Poll: Most Arab Israelis Love Israel

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  1. Thunderbolt

    Thunderbolt Active Member

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    If this piece cannot change the "anti-Zionists' "' mind nothing else can !
     
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    Yeah get asked.. do you rather live here or be deported to Gaza,
    and most would say they rather stay in Israel. :roll:
     
  3. Marlowe

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    There has always been a percentage of Palestinians in Israel who accepted the Status Quo - like "Uncle Toms" prepared to accept their second class citizenship. . Israel is a democracy for Jews only.

    It looks like the Poll was carried out/figures compile by Zionists , right ? LOL
    It might have been considered more reliable if it came from a independent -third party.

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." ~Mark Twain,


    Statistics can be made to prove anything - even the truth






    I doubt whether it'll change the minds of Anti-Zionist Jews like

    The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) is a network of anti-Zionist Jews pledged to "Oppose Zionism and the State of Israel".[1]

    http://ijsn.net/


    True Torah Jews / Jews Not Zionists/ etc.

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/

    plus : Anti-Zionist Jews in Israel : watch burning of the Zionist flag - listen and learn :

    [video=youtube;12cfVKQyrMw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12cfVKQyrMw[/video]


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    Even before the forcible imposition (‘founding’) of the state of Israel , the Haredim were opposed to Zionism. Today the vast majority of Haredim in Israel remain staunchly opposed to the Zionist state for religious, ethical and political reasons. Haredi religious teaching claims that the Jewish people are bound by three oaths:

    (1) not to settle in Israel by using force or violence,
    (2) not to make war with other nations and
    (3) not to act as if the other nations of the world would persecute Israel .

    Haredim opposed Israel ’s violent ethnic cleaning of over 850,000 Palestinians in the course of establishing the Israeli State and continues to oppose Israeli settlers’ violently land grabs against Palestinians. Unlike other so-called ‘ultra-Orthodox’ sects, who support Zionist colonialism and bless the Israeli military, the Haredim maintain that militarism corrupts the spirit and that Zionists have transformed Jews from righteous followers of the Torah into rabid ethnocentric supporters of a militarist state.

    For the Haredim, ‘state worship’, especially the waving of the Israeli flag in the temple, is a sacrilege comparable to the renegade Jews condemned by Moses for worshipping the Golden Calf.

    The majority of Haredim boycott elections, organize their own schools (Yeshivas), encourage students to deepen their religious studies, emphasize community and family values (of a profoundly patriarchal sort) with numerous children and strongly reject the Zionist state’s efforts to conscript Haredi youth into their colonial occupation army, the so-called Israeli Defense (sic) Force (IDF). All major Zionist political parties and the ruling colonial regime unite to demonize the Haredim, claiming they are shirking their patriotic military responsibilities. Via the mass media and public pronouncements Zionist politicians and the state incite Israeli hatred against the Haredim:

    The Haredim, on the other hand, have reason to fear and loath the secular militarist Zionist state and politicians: They claim that after World War II in the Zionist-controlled relocation camps for refugee Jewish children in Teheran, the Jewish Agency imposed Zionist ideology and militarist anti-religious policies in order to cut Haredim children off from their spiritual roots. According to one Haredim report many religious Jewish youth from Poland , mostly survivors of the Holocaust and Soviet Russia, were subjected to “unimaginable mental and physical cruelty with one goal in mind: (the) obliteration of Judaism”. Given the Israeli drive today to harness a corrupted form of Judaism to serve colonial militarism, the Haredim have every reason to believe that the conscription of their sons and daughters will be accompanied by cruel, systematic Zionist brainwashing to ensure they make efficient (brutal) occupation soldiers.


    source -Jews not Zionists.


    tata
     
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    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    Why wouldn't they love Israel?

    Great people, shops and conveniences. Center of industry, technology and academia. Historic. And according to a video I recently viewed and posted on these pages, Arabs and Muslims are afforded full citizenship in Israel where Palestinians in any other Arab countries are not.
     
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    Let's not forget this years "peace talks" where the intention was to hand the Israeli Palestinian Citizens over to any new Palestinian State regardless of the fact the majority said they wanted to stay part of Israel.

    Clearly that is a minus to the OP's belief that this indicates a plus for Israel. A country that is thinking about deporting an ethnicity and stripping it of it's citizenship, however they wrap it up, is not a country which should be in any way part of the International Community.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, looks like that poll was done by Camera an Israel Propaganda organisation but they usually come out with one of these each year. Could be many reasons for how people choose. Sure is better than living in the West Bank and Gaza as has already been said. In this years one, don't know who organised it and in this one they were scared that they were going to be ethnically cleansed to a new Palestinian State, they also stated not having lived with the Palestinians these last 66 years and fear that they would not be accepted. What would be needed to get the balance would be different polls asking them what they were unhappy about, what they would like changed, where and how and with whom they would ideally like to live and so on.
     
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    Why do you think there should be a question of deportation to Gaza ?

    Are the Zionists still not satisfied with the ethnic cleansing of Palestine ?
    Have the ZioNazi Jews not yet stolen enough Palestinian land ?


    :roll:
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    Nothing more to add...
     
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    When last have you come across / been receptive to any information which have changed your mind ?

    You obviously don't know much about anti-Zionists . I'd guess their are many more anti-Zionist JEWS in the world than the numbers of Palestinians which your Poll claim to support or accepted - the Zionist State called "Israel"

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    I don't know if you are new at this forum posting lark but lots of people have been doing it for some years and have learnt a fair bit.

    Now it is not that Israel cannot be accepted. She can. All she needs to do is move back to the 67 lines with minor mutually agreed swaps, give back Palestinian resources for example water, get out of Gaza's territorial waters and air space, she will of course have been united with the West Bank and find an acceptable agreement over the refugees which would be much easier than often suggested. http://www.pij.org/pijpapers/refugees_pijpaper.pdf

    Of course within this other things will need to be agreed like how the Palestinians are to protect themselves but if having done all this according to International Law, Israel worked with the Palestinians at building a peaceful and mutually beneficial relationship, everyone would welcome you both. The EU has already said she would give specialy privileges to both once this happened.

    Really the 67 war and the religious fervour that set up put Israel on a course she needs to come off for her own survival.
     
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    In the run up to WW2 the Nazis came out with the Nuremberg Laws... They took away the citizenship of German Jews among other things.. You might review them and consider your "morality".
     
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    Nothing more to say !
     
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    Wise move - coz you'll only drop yourself deeper in the poo

    :wink:
     
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    So that is saying the same deal. Do you want to live in Israel or do you rather live next to it being bombed by Israel and live under occupation and economic sanctions that will push your butt under the povertyline? Oh how do they come up with the idea that they rather stay in Israel. Really.
     

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