Israel in violation of 4th Geneva Conventions

http://news.yahoo.com/geneva-conven...-130818255.html;_ylt=AwrBJR9s9JJUrxwAieXQtDMD

This is now the official view of the convention members.

Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal, as is Israel's confiscation of private land for military use, and then changing it to settlements.

 

Worthless, emotional and with oil interest in mind.

Took me a few days, I did the best I can to rebut this insanity...

THE ACT OF “Belligerent Occupation”.

It should be recalled that after the Jewish Independence was crushed by imperial Rome less than twenty centuries ago, the Zionist passion the longing to return HOME remained the focus of the Jewish national culture. In prayers, in literature, in daily customs and on the Sabbath, on festivals, and Holy days. Jews constantly expressed their hope and belief in the return to Zion and the RECONSTRUCTION of their homeland.

Throughout those long centuries, there remained a physical continuity of Jewish life in the Land of Israel in face of the most adverse circumstances. The words of the Meccan newspaper “Al Qibla” in an article published on 23 March 1918, inspired by the views of the Sherif Hussein of Mecca, guardian then, of the Moslem holy places, great grandfather of the present king Hussein of Jordan, quote:

“The resources of the country (Palestine) are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants. One of the most amazing things until recent times was that the Palestinian used to leave his country wandering over the high seas in every direction. His native soil could not retain its hold on him… At the same time, we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, and America. The cause or causes could not escape those who had the gift of a deeper insight. They knew that the country was for its (original sons) = (li-abna’ ihal-asliyn) for all their differences a sacred and beloved homeland. The return of these exiles to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and in all things connected with toil and labor.”

It is always asserted that the legal character of the State of Israel in Judea, Samaria is that of a belligerent occupation in the sense of the 1907 Hague Convention IV and 1949 Geneva Convention IV… ISRAEL HAS ALWAYS DENIED THIS CHARACTERIZATION.

The situation envisaged by The Hague and Geneva Conventions, was one in which a state temporarily occupying the sovereign territory of an enemy state. It was assumed that the war would be decided one way or the other and that the area in question would either be annexed or returned to the original owner state. However, the classic model of belligerent occupation envisaged by The Hague and Geneva Conventions does not fit in the fact pattern of its stipulations.

(1) Judea and Samaria were never and are not at this stage sovereign territory of any one country on this earth.
(2) Judea and Samaria are an integral part of the “Palestine Mandate” within which a Jewish National home was/is to be RECONSTITUTED.

One of the foremost < legal scholars > former Under-Secretary of State Eugene Rostow, describes these lands as the <unallocated parts of the British Mandate>, not under the Nationality of Israel or anyone else, but still governed by the original provisions contained in the Mandated sanctioned by the League of Nations. One of these provisions ARTICLE VI, allowed &#8220;close settlement&#8221; of all western Palestine by the Jewish People. This reasoning as enunciated by Rostow, let U.S. Pres. Ronald Reagan to declare that Israel&#8217;s settlements in Judea, Samaria and Gaza NOT Illegal. The settlements in these areas are the physical link of the people of Israel with the Land of Israel, a link that stretches back to the Bible and was accorded International recognition in the &#8220;PREAMBLE&#8221; of the Mandate for Palestine in 1922.

The traditional customary law and the conventional law of Geneva and The Hague looked upon belligerent occupation as temporary, pending the prompt conclusion of war and negotiation of peace. (The occupiers of this area &#8220;Jordan,&#8221; have already signed a peace treaty with Israel.)

The characterization &#8220;precarious&#8221; was often used to underline the fact that a military occupation during war was subject to the fortunes of war. Many of the provisions prohibiting changes to the institutions and social arrangements of the areas in question were designed to protect the population from frequent radical changes in their life.

Meanwhile, Israel, while denying the strict applicability of the 1907 and 1949 Geneva Convention, applies their basic principles as guidelines to what has been an extremely positive and humane government. ART 49 of the 1949 Geneva Convention provides that, &#8220;The power in charge shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population in the area under its control.&#8221; To clarify the latest statement, the inhabitants of the settlements are not &#8220;deported&#8221; or &#8220;transferred&#8221;. Their choice of emigration is private and free, often based on religious grounds, and as often done against Israeli Government resistance.

Moreover, this neighborly emigration does not constitute and unnatural intrusion of people with no roots in the area. Generally speaking, all of Judea and Samaria were/are considered homeland by Jews&#8230;! There are good reasons for them to settle there. Many areas, around Hebron were inhabited by significant Jewish settlements [Kyriat Arba&#8217;a and Gush Etzion] long before 1948 because of the profound religious significance to Jews. The fact that the children and grandchildren of people wiped out or displaced by the Arabs in the massacres of Jews and the destruction of their earlier settlements 1929 and 1936 have returned to restore the homes of their forefathers is significant...!

If these Jews are willing to live in peace and cooperation with their Arab neighbors, there is no bar in international law or justice to deny them their action.

 

Gush Etzion and a few neighborhoods in East Jerusalem that had Jewish settlers before 1949, are the only places in the West Bank that Israel has ANY moral basis to justify current Israeli settlements.

