refreshed, refurnished and taught by our elders, Soul Family and our guides. But once we are done, it is off to work we go!
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http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

DennisTate · Oct 30, 2014

CausalityBreakdown said: ↑

I'm an atheist and a skeptic. But I admit, I often feel nostalgia for my lost Christianity.

Honestly, if I did find out there was a God for a fact, I'd probably spend a while demanding to know why he let his followers be so bigoted. It was the desire to refute homophobia that lead me to do the research that killed my faith.
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I think that this other topic may help to answer some of your questions and give you some evidence that Christianity is not quite what it used to be.

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...hy-reincarnation-edited-out-christianity.html
Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

On Saturday I began a Facebook group entitled Barbro Karlen and Anne Frank after one of the most famous cases of a child remembering a past life.

Yesterday I got the most logical explanation I have ever read as to why reincarnation may have been edited out of the Christian scriptures:

Bruce F. MacDonald: "Thank you ,Dennis. An awareness of reincarnation is very important. When I was channelling the book, "The Thomas Book: Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus," I was constantly made aware of the importance of reincarnation to Jesus and to the early Christians. There are very important lessons about reincarnation in The Thomas Book, and the way it was written depends on the reality of reincarnation. A modern direct descendent of Jesus' teachings about reincarnation can be found in the Coptic Church in Egypt, which claims it drew its original teachings from St. Mark, who received his teachings from Jesus. They assert that reincarnation was one of the central teachings of Jesus himself, but that it was wiped out of the wider church by some of the later Roman emperors because those rulers did not want to think that they might be born as lesser beings sometime in the future. The emperors, in their pride, did not want to believe Jesus' teaching that "you reap what you sow," and that they might have to face the consequences of their actions in a future life. They wanted to be in the position where they answered to no one for their actions, as when they were emperors, so insisted that the Bishops pass a law that they would go directly to heaven instead of being reincarnated to face the consequences of their often cruel actions.

The first century Jewish historian, Josephus, says that the Pharisees and the Essenes believed in reincarnation. Since Jesus spent much time with the Essenes in his early life, it is natural that he would preach reincarnation. When I was told by Kevin Ryerson, one of the foremost trance channels in the United States, that I was the reincarnation of Judas Thomas, the twin brother of Jesus, it was a great shock in a way, even though I had been told by Jesus, when I was channelling the Thomas gospel in the early 1980s, that I was the reincarnation of Judas Thomas, and that was why I could write the gospel which came from him. To have this confirmed by someone with the stature of Kevin made it seem more striking in the modern world. By the way, for those who wonder about Jesus having a twin brother, there was an early and wide spread belief in this twin brother of Jesus (also wiped out by some of the people in power in the early Roman church) as can be found in "The Acts of Thomas," "The Book of Thomas the Contender," "The Gospel of Thomas" and "The Song of the Pearl" (all available on the internet).

Reincarnation was replaced with a belief in hell, which was a later, non-Christian teaching which found its way into the early Christian church. According to Jesus' teachings about reincarnation, facing the consequences of our actions in future lives is how we are "rewarded or punished" for what we do, and so, as Barbro Karlen says, we make our own heaven or hell.. But none of it is "punishment," even though it might seem like it is. When we face challenges or suffering in our life, it is a way for us to learn the consequences of earlier action -- it is not punishment. And it is the best way to learn. If we have caused suffering for others in the past, we need to learn what that suffering feels like so that we can decide not to do that again. As Edgar Cayce, the famous American "Sleeping Prophet" from the early 20th century says, "We must experience in our own soul what we have brought into the lives of others." That way we learn that bringing love and compassion and joy and peace into the lives of others brings the same to us, and bringing hatred and fear and pain into the lives of others brings the same to us. When Jesus said, "Do unto others what you would want done to you," he is reflecting this idea, because what we do to others is what will be done to us.

