This is something to worry about, seriously

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  1. Pronin24

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    Well, maybe people are so poor now they don't have the nutrients in their body to exercise off the weight. I know I don't.
     
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    Limit student loans to people who can pass the ASVAB and a weigh in. That would give people an incentive to get in shape.
     
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    Education should be free (paid for by taxes from people who work after they get their education).

    Why should someone spend $30,000 on a STEM degree then because there aren't enough STEM jobs be forced to go work for Starbucks as a barista and be expected to pay back $40,000 because it's a loan?

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    MOD EDIT>>>RESPONSE TO DELETED TEXT<<<Nor do I understand why you think college should be free. In any case, your rant has nothing to do with the topic. Maybe you would like to contribute to that?
     
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    I meant the Education system in the US is Hypocritical, it demands high education for entry level positions at high cost but doesn't have enough Jobs to pay back those educations and no one can move past entry level.

    I already contributed to the topic....US military will move away from boots on the ground.
     
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    this is America's business, so please mind yours.

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    K-12 is free.
     
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    K-12 can't even get you a $20,000 a year office job.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you're free to donate your own money to pay for someone's college education.
     
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    Until one figures out how to have drones, planes, missiles, etc gain and hold ground soldiers will always be a necessity.
     
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    Well I think your expectations are too high. I'm not sure why you expect a 20K office job right out of high school. What skills do you bring to the table?

    And as for the military... I'm pretty sure you don't know enough about it to determine soldiers, sailors, Marines, and Airmen are obsolete...however there is an idea, you could get trained for a good paying job there! Just pass the ASVAB and lose the weight.
     
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    This is not just about soldiers. This is about state of health of the nation. Junk food loaded with calories, lacking essential nutrients, addictive and laced with chemicals to blame. Junk food and all kind of adulterated foods and drinks became a part of civilized culture worldwide. Even in Russia, urbanites in particular, drink Coca Cola and eat sausages with soybean stuff, imported chickens and beef raised on junk food and hormones, dairy products, etc. etc. This is a worldwide problem of so-called civilized countries We measure power and value of the country by GDP. To what end? Why a smaller GDP, sparser population and more clean air, water and natural products is less important? This is what Russians still have more then we do. For how long? We have a president, pushing Monsanto products worldwide, not caring seriously about the environment, declining of biodiversity and only talking about global warming and green energy.
     
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    So everything and life should just be given to you? (*)(*)(*)(*) working for it?
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    Education is not free, even in socialistic European countries. Someone has to pay, whether it be students or tax payers. I think incentives for fitness should be offered. Otherwise aside from the danger of unfit troops this may be the first recent generation to have a shorter life span than its elders.
     
  17. Nightmare515

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    The saddest part about this is that the ASVAB isn't even hard. It's akin to a middle school comprehensive test. I'm sorry but you have to be a really low on the totem pole to completely fail the ASVAB. You may not score in the top percentile to get the job you want but if you fail the thing completely then I feel sorry for you.

    The hardest part of the ASVAB for me was having to actually take the time to relearn how to do basic math. Back when I took it I was fresh out of college and had spent the last few years doing Calculus and got used to using that big super calculator. I honestly forgot how to do basic elementary school tasks such as long division because I had relied on the calculator for so long.

    The obesity problem is something people just need to take personal responsibility for and stop making excuses. Yes I understand that many Americans are busy and we work and we don't always have time to cook healthy meals and whatnot. But those are excuses for the most part not actual reasons. I get up well before the sun comes up and I get home well after the sun goes down every day for work and I still find the time to exercise and stay in shape. I work well over 40 hours a week, more like 60 most of the time. Even when eating fast food you can still remain healthy if you want to. Nobody is forcing people to get the number 4 combo at McDonalds for lunch everyday. Goto McDonalds and order something remotely good for you and exercise and you'll be ok. Or go somewhere else like Subway or something. Or stop by the grocery store on the way home from work one day and grab some bread and lunch meat and pack your own lunch. It's not nearly as hard as some people make it out to be people just don't want to do it because a double quarterpounder with cheese tastes better than a turkey sandwich on whole wheat bread.

    They used to have programs available to get you in shape if you wanted to join, I'm not sure if they still do or not. But another way to fix this would be to make Basic Training actual Basic Training again and stop with these new age sissy summer camp programs they are trying to pull nowadays. They used to actually get you in shape in Basic. Nowadays they let kids say "time out" and pull out a stress card when they are getting yelled at too much.

