Discrimination against Traditional Marriage

After several Christian bakery owners have faced legal action for refusing to make cakes for gay couples, and one woman even lost her business, one man thought it would be interesting to investigate what would happen if he flipped the script and asked several pro-gay bakeries to make a pro-traditional marriage cake.

http://madworldnews.com/christian-man-gay-bakeries/

This is a clear case of sexual orientation discrimination. But only in this case the situation is reversed. Where is the noise?

 

The fact that this story ONLY appears on Far Right news sites....makes me a little suspicious.

Sort of like James O'Keefe in his "Pimp Daddy" outfit did.

 

There is an enormous difference between trying to buy a wedding cake and being refused because you are gay...and being refused because you want someone to write offensive decorations.

 

There is already a thread for this; http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ns-request-pro-traditional-marriage-cake.html

 

It's obviously some Drudge Talking Point of the Day Story.

Which is ironic, given Matt Drudge is a closeted homosexual.

 

First point is The gays requesting the wedding cake were asking for nothing different than folks that normally order a wedding cake do. They weren't asking for penises to be drawn on it, they didn't ask the baker to make slurs like "(*)(*)(*)(*) all the breeders", etc.

Add that to the point we don't even know if the bloggers were talking to REAL gay-owned bakeries.

Seems the right might yet again be caught making (*)(*)(*)(*) up again. Remember the "Obama" girl that had the B carved into her by some "black man" that turned out false?

 

A few points:

1) The thread title is misleading. Someone asking for a cake that says "Gay marriage is wrong" is not the same thing as someone asking for a cake for a 'traditional' wedding. Calling this "discrimination against traditional marriage" is dishonest. He's not asking for something to support 'traditional marriage', so much as he's asking for a declaration opposing same-sex couples' marriages. Characterizing a refusal to make a cake that says "gay marriage is wrong" as a case of "sexual orientation discrimination" in reverse is likewise dishonest. I cannot fathom the kind of mental gymnastics required to get from point A to point B for that one. Ridiculous.

2) From the first call, it's pretty clear that the guy isn't really interested in doing business with the people he's calling, but in harassing them, trying to waste their time with a debate about something unrelated.

I've been thinking more about this issue of late, and I've concluded that the people trying to fight this as somehow violating their religious freedom are taking entirely the wrong path. They might be better off making an argument against it as a form of compelled speech. The other thing that comes to mind is an argument about the potential damage to their business if they supply the requested good or service. Reputation is no small part of creating and maintaining a successful business.

Trouble is, I think that last argument works far better as a defense for a business with a niche clientele. Someone who makes and sells wedding cakes to the general public is not a niche business that would likely suffer damage from performing that same service by making a cake for a same-sex wedding. On the other hand, a business that caters specifically to the gay community might have a legitimate argument that their business' reputation would be irreparably damaged by having to provide goods that say "gay marriage is wrong".

I don't think this would operate as a defense for a business that is merely gay-owned, not 'gay-niche'. A defense based on the personal beliefs or identity of the owner is going nowhere.

Refusing to provide services for the weddings of same-sex couples is very much tied to the characteristic of identity - something irrelevant to the business transaction being sought. There is no identity associated with asking for "gay marriage is wrong". It is not discrimination against 'traditional marriage'.

Ultimately it comes down to the question of what kind of society we want; One in which people are able to cooperate despite differences, or one in which people regard difference with suspicion and fear, and therefore try to create a society divided by identity, attempting to disassociate from people who don't think, act, or talk like 'us' or look like 'us', becoming isolated from 'them' - those regarded as 'outsiders'.

It's as if every aspect of life has been infected with partisanship and poisoned by the ensuing polarization it creates. Just to be clear, I'm not expecting everything to be all puppies and rainbows. Certainly there will be conflicts that arise in a society that attempts to be egalitarian and strives for cooperation. It's how we resolve such conflicts that defines us as a society. If the response is isolation and disassociation, then we are doomed to fracture into ever smaller groups, each trying to dominate the other and enforce their worldview.

I don't view a same-sex couple, seeking a cake for their wedding, as trying to harass a business or enforce a worldview. They're simply trying to do business, much like any other couple getting married.

Asking a business to create a cake that says "gay marriage is wrong"...couldn't be any clearer a case of trying to dominate and enforce a worldview if it tried. Easy to see what kind of society the anti-gay want.