Of course suffering is not always punishment. Sometimes we choose to face challenges in our lives in order to strengthen our faith or our compassion or our understanding in some way. And sometimes advanced souls choose to be incarnated as poor people or beggers or others low in the estimation of the world, in order for us to realize that our negative judgement of the "least of these our brothers and sisters," may be all wrong, because, as Jesus puts it, these may actually be Jesus or some other advanced soul incarnate to teach us about the nature of love and compassion. (If people want to read more about this they can go to
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http://www.thomastwin.com/

FreshAir · Oct 30, 2014

if Jesus came back as a Gay man, some would nail him the the cross again

DennisTate · Oct 30, 2014

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if Jesus came back as a Gay man, some would nail him the the cross again
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I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books back during the 1990's. It was amazing how our subconscious mind has memories of us as members of all other racial groups….. as members of the opposite sex…. and most of those past lives would be defined as poor based on how we answered certain questions. It seems that we only learn true empathy through experience. I have read a powerful case that the soul of Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua also had came back many times.

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"You do not understand this life,” he said on a later occasion, “so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.”

“So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.”

“Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute” You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.”

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.”

“Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.” (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, The Thomas Book, Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus"...….
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After a couple of decades of practice Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. was able to gain a similar state of consciousness to his NDE from 1966 and hear Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching his disciples truths that became lost to Orthodox Christianity.

Here is an explanation of how he attained that state of mind:

http://www.thomastwin.com/10 A Background to Silence.html

Background to
The Prayer of Silence:
A Complete Course in Spiritual Transformation

©Bruce Fraser MacDonald, PhD 2011

The Prayer of Silence is built on the foundation of a Near Death Experience I had in 1966 after a serious industrial accident. That experience demonstrated in a convincing way that human consciousness is not tied to the body and that it can exist apart from the body. For many years after the NDE I wanted to re-enter that state of awareness because it put me in direct contact with areas of spiritual understanding which clarify much of what it is to be a human being.

It took many years and much searching before I finally discovered how to produce the Near Death consciousness in meditation and even longer how to teach others to do the same. The reason the Prayer of Silence is so effective is that it makes it possible for those who have not had a NDE to enter into the type of consciousness that experience makes possible. The Prayer of Silence also allows those who have had NDEs to enter again into that level of consciousness and benefit from the kind of transcendent awareness which underlies the NDE.

Most meditation methods have as their ultimate goal to achieve “moksha” or “satori” or some form of transcendent consciousness. They usually do this by finding ways of forcing the ordinary, everyday consciousness to retreat as the meditator repeats a mantra, a word or sound or series of words or chants, or by concentrating on the flame of a candle or the breath or on some bodily posture. The Prayer of Silence sidesteps these stages and, starting with a daily awareness exercise, progresses rapidly to an awareness of the transcendent state through a number of definite steps which use ordinary bodily consciousness as the basis for developing spiritual awareness.
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DennisTate · Oct 31, 2014

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if Jesus came back as a Gay man, some would nail him the the cross again
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This sentence from what Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was heard teaching his disciples….by near death experience Bruce MacDonald…... certainly does imply that the soul that incarnated as Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus would reincarnate many times. Edgar Cayce gave us some clues as to who he had once been.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.” (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.)
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http://books.google.ca/books?id=kbi... death and a quest and another gospel&f=false
"The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus"...
By Ph D Bruce Fraser MacDonald

http://www.near-death.com/jesus.html
The Reincarnations of Jesus Christ

DennisTate · Oct 31, 2014

FreshAir said: ↑

if Jesus came back as a Gay man, some would nail him the the cross again
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In the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research…. men tend to be pretty freaked out when they see themselves as a woman in a past life….. and giving birth….. whereas women tend to be more accepting of seeing themselves as a man in a past life.

http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165

Of interest is also that the subject's gender may not be the same during different life times. For example, a man was surprised that he was a female in a prior life and lived around 480 B.C in China. Another man was an Indian woman in his prior life, who died of dystocia (dystocia is the condition when a fetus cannot be delivered naturally because of its position in the mother's womb). He described the pain he felt, and became rather upset. Unexpectedly, the ratios between males and females among the subjects were found to be mostly the same during any of the ages.

The subjects' clothing during their former lifetime also corresponded with historical records. For example, a subject who lived around 1000 B.C in Egypt described different types of clothing worn by the upper and lower classes. The upper classes wore either a half-length or full-length white cotton robe. The lower classes wore something like an exotic-looking type of pants that was wrapped downwards from the waist. The researchers viewed historic records of clothing worn during the respective periods and could therefore compare it to the descriptions of these subjects. The descriptions were found to be correct. We are also quite sure that these subjects were not familiar with what the ancient Egyptians wore.