    My biggest worry is that the military will start lowering it's own recruitment standards to try to get more people since society is in such bad shape. Couple that with the fact that Basic Training is about as hard as boy scout camp and we are going to start flooding the Army with overweight out of shape Soldiers.

    Like the General said, we can fix the obesity problem, but we can't fix stupid. If you can't at least qualify as a fueler or the Infantry on the ASVAB then I don't want you anywhere near our Army. Contrary to popular belief you actually do have to possess SOME brain bits to be in the Army. I'm not asking everyone to qualify for military intelligence or aviation on the ASVAB but Jesus you really do have to be pretty far gone in the education department if you can't manage to qualify for anything at all...
     
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    ...and fail the ASVAB and still expect to go to college.

    But your mention of stress cards in Basic reminded me of something...

    Survey: Basic Training Now Easier Than When You Were There
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah Basic is a joke nowadays. I'm not advocating we go back to the days of beating the snot out of recruits Full Metal Jacket style but they really need to stop this whole boy scout camp thing they have put in to place. I used to be an NCO and I had to deal with many of these new punk kids that came to our unit. I wondered how the hell some of these kids got through basic training with the attitude they had. No respect, no discipline, nothing. I've literally had to walk away from some of these Privates because I knew that if they stayed in my presence for another second I would be in Leavenworth for assault and battery. We could break some of them and actually form them into real Soldiers in our unit. Some of them were a lost cause and we had them thrown out of the Army, I dealt with multiple chapters personally. The problem is that it's not the NCO's job at a unit to break kids down and build them into a disciplined blank canvas ready to be trained. They are supposed to arrive from Basic like that. NCO's are supposed to train them in their respected fields not spend the majority of their time trying to fix these undisciplined little arrogant punks.

    Stress cards, that alone shows we are failing in the training department. Hey enemy! Time out, stop shooting at me I'm stressed out I need a break. Stop teaching kids who are joining the ARMY that they can call time out when they are tired of being stressed out and don't want to get yelled at anymore. Our enemies in war don't let you take a break when you are stressed out so we need to stop teaching kids this crap in training.

    Damn Lil Mike making my blood pressure rise over here thinking about the days of dealing with some of these kids lol.
     
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    Sorry about causing the blood pressure problem!

    But I recall the quality of new soldiers out of basic seemed to ebb and flow. Some years it seemed the came out of Basic well trained and well disciplined, some years....eh not so much. I didn't know if it was was the changes in Basic (some of which were good- they've made it longer and more combat and field oriented) or just the cycles of Drills. It's hard to form a quality Drill SGT so I'm guessing not all of them were up to standards, particularly the ones who didn't want to do that job.
     
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    Make the fat ones fly drones.
     
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    Duffel blog is a parody site, stress cards at basic are not real.

    I had to take the AFOQT "Air Force Officer Qualifying Test"

    AFOQT Breakdown

    The AFOQT consists of verbal analogies, arithmetic reasoning, word and math knowledge. Unlike the ASVAB, it has sections specifically geared toward piloting and navigation.

    It is designed to measure your ability and knowledge of pilot training, navigation, academics, as well as your verbal and mathematical aptitude.

    I doubt I could pass it today...but at the time I prepared for it 6 months in advance...and this is before the internet. On-line study guides for both the ASVAB and AFOQT make for better preparation.

    Set aside an hour a day for 6 months and prepare for the ASVAB...what happens most often is young folks cram a day or two before they take it. You can't absorb all you need to know in that period of time.
     
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    It is hard to form a quality Drill Sergeant and actually keep them motivated throughout their run on the trail. That's a stressful job with crazy long hours and dealing with new kids off the street is something I wanted absolutely no part of what so ever. That's the problem with being volunTOLD to do things like that, it takes a special kind of person to be able to mold a kid into a Soldier and not everybody is qualified nor willing to do it but the Army makes them go anyway. So we end up with many Drill Sergeants who don't do the job well because they don't want to be there like you said. It takes patience on an unbelievable scale to do what they do.

    Some kids are just good kids who understand how the military works and are motivated to become a part of it and do whats necessary. Others are not and the join for whatever reason they choose and they are usually the ones who show up with attitude problems. Upbringing prior to coming to Basic Training plays a huge role in what type of Soldier will show up at the unit as well.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Thank God, that rumor has been floating around the Army for years and its always on the basis of "I know someone who knew someone who saw them in Basic". I'm glad that's not actually a real thing that would be ridiculous.
     
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    What is real is the U.S. Army used a comic book formatted maintenance manual for the M-16A1 rifle back in the Vietnam conflict era.

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