Immigration 'Trap' For GOP In 2016

Sounds as if the Republicans are between a rock and hard place. It is going to be fascinating to see how this plays out during the primaries.

 

ROFL! This'll be all over by the primaries, Obama's blatant un-Constitutional power grab will have been voided by the Supreme Court.

(Like they've done ten times before already).

LMAO. You clowns just lost eight Senate seats and you claim the 'Pubs are hurting? LOLOL!

 

If it's all over by the primaries it's because the GOP will do nothing to upset the apple cart...now will they? There is nothing unconstitutional about what the POTUS did, but that has already been gone over in so many threads that I will not even bother. The lowest voter turnout since 1942 and 65% of registered Democrats did not vote and the right wing still thinks they won due to the popularity of the do nothing sociopathic party and its policies...LOL

 

You lost eight Senate seats.

The other party now controls two of the three branches of government.

And you blame this on "lack of Democratic party interest"? You're suggesting the Democrats simply "didn't care" about the outcome of this election, to the point where 2/3 of their base couldn't get up off their butts to vote? They were all doing the horizontal rasta thing or something? What reason could there possibly be for such a low Democratic party voter turnout?

Seems to me it might reflect lack of Democratic voter enthusiasm, meaning, lack of satisfaction with incumbents. The Dems spent plenty of money this time around, and yet they couldn't get the vote out. You don't find that alarming? What if the same thing happens in '16? By that time this president's name will be Complete Mud, and Hillary's going to have to find a way to distance herself from the man she once worked for. And she won't be able to say too many bad things about the First Black President, so that kind of puts her at a disadvantage, wouldn't you say? What makes you think more Democratic voters will turn out in '16? Obviously the money hasn't made the difference, do you think you're going to rebuild your ground game in two short years? Keep in mind that the Republicans still haven't recovered from the fracturing of Tom Delay's database, and that was way back in y2k. 14 whole years.

 

I did not lose anything really...

I reside in NYC, therefore, I have a Progressive Mayor, a Democratic Governor and Democratic Senators and Congressman, not to mention, a Democratic President in The White House that is fired up to save his legacy and give the GOP the finger for the next two years. I don't see that I lost very much. In the next two years the GOP will get nothing done for the average American, but after that they will be entrenched in a very difficult uphill battle to maintain any power, so I'll sit back and enjoy the circus that is going to ensue as they rip each others throats out while seeking the 2016 nomination.

BTW The GOP will be defending 23 seats in 2016...good luck with that...LOL...Also, national elections can never be compared to mid-term elections as far as turnout is concerned.
You might want to rethink your idea of winning vs. losing. The only entities that win when the GOP has power are the oil companies and other corporate bigwigs, so big (*)(*)(*)(*)ing deal for you.

 

So. That's neither here or there.

Your presidential nominees will still have to reconcile their base's anti-immagration stance with trying to make inroads into the latino demographic to stay viable as a national party and not sink into a regional one.

What do you think the latino community reaction will be if an incoming conservative president was to invalidate Obama's executive order in deferring immigration to five million immigrants. Will that conservative nominee if elected, really want to be seen splitting up latino families? I doubt that's the sort of christian values they want to be seen practicing by the electorate in a general election.

That question is surely to rise in a presidential primary and debate. And let's not forget, in 2016 it'll be conservatives defending 20 something Senate seats in an open presidential election year so that question will also be asked of those senate nominees in those senate races.

Becoming clearer ballantine? The conservative presidential primary debates are going to be some must see t.v.

 

The Republican Latino vote varies between 27% and 44% depending on the issues at hand.

 

Again, the Latino vote has always been between 27% and 44% for Republicans, and since illegals aren't allowed to vote, it will make very little difference. An incoming Republican President doesn't need to invalidate Obama's Executive Action, he only needs to let it run out in 3 years. DHS Director can declare the action invalid and interpret the law as it was originally written or even place more criteria, limiting further applications. Congress can write law that takes the issue off the table, nullifying the action by simply amending the portion of prior statutes with new wording and placed into a bill with bi-partisan support.

The Latino vote in those Senate Republican States you think will be enough to change the seat from Republican to Democrat?

 

which end of that range to you think the number will be when the issue is Obama's EO on immigration?

 

actually, US Senators don't have districts, they run from places we call "states". The GOP defends 24 of them in '16, the democrats only 10... most of THEM are safe. All we need is a net change of four.

 

On that one issue? Probably somewhere around the 32%+ as it has always been.

 

District, State, mea culpa. Fixed above.

And if the Dems regain control of the Senate in 2016, back to gridlock. (I'll bet that Reid won't be the one in charge at that point though.)

 

Well, they once had a friend in George W. Bush that spiked the vote upward a bit. Look for it to be below 25% in the next election with most of that vote coming from the Cubanos in S. Florida who still want Republican help in taking back Cuba.

 

why won't it be gridlock between now and then?

 

It will be gridlock between now and January 2015, after that the gridlock will be at the Whitehouse (vetoing bills), not in congress.

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Its possible, but again it depends on many things. Your not claiming that Hispanics are a 1 issue voting block, are you?

 

And their relatives who are eligible to vote? I'm talking the latino demographic as a whole, not just immigrants LR. Of course those immigrants won't be able to vote. lol

You don't think the conservatives position won't make a difference in the latino community? You don't think it won't be seen as a hostile action against them by the more...... xenophobic members of the conservative party?

There won't be an incoming conservative president if he doesn't support immigration reform and garner latino support.