A female subject recalled that she was a knight in A.D. 1200. She said, "I feel it is very impractical. I must have illusions." She continued, "I lowered my head to look at my feet. I saw a pair of triangle-head boots. I thought they would be round-headed, just like the armor I saw in the museum." Later on, she found such triangle-head boots in an encyclopedia. According to the encyclopedia, this type of boots was worn in Italy before A.D. 1280. She had recalled that she was in Italy at that about time since she had died in 1254.
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Micketto · Oct 31, 2014

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if Jesus came back as a Gay man, some would nail him the the cross again
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People say that a lot, but just like you, where they're clearly missing the point is that if He came back possessing any other sin, He would also be shunned.

Regardless.... the OP trusting in the word of a money-making NDE'er is always a great plan.

DennisTate · Oct 31, 2014

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People say that a lot, but just like you, where they're clearly missing the point is that if He came back possessing any other sin, He would also be shunned.

Regardless.... the OP trusting in the word of a money-making NDE'er is always a great plan.

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Christian Andreason is hoping to have his book published but it was exceptionally generous of him… (in my opinion)…. to leave it online for all of us to read previous to when his publisher will probably force him to take it down.

His explanation for virtually every aspect of the paranormal is the most impressive that I have ever read in my life.

All of us want to accomplish something significant with our lives…… the publishing of Christian Andreason's NDE and making it available to a larger audience will play a significant role in the ushering in of a vastly better age than Richard Dawkins Ph. D. could possibly visualize for us…….

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

"What is our ultimate destiny?

A day will come when our Light will have become so large that we will eventually choose to merge and go back to the Creator and be as ONEjust as we were in the beginning.

Once we are all ONE again, there will be a great celebration. And after a certain amount of time has passed, yet again, there will be another great explosion, only this time it will be much bigger and the process of Creation will be far more advanced.

I felt tremendous Joy and honor in having been shown these things and with great confidence, I promised God (The Light) that I would do my very best. And in return, I was told my best would certainly be enough!

Why is it so important to understand Love and use it in everyday life?

The reason why we must learn Love on Earth can be given a scientific explanation:

God is Love and exists as the highest absolute vibration you can think of. The act of Christ-like Love elevates our own inner vibration and as this occurs our understanding of God increases. As we learn how to Love and practice Christ-like Love with one another, the inner vibration within the Soul creates magnificent rays of supernatural inner Light. These rays then extend further into Heaven, helping us to reach and enter into various dimensions that lead the way to the Higher Heavens." (Christian Andreason, chapter 2)
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FreshAir · Oct 31, 2014

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People say that a lot, but just like you, where they're clearly missing the point is that if He came back possessing any other sin, He would also be shunned.

Regardless.... the OP trusting in the word of a money-making NDE'er is always a great plan.

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those without sin throw the first stone is what Jesus would say... are you free of sin?

Micketto · Oct 31, 2014

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those without sin throw the first stone is what Jesus would say... are you free of sin?
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Of course I'm not.... what stone have I thrown ?

FreshAir · Oct 31, 2014

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Of course I'm not.... what stone have I thrown ?
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glad to hear your not throwing stones at minorities, the poor and people that are different, sadly many are

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Micketto · Oct 31, 2014

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glad to hear your not throwing stones at minorities, the poor and people that are different, sadly many are

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Um... ok.

DennisTate · Oct 31, 2014

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Of course I'm not.... what stone have I thrown ?
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Assuming that making money was Christian Andreason's primary reason for writing his book……… if somebody wanted to earn money from a book they have to figure out who their target audience/ market will be.

If he was wanting to market to the Gay Community…. he would not have written this about Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a08

What were you shown about Christ, as being the Son of God?
I think it is very important to start off by saying that I fully saw and understood that we are ALL the children of God. Each and every one of us plays a vital role on this planet. No one is seen as insignificant or is unloved. I understood that to be called a son or daughter of God, means that you have matured fully in all the ways of LOVE. Jesus IS the great leader for all the Sons and Daughters of God, especially those who follow the Christian faith. It was made very clear to me that Jesus does not want anyone bowing down to him and being subservient. In fact, what Christ truly wants us to feel is that we are worthy to walk right beside him. Only through our agreement to walk beside Christ can there be any real progress made in our lives and in the world.
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DennisTate · Oct 31, 2014

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Of course I'm not.... what stone have I thrown ?
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If Christian Andreason was wanting to market his NDE book to Christians.. then he is obvious too intelligent to have written this about the validity of astrology.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

Next, everyone is scheduled to be born under the perfect astrological sign for their Soul in order to help us achieve the destiny we seek. Our approximate time of birth is always masterfully coordinated (by Divine specialists in Heaven) to match the lessons and life blessings we need to encounter in order to spiritually mature.

