http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p238-sas.aspx ( sig's single action pocket auto look for their P290 DAO and their little P238 in 380 and Ruger's LC9 http://www.ruger.com/products/lc9s/models.html
check out twisted's .22 unit for the Ruger and Keltec's PF9 (zimmerman's favorite and that Ruger copied) http://twisted.industries/ also Sig's .22 unit for the P938 http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p938-22lr-rosewood.aspx sig makes some good silencers, and both .22 units and full .22 handguns are offered in this type. Both Twisted and sig offer threaded barrels for their .22 units and silenced use.
While the Sig is a good gun but it as with most of their products is expensive, a Bersa .380 Combat will do the job but cost far less. The Ruger is an excellent little 9mm but handle one before buying, the grip was far too skinny for me and was uncomfortable to shoot for me and several other friends that have fired them.
the 380 might as well be a .22, for all the "power" that it has (ie, not enough) yes, it will usually suffice, as will the .22, because so seldom does anyone have to do more than show their gun (of any type or caliber) to make the offender flee. Also, missing shots still have lots of deterrent value and even poor hits and feeble loads have a lot more deterrent value. If, say, $300 difference in cost between 2 guns means anything to you, how can you possibly afford to shoot enough ($300 per 1000 rds) to be any good with your gun? it takes the firing of 100 rds per week just to REMAIN skilled and 5,000 rds (in a period of a few weeks, under the eye of a watchful instructor, for $40 per hour) to get good in the first place. Me, I want at the least 400 ft lbs from my CCW load, and I feel much better with 500 ft lbs. If I could get 800 ft lbs and still have a "pocketable", controlable gun and ammo combo, I"d prefer that, too. i"ve shot enough critters with the .22 mag rimfire and 223 softpoints to know very well that having an "extra" 600 (or so) ft lbs really does make a difference in the (immediate) outcome.
unless you have some sort of problem with enfeeblement of your hands, there is no reason to setttle for the mere 200 ft lbs that a "hot" 380 load can develope (in a mere blowback action like the Bersa is cursed with). A pocket 9mm is too unable to adequately expand a jhp, with rare exceptions, like the Corbon lightest jhp loads, to be all that likely to suffice, once the guy has to be shot in the chest to stop him. A hot 357 mag load (125 gr jhp in a 4" barrel) is a lot more likely to be what is needed than is any blowback 380, for a fact.
you can always have somebody reload some wussy-ammo for your pocket 9mm and your practice sessions, or wear gloves, if the 9mm hurts your hand. I favor a 125 gr lrn at 800 fps, myself, for practice. It has the same recoil as my carry load, but is not at all hard on the gun.
Box stock Glock 19. I can hide it and has plenty of capacity and enough power to stop a man, or down a small deer if needed.
A step back in time is not a bad thing sometimes. Consider a S&W M&P340. 13 ounces empty, 5 rounds of .357 Magnum (One of the most powerful handgun rounds ever) for defense, and fires .38 Special rounds for practice. As for cost!!!!!. How much is your life worth, or will you be happy as you lie bleeding knowing that the .380 that didn't stop your attacker was a bargain?
Hate .380s. Deep deep concealment is about their only plus. Otherwise, I would choose a quality .22 semi auto before a .380. Because once the shtf for real, .380 ammo will be next to impossible to find. 9mm will be out there for along time.
I love snubs and train with them. You're not going to get much more out of a 357 than 38 snub and you're going to pay for it in recoil with 13 oz. Want something more go with 9mm with full moon clips. A snub is designed to put up someones nose. BTW how did so many guys get banned in this thread?
just bought a bersa 380 put on this laser for my sister to carry in her purse and up and back to the ranch house to Bakersfield ca where there is a lot of underclass, the 380 with this ammo has good stopping power [video=youtube;wtuT7XqF8V8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtuT7XqF8V8[/video]
I have started to lean toward the judge for personal defense. Mainly because .410 pellets are far less likely to cause severe damage at 40 yards compared to a pistol round. Someone robbing you will be close, well within range and keeping most others out of range. It can still use handgun ammunition also, multi-purpose weapons always take my preference.
First, for QLB- Those two were wacko types. One, if not both were admitted felons, with big ideas about fighting Gov. forces. For the rest of us- Most of the time, when you read an account of a .380 being used in self defense, the bad guy was shot and ran away. That's well enough for the shooter. Those bad guys usually find, very quickly, that they're bleeding profusely, and can't make it stop. Then they "sneak" to a hospital, where questions are asked, and guys with badges show up. I went through conniptions, looking for a pocket nine. Online research is due. This piece about the Sig 938 turned me away: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/jim-barrett/sig-sauer-p938-nightmare-review/ Well, not that piece. In a follow-up, he says that the gun developed an unforgivable problem at about the 3,000 round mark. Every time it was fired, the first round would cause the magazine to fall out. Unforgivable. Everyone I talked to about the Beretta Nano complained about jams. Unacceptable. The Ruger PF9 is a copy of the KelTec thing that Zimmy used to get famous. Junk. The G43 wasn't out yet. I got the G26, and that works for me. Just today, I was showing my G19 to a friend. We got to talking about other things, and I slipped it into my pocket, for lack of anywhere else to put it. Hmm. It fit. It's a "real" gun, with a 15 round mag, and it accepts the 33's just fine. There are two good options for carrying a double stack Glock. One is this: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/671601/clipdraw-belt-clip-glock-17-19-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-31-32-33-34-35-steel-black The other is this: http://www.themicholster.com/ The belt clip makes best sense to carry with an empty chamber, but the MIC holster is intended for fully loaded and ready to go.
A friend lent me a Bersa .380 as I was considering buying one. 3rd shot it stovepiped. Gave it straight back. Ended up buying a Glock 26, not the best choice for a concealed carry as it's as wide as a full size Glock, but it works every time. As someone once said, "The loudest sound in the world is a click, when your expecting a bang" Forget price, forget make, forget caliber, the first question should be "Will it work if I need it?"
some barrels inserted in a 1/8 to 16th of a inch to far passed the ramp as the one i bought you need to polish the barrel ramp a little with this and all is good after that it will feed perfectly BTW bersas are picky with some ammo Winchester walmart flat nose brand jams more then any other
Sorry, if a firearm I am entrusting my life to needs modifications to make it work and will only reliably feed certain types of ammo, I'm not interested. A CCW handgun should be like an AK 47. Fill it full of mud, load it with any ammo you can find, and it will still work.
btw stove piping is about 80% chance its the extractor problem either weak spring under the extractor or the hook is worn or defaced
you must of missed this video you shouldnt of gave it back [video=youtube;CnBlVYnhDvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBlVYnhDvs[/video]