I would think that depends on who the democrat nominee is and how their stance regarding immigration contrast with the conservative nominees. The point being the conservative nominee is going to be in a more difficult position defending immigration reform with their base..... than the democrat nominee.

 

Again, the Republicans have always gotten between 27% and 44% of the Hispanic/Latino vote. Surely you don't believe they are one issue voters?

It will be the issues at hand that make the difference, nothing more. You sure like to throw out that term xenophobic.

I could care less about the party that assumes the Presidency.

It would depend on if illegal immigration was an issue of importance or not. I like how you equate Conservative as Republican as if only Democrats could be considered moderate or acceptable. All you have is your political bias and propaganda. You believe that a Conservatives base is actually for immigration reform in the since you want it to be? Is this like how the Republicans should just pass the Senate Immigration Bill, because elections have consequences?

 

interesting. Have you, by any chance, ever heard of a legislative maneuver called the "filibuster"?

 

Would that be like the types of filibusters the Republicans tried using, that really didn't amount to anything? How about the 51 vote rule (reconciliation) that came in handy for Obamacare? Its a 2 way street now.

 

interestingly enough according to Pew immigration comes in a distant third to the economy which was Hispanics number 1 priority, health care was #2.
Latinos concerns are the same as most voters. Which would be the most important to you? The illegal down the block getting sent home or a good job and a bright future for your kids?

Asked about a variety of pressing national priorities, 49% of Latino voters identified the economy as the most important issue facing the country, followed by health care (24%) and illegal immigration (16%). That ranking is similar to that of all U.S. voters, among whom 45% named the economy, 25% heath care and 14% illegal immigration.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/07/hispanic-voters-in-the-2014-election/

the trap for Democrats is confusing the illegal Latinos who cannot vote with the legal Latinos who can

 

..and we all know historically well the GOP has done in providing healthcare, education and jobs. There was just no time to address the inconsequential policies and issues that concern the middle class and poor when BENGAHZI required 24/7 focus and attention.

 

You see, that's the very foolish thing about the Democratic Party.

It is not the federal government's job to provide healthcare, education, and jobs.

In fact, the federal government isn't even permitted to spend money on any of those things.

One of these days maybe you liberals will grow a brain cell?

(Nah, perish the thought)...

 

You see this is the problem. The government does not owe you healthcare,...the government does not owe you an education...and the only jobs government can create are government jobs. So these policies are inconsequential.

And Obama never once addressed closing the border and therefore did not stop the problem at its foundation. I am not a rich man by any means and worked this Saturday doing a job in the cold I hate. Why should I not receive the fruits of my labor and ...why should I give it to a government that wastes it?

 

I didn't realize that committee hearings interrupted or stopped the House from passing bills that they sent to the Senate that Reid never took up, what was the total number again, 300 something?

Get off the political ignorance already.

 

GOP could not do much with Reid blocking all their bills, now they can at least get a lot of them to Obama's desk before the Dems shoot them down.

here are 10 examples which had bi partisan support. Examine each bill and tell me why it is a good or bad bill instead of saying something like GOP Bills suck or some other nonsensical reply

Energy

Northern Route Approval Act (H.R. 3) approves the Keystone XL pipeline, as well as the thousands of jobs that would result, and removes legal and regulatory obstacles that could delay its construction for years. Passed 241-175. 19 Democrats voted for this bill.

The Domestic Prosperity and Global Freedom Act (H.R. 6) expedites the approval of liquefied natural gas export applications stalled at the Department of Energy. Passed 266-150. 46 Democrats voted for this bill.
Health Care

Authority for Mandate Delay Act (H.R. 2267) delays implementation of Obamacare’s employer mandate, which is forcing small businesses to cut hours and hold back hiring. Passed 264-161. 35 Democrats voted for this bill.

Save American Workers Act (H.R. 2575) repeals the 30-hour trigger for Obamacare’s employer mandate tax and restores the 40-hour work week to increase workers’ wages. Passed 248-179. 18 Democrats voted for this bill. Senator Susan Collins introduced companion legislation (S. 118 with two Democrat co-sponsors (Donnelly, Manchin).
Education

Success and Opportunity through Quality Charter Schools Act (H.R. 10) strengthens and expands access to the Education Department’s successful Charter Schools Program to provide more students with the quality education they’ll need to fill the jobs and drive the innovations of the future. Passed 360-45. 158 Democrats voted for this bill.
Cutting Red Tape

Small Business Capital Access and Job Preservation Act (H.R. 1105) facilitates the growth of more Main Street jobs by reining in the excessive red tape that hurts small business investment. Passed 254-159. 36 Democrats voted for this bill.

Innovation Act (H.R. 3309) helps businesses better defend themselves against abusive patent litigation, promoting more private-sector growth, innovation, and job creation. Passed 325-91. 130 Democrats voted for this bill.

Hire More Heroes Act (H.R. 3474) makes it easier for small businesses to hire more of our nation’s heroes by providing an exemption to Obamacare’s employer mandate for veterans with existing health coverage. Passed 406-1. 183 Democrats voted for this bill.
Smarter Government

American Research and Competitiveness Act (H.R. 443 simplifies and makes permanent the research and development tax credit, providing businesses large and small the certainty they need to invest and innovate, helping to create jobs and boost U.S. competitiveness. Passed 274-131. 62 Democrats voted for this bill.

Making permanent bonus depreciation (H.R. 471 permanently extends a tax incentive allowing companies to deduct half the cost of new business investments. Passed 258-160. 34 Democrats voted for this bill.


http://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/waiting-for-senator-reid-bipartisan-jobs-bills