So astrology does play into our lives?

Yes, it certainly does! (But please understand, when I speak of astrology I am not referring to your local newspaper's tabloid horoscope!)

From the Realm I saw that our cosmos is very much alive and holds a very powerful energy and definite intelligence to it. It is from our Soul passing through what I have come to understand to be 12 unique aspects of a pre-designed intelligence (during the moment our Soul supernaturally travels to our body to be born) that we get our astrological placement and emotional profile (also called a "chart") filled in this life.

Heaven mandates the use of astrological placement to ensure that we are always made to feel or experience something while we are here.

As soon as a Soul's energy moves into our Earth bound dimension, like a magnet we draw all 12 aspects toward usand become literally imprinted with the precise energies, frequencies and vibrations that are being held and produced inside the aspects by our Cosmos and Solar system at that exact moment. NOTE: Also, whatever Karmic energy (positive or challenging) our Soul may have left behind from in our last incarnationfinds us immediately as well." (Christian Andreason, chapter 5)
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Polydectes · Oct 31, 2014

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if Jesus came back as a Gay man, some would nail him the the cross again
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He is. Everywhere I have walked he went before me.

We crucified him because he was the light and we are the darkness.

Nothing is new under the sun. As it happened before it will happen again. Christ was crucified by his own people, we will be the ones who do it in the future. We are still the darkness, he is still the light.

God knew me before I was ever born. All my days were numbered before I opened my eyes.

Everything I have been through he has been through first. So he is gay.

CausalityBreakdown · Oct 31, 2014

I feel like most of this thread is new age buzzwords that have no real meaning. Maybe I'm just that skeptical.

Polydectes · Oct 31, 2014

Micketto said: ↑

People say that a lot, but just like you, where they're clearly missing the point is that if He came back possessing any other sin, He would also be shunned.
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The first time he came here he was shunned, hell his own religion crucified him over a known theif. His most trusted friend sold him out for thirty pieces of silver.

More people hate him than love him. Saying he will be shunned, that is a no brainer, likely by the people that profess to love him the most.

Jesus chose to identify with the sinners and the lowly. He didn't hang out with the priests or the emperors. No, he chose disciples that were sinners. And menial taskers. He called to Simon a Fisherman, and called him to be the holder of the key to the kingdom.

He even said what use is a savior to people who don't need saving? He claimed to be here for the sinners that he deeply loved and still does.

Regardless.... the OP trusting in the word of a money-making NDE'er is always a great plan.

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Everybody trusts a money maker. Whether it's a money making pastor (some of the most wealthy people on the planet are pastors) or a money making organization.

Money isn't everything but you can't live without it.

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I feel like most of this thread is new age buzzwords that have no real meaning. Maybe I'm just that skeptical.
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It's good to be skeptical.

DennisTate · Nov 1, 2014

Polydectes said: ↑

The first time he came here he was shunned, hell his own religion crucified him over a known theif. His most trusted friend sold him out for thirty pieces of silver.

More people hate him than love him. Saying he will be shunned, that is a no brainer, likely by the people that profess to love him the most.

Jesus chose to identify with the sinners and the lowly. He didn't hang out with the priests or the emperors. No, he chose disciples that were sinners. And menial taskers. He called to Simon a Fisherman, and called him to be the holder of the key to the kingdom.

He even said what use is a savior to people who don't need saving? He claimed to be here for the sinners that he deeply loved and still does.

Everybody trusts a money maker. Whether it's a money making pastor (some of the most wealthy people on the planet are pastors) or a money making organization.

Money isn't everything but you can't live without it.

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It's good to be skeptical.
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So true........

… a gifted Christian visionary has given the most logical explanation for why we Christians have participated in so many pogroms or programs for ethnic cleansing over the past five centuries...… and if you do search for his name.... you will find that he is one of the most hated Christians on the earth.... by a significant segment of the population of Christians.