Other than that, settlements are illegal.

And the Palestine Mandate expired in 1949.

 

You can shout that from the top of all Minarets until you are blue in the face... that does not make it right... To make it right one has to differentiate between the limelight and reality... Israel will be elated to face those that pretend 'Eretz Israel" is theirs and unmask their trickery... Only naive persons short on history and knowledge can pick an article written by a turbulent person and make it whole.

 

The members of the Geneva Conventions agree with me.

and even if the Palestine Mandate were still in affect, Israel would be in gross violation of them as it makes a Jewish state conditional upon full protection of non-Jewish rights in Palestine, and Israel clearly doesn't give two flying (*)(*)(*)(*)s about non-Jewish rights, especially in the West Bank.

 

Exactly my friend... and this includes all onerous ones here.
This is our patrimony and we intend to keep it. Just remember Andalous 899 years rule in Spain is no longer, because Arabs and Moore's are not from Spain.

 

lol.....then Israel should show some balls and annex the West Bank.

 

Israel is the only country in the W O R L D which has proven to be <Reliable>...
Annexation of its own country is an oxymoron... but perhaps to be formal the idea has some merit.

 

when will Israel finally be punished for violating the 4th Geneva Conventions?

hopefully soon.

 

Israelis shouldn't be surprised that the vast majority of the planet thinks they are full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Not really, we smell better than our neighbors do... and the rest of the planet can learn a few things from us. We just finished a project in China to triple and quadruple their produce... from next year on China might exports veggies. The same has been done in India with superb results... here we do smell like a flower because we perform and give results.

 

that's not what I heard

 

Now from suggesting 'annexation' to your wishes of 'punishment soon'...
A Jew that wishes his own people to be chastised... Can you for once think straight and try to be consistent? Something smells in Denmark!!

 

Im not an extremist bigoted Jew, like the folks who govern Israel.

you got a problem with that?

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Im not an extremist bigoted Jew, like the folks who govern Israel.

you got a problem with that?

 

You might be suffering an 'ear infection' have you checked with your ENT lately?
(ENT) = Ear, Nose, Throat.

 

God, I wish this guy would just go away.

 

But its the same for us if we evacuate just the "immoral" ones or nothing at all, so why evacuate ? the enemy will NOT appriciate the gesture.

And the mandate expired on May 1948.

 

Togather with your stupid "Israel at fault for world anti-Sematism" post - maybe you should just convert and leave us the (*)(*)(*)(*) alone, this way your anti-semite friends will be happy, we'll be happy, and you can stop appolegizing for your brothers, turn the dial on "full hate to Israel" and be done with it.

 

it doesn't take a genius to see that Israeli right-wing actions and policies affects world-wide anti-semitism.

after all, Israel is the "Jewish" state.

now, I'm convinced that if Israel starts doing the right thing, attitudes about Israel will improve, as will attitudes towards Jews in general.

 

There is much more areas in the West bank that is trully belonging to Jews, then only Gush Etzion and East Jerusalem. You have also the Jewish community in Hebron that was existed before 1948 and in Qalandia there were two Jewish villages before 1948 named Atarot and Neve Ya'acov and so on.

And according to the Jordanian commands trading with the enemy from 1939, Jordan would keep the status of those lands as they were at the day the Jordan imposed their rule in the West Bank until a peace agreement will be signed.
Jordan signed already a peace agreement with Israel (= an enemy state), therefore, they needed to bring back these lands that belonged to the Jews (and still do) but they didnt do so.

 

96% of the West Bank was owned by Arabs before 1949, and yet today more than 50% of the land is controlled by Israel.

its time for Israel to stop stealing land an give back those lands that were stolen.

 

I've been already showed you that it wasnt true.
In the West Bank there is 4 kind of lands:
1. lands owned by Jews
2. lands owned by the state.
3. lands owned by Arabs.
4. lands that dont belong to anyone.

All the state lands that Israel recieved after '67 were state lands that been owned by Jordan.
All the lands that been owned by Jews were after they bought it from Arabs (but not all of the lands been bought from Arabs).
All the lands that been boguth by Arabs.
Lands that no one is their owners are the majority of lands in the West Bank.

Now, you are talking about 1949. But if we will look deeper, we will see that in 1949 Jordan was the (illegal) ruler there, and according to the Jordanian Trading with the Enemy Ordinance, 1939 Jordan was the custodian on the lands that belonged to Jews, and they had to protect their status (as Jewish land) according to the Hague Convention 1907.

So as you see your claim from 1949 is not ontridacting what I provided you.

 

according to the United Nations and the British, the Arabs owned at least 96% of the West Bank in 1948.



but go ahead, call everyone who disagree with Neo-Zionist extremism "liars".

 

Please read what I wrote to you, once again:

 

before Israel was founded, more than 90% of the West Bank was owned by Arabs.

and yet today, Israel controls more than 50% of the land, even though they have no proof that land was sold to them by Arabs.

its time for Israel to STOP stealing private land and start giving back land they stole.

otherwise they should shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up about the world disliking them.