 

The analogy would be some Klanner going to a black baker and saying...

"I want a wedding cake that says 'White Power & White Supremacy 4ever"....

and then screaming "discrimination" if the black bakers refuse to take his order.

 

If I may point this out here.

Your source is highly, highly dubious, and has no established record of being correct.

Second, who know who the anti gay right "reporter" is talking to. It very well could be another anti gay bigoted blogger.

 

Good post................

 

It's why I said earlier this "smelled"....like some rightwing "gotcha" guy like that silly punk James O'Keefe.

And why I also figured given how it's "suddenly popped up" in not one, not two, but THREE rightwing posts......how it looks like something from Drudge.

And like I also said....is ironic given the "rumors" about Matt Drudge.

 

The bakery is a business.. open to the public.... How about.. "won't sell you a donut because you're black"...?????

Does it get any clearer?

 

I guess those who were discriminated against now know what it feels like to be gay to be discriminated against.

 

So silly! What you "forgot" to mention is that this guy called with an agenda that WASN'T just "a cake to get married with a woman," but a statement that was automatically offensive and designed to confront the bakery: (i.e.: PRO-TRADITIONAL marriage EVENT) and who didn't just request a "wedding cake with a man and a woman on top," but a "STATEMENT THAT READ GAY MARRIAGE IS WRONG!")

How many cases of gay couple calling a bakery to order a wedding cake with two men or two women on top began their statement with ""And I want an inscription that clearly states: "Traditional marriage is wrong!""

Get a life!

 

what, do you expect the NY Times, MSNBC or CNN to carry the story?

 

how does the shoe feel on the other foot?

Christians find the marriage of homosexuals to be offensive. Christians do not support homosexual sex

 

I'd expect them to give ALL the details....like the fact it wasn't "just a wedding cake"...the guy wanted to put an anti-gay rights message on the cake and say "You MUST accept my order, or it's discrimination."

IOW, it was a stunt....and a dishonest one too.....which is typical not just of the homophobic Right but the Right in general....again ref: James "Pimp Daddy" O'Keefe or Andrew Breitbart and their "selectively edited" videos.

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But again, remember, according to sec....a Christian doesn't object to you still finding the same gender sexually attractive and having engaged in homosexual sex IN THE PAST...as long as you're not doing it right now.

 

I suppose there's just no way you could mind your own business.

 

As I explained before. . .you are not talking about "the same shoe," since gay people do not ask for a wedding cake with the only purpose to insult and offend heterosexuals!
How about some honesty there. . .this OP makes a false equivalency!

 

apples and oranges, when has a gay couple wanted a baker to make a cake that said "Traditional Marriage is wrong"? Oh yeah they haven't.

 

If it really was in the other foot it would probably feel likethe baker or photographer that was forced out of business. But that isn't what is occurring here.

Baking a wedding cake for somebody isn't the same as being forced to watch gay pornography. It isn't support of anything.

The only way the shoe could be placed on the other foot, is if the guy had ordered a wedding cake fire him and his heterosexual wife and then was denied service.

If you are saying "support heterosexual marriage" . I do, completely.

That is why I occupy the moral high ground.

 

huh? Asking a Christian to perform a non life threatening service such as baking, taking photos etc, for an act celebrating homosexual sex IS offending them and homosexuals know that. I don't care if it's a t-shirt with a saying "drill ass not gas" or " Gay is Good" etc, that is offensive much the way asking you to bake a cake for an event which has the words, "homosexuals are sinners" written on it.

So, which way do you want to have it? That's rhetorical by the way because not one homosexual responder within this thread has wanted consistency.

 

and baking a cake which says I support traditional marriage must be forced upon the homosexual bakers and they must be sent to re-education camps

I hope this goes to court. It's high time that the hypocrisy of the homosexual movement gets light shone upon it.

 

So when said baker bakes a cake for a dog wedding, what does that say? I love how people on the right claim they are for the sanctity of marriage when it is gays purchasing a cake, but they have no problem doing a cake for a dog wedding.

 

I don't think there are too many gay people if any that don't support traditional marriage. Hell I was the best man at two of my best friend's traditional marriages. I thought it was great.

I absolutely 100% support heterosexual marriage.

What hypocrisy? I haven't come across any gay people that want to forbid heterosexuals from marrying somebody of the opposite sex.

The only hypocrisy I really see is yours.