People don't want to understand why we do so much evil.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ristians-organize-holocausts-other-group.html

Best explanation I have read on why we Christians organize holocausts on other groups.

...…

We Christians were very close to organizing a holocaust on the Gay men of Uganda.... but thankfully Pastor Rick Warren and other Christian leaders .... and President Obama and American ambassadors.... put pressure on Uganda to calm down.... and it worked!

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-likely-protect-2-million-gay-men-uganda.html

Which GOP leader would be most likely to protect the 2 million Gay men in Uganda?

In your opinion.... would Mr. Mitt Romney be one of the most likely Republican Party Presidential hopeful to attempt to do something concrete to attempt to protect the two million Gay men living in Uganda who are worried about how they will be treated over the coming years and decades?

President Obama did well to warn the leader of Uganda regarding the anti-gay bill .... but......

(.washingtonpost.com/)
"Ugandan leader signs harsh anti-gay bill, ignores warning from Obama"

DennisTate · Nov 1, 2014

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He is. Everywhere I have walked he went before me.

We crucified him because he was the light and we are the darkness.

Nothing is new under the sun. As it happened before it will happen again. Christ was crucified by his own people, we will be the ones who do it in the future. We are still the darkness, he is still the light.

God knew me before I was ever born. All my days were numbered before I opened my eyes.

Everything I have been through he has been through first. So he is gay.
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There is a quotation in Christian Andreason's book that I have read and reread many many times... It is really quite shocking... but it answers so many possible questions.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/fans...throne-by-christian-andreason/788206011212197

The Man on the Throne by Christian Andreason.

"The Man on the Throne

There was a moment during my experience where I saw myself approaching what looked to be a gigantic, magnificent man, sitting on a alabaster throne. Thru a kind of veil that was partially covering him, I was able to detect that he had very stunning chiseled features. In fact, he was so perfect looking, he almost looked statuesque.

The man was wearing what appeared to be a gleaming white robe and I saw that he had the most fantastic muscular body. ...It was not large and gross, but truly beautiful and symmetrical. The man's arm was resting on a flat smooth surface that was part of the throne, and when he would move his hand (even the slightest amount) a musical, sparkling rainbow colored essence would fall out and away from within his robe, eventually creating a pool of Light around his feet on the floor.

Initially, the thought that came into my mind that I was seeing God! But then, as soon as I thought this, very quickly, it was revealed to me that this thought was only partially true.

It was immediately made known to me that the physical form I was observing was actually an astral version of "me" in Spirit form, as God saw me existing as already!

I heard inside my mind, "This is your Higher Self." As I looked deeply into this beings eyes, I saw my own reflection and realized that the "inner voice" I had been hearing my whole life (as the voice of my own conscience) had actually been guidance coming for this personage−−who still resides in Heaven in a greater degree of wholeness and Light than I do here on Earth. In fact, I realized that I had only taken a very small portion of my Higher Self's Light with me for my journey here this go round. By doing this I would be encouraged to dig deeper and develop my faith and intuition; and secondly, I do not see how my human brain really could have tolerated too much more Light, as I believe now it would caused my body and mind to short circuit." (Christian Andreason, Chapter 2)
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http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

DennisTate · Nov 1, 2014

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I feel like most of this thread is new age buzzwords that have no real meaning. Maybe I'm just that skeptical.
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This is truly shocking stuff!

I began researching near death experience accounts in 1990.... .by 1992 and '93 I was reading both books by Helen Wambach Ph. D.......... I have gotten to the place where I don't fit in very well in any organized church......

I probably read ten books by Edgar Cayce....... probably fifty books on near death experience accounts..... I'm not sure how many webpages on NDE's I've read... I am guilty of being fascinated by many aspects of the New Age Movement.

I think that the whole thing comes down to the evidence that strongly indicates the pre-existence of the human spirit - soul.... even before we are born!

"And his disciples asked him: Rabbi, who hath sinned, this man, or his parents, that he should be born blind?" (vs 2)

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/50009.htm

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research01.html

Pre-Existence and the Near-Death Experience

DennisTate · Nov 1, 2014

CausalityBreakdown said: ↑

I feel like most of this thread is new age buzzwords that have no real meaning. Maybe I'm just that skeptical.
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One of the other directions that I plan to go in with this thread is that there is evidence that natural remedies for HIV and AIDS were known since the 1980's that the Gay Community have not been properly informed of.

Beginning in the 1970's research was conducted to find the active healing agent in aloe vera. Eventually a nutritional sugar termed Mannose was found. It was tested on many different conditions...… including AIDS... and the results were really quite amazing........ but..... when the company testing glyconutrients found out that they could not be patented ..... they lost interest.

One of the physicians involved in this research began his own company.... and did get a patent on any product that combines two or more of these nutritional sugars.... but..... even at this time any nutritional sugar used by itself..... cannot be patented... and thus could be given to suffers of AIDS at a low cost.

An 88 year old physician, Rayburn Goen M. D. wrote an article entitled "The New Nutrition Paradigm" that I posted here as a blog because since Dr. Goen's death this article seems to be disappearing off the internet.

http://www.rayburngoenmd.blogspot.ca/

The New Nutrition Paradigm

by Rayburne W Goen, MD, FACP, FACC.
December 21, 2001

The New Nutrition and Doubting Doctors Dear Doctor:
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I was already well versed in that kind of hype! I had previously tried, on myself, enthusiastically at first, the highly touted Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Cetyl Myristoleate, MSM, SAM-e, Blue Green Algae, Alfalfa Tea, Olive Leaf Extract, Colloidal Silver: -- each with lots of "ink" but not one helped me in any way. I proposed to try (surreptitiously-"don't tell anybody") Glyconutrients for a list of 21 ailments I could identify in myself, rated in severity from 1-10, attributable mostly to "old age" (I was 85 years old at the time). I was not neurotic-- just trying to be scientific. None of these completely disabled me, except Arthritis of knees, which required aspiration of fluid and instillation of a Cortisone, Depo Medrol, more and more frequently, eventually about every 3 months for one, then the other knee.Then I would again be functional; and I had a Peripheral Neuropathy which impaired my balance and walking, and sleep because of restless legs. Within 4 months, I became symptom-free of 20 of these 21 complaints: the two mentioned, and a right shoulder rotator cuff tear, low back pain, cervical disc with left C-5 radiculopathy, inflammatory osteoarthritis of hands (I could not shake hands without hurting the next 3 days), hypertension (190/105), hypercholesterolemia (320mg) since in my 30's, nocturia 4-6x per night, urinary urgency incontinence, prostate cancer, developing cataract left eye, etc. I was able to discontinue all the 6 prescribed drugs, and all over-the-counter, except 1 aspirin every other day (I had a Coronary in 1990, after which I began this). The drugs had been effective to a degree, but all had side effects that were either disagreeable or intolerable.

That result was not enough to convince me. This had to be some sort of "fluke"!

I resolved I could disprove this "stuff" by persuading a "know-it-all" relative who scoffed at the idea of taking supplements like these for his refractory Raynaud's Syndrome (cold-sensitive fingers that turned purple and agonizingly painful upon exposure); uncontrolled Diabetes type 2 with serious adverse effects from Insulin and oral anti-diabetes drugs; Hypercholesterolemia and Diabetic Peripheral Neuropathy, worsened by all "statin" drugs for cholesterol reduction. He was scheduled for replacement surgery of both knees, each of which had been operated twice for old injuries and loss of cartilage, poorly responding to NSAID drugs, and with intolerable side effects.

He had stated he was going to discontinue all the above drugs--- he had rather died than live this miserably. I reminded him that dying is an easy out, but that he might not die, but be disabled by Heart Attack, Stroke, Amputations, or Renal failure and Dialysis. I managed to induce him to try Glyconutritionals for 4 months, with the assurance they absolutely could not harm him. He reluctantly agreed...Three weeks later he reported he was free of pain and paresthesias, was having normalized blood sugars on just the one oral anti-diabetes drug he had continued (but that previously had not controlled the high blood sugar) His vision and mental clarity were strikingly improved. He neglected, however, to reorder the supplements, and the symptoms all recurred within 2 weeks. Upon resumption of the supplements, the symptoms again abated. Koch's postulates fulfilled!!" (Rayburn Goen M. D.)
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A low cost source of mannose is aloe vera juice. It is only about $9 per gallon at Walmart.

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