St Louis shooting: protesters clash with police at scene of teenager's death

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  1. reallybigjohnson

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    The narrative has been about the lack of accountability. About people killing others and being Officially Whitewashed by the establishment. The narrative doesn't blame the police, it blames police forces for defending irresponsible cops, it blames district attorneys for refusing to indict cops, it blames grand juries for sucking up to the DA and not representing the community affected. The narrative does NOT, in any way, encourage vigilante justice or revenge killings.

    I might as well start blaming YOU because of the idiocy of the Whitesboro Baptists.
     
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    The protests that I've seen on TV have had signs about racist cops, not about any accountability in the system. Ferguson wasn't at all about the police department protecting an irresponsible cop. It was about demagogues claiming that racist cops were gunning down young black men willy nilly.
     
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    The 'gentile giant' is a fricking lie. Alaways has been, always will be. The false narrative of Sharpton, the Black Panthers, Holder, and O'Bama is what is fueling this. Not facts or truth. The culture of victims and mindless robots is what we see here.
     
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    Phelps was a Democrat.........nice try. He ran as a Democrat and donated to the Democrats.

    You don't get off the hook. On this forum an across the country the left has been almost entirely in lock step denouncing the actions of cops and in most cases the cops were vindicated. You ascribed racist motives and intent to police before the facts were even in. There are still morons on this forum that keep repeating the obnoxious lie about Brown running away and having his hands up.

    The only one that should have been charged was the one with the chokehold. Unfortunately the prosecutor decided to play politics and to go with a murder charge instead of manslaughter. Any legal aid could have told you that would have been impossible to prove intent which is required for a murder charge. So the case that should have gone to trial was botched by an overzealous prosecutor trying to appease a political hack of a mayor.
     
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    lolol. I think I see the problem.................................

    What Do We Want? Dead Cops.

    When Do We Want It? Now!

    OK, buddy. You have it your way. The rest of us see it for what it is.

    And what on God's Green Earth are Whitesboro Baptists?
     
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    I assume he was referring to Westboro.
     
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    Based on the poor quality video I see a couple of people walking away from the camera and a cop car pulling up to block their way. That in itself is blatant harassment since there was no report of a crime having been committed and there were no active warrants out on the guys being stopped. So the cop was solely responsible for precipitating the incident and the ensuing riot because he thinks that he's a member of the Slave Patrol running down escaped slaves from the plantation.

    BTW, the woman who pulled up at the store can't park for diddly. I hope her driving is better.
     
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    And to all the naysayers that say the thug didn't pull a gun on the cop, here's proof...

    [video=youtube;H4WwAfpvKFQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4WwAfpvKFQ[/video]

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    How do you know that someone didn't make a call to the police saying these guys had done something wrong???
     
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    So cowardly, professional leftists have conscripted and are actively inciting their pet minorities to start their revolution for them.
     
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    The worst part is that cops murdering people has been happening for quite some time now yet it seems the issue is only addressed when the person being murdered is black.... If the person is not black then no one seems to care.... It really goes to show how racist these progressives really are.

    IMO, this is ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW WHITES ARE OPPRESSED!

    Progressives hate white people!

    It's that simple, they can say they don't but their actions speak otherwise..... The SECOND these progressives start standing up for EVERYONE and not just particular races then I will believe them.
     
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    Do you know what a Kansas democrat is in a local election?

    A conservative Republican who didn't get the nomination running against another conservative Republican who got the party's nomination.
     
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    So then he was a Republican that supported Al Gore? You can try and twist it all you want but the only party he was an actual member of gave money to and who ran as was the Democratic party.
     
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    Which of course explains why the riots didn't happen after the killing, but happened after the grand jury decided the killing was acceptable. Right?

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    Your narrative doesn't fit the sequence of events either. What triggered the protests was the lack of any indictment. Of course I can't be sure that if Wilson had gone to a jury trial (with an all black jury) and been acquitted, there would have been no protests. But the community was denied even a trial.
     
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    arresting black reporters did not help their cause
     
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    And if people start blaming you for what he did, does that make a difference?

    This is simply not the case. What has been causing all the protests is the refusal of any DA to bring an indictment againsty any cop under any circumstances? Unarmed victim? Nope. Illegal tactics? Nope. Killing right on video? Not good enough. Giving a child less than 2 seconds before gunning him down? Just, you know, good police work!

    What doesn't seem to penetrate is that nobody anywhere on the political spectrum is as stupid as you pretend. These individual policemen did a LOUSY job of police work. They ended up killing unarmed people they surely could have found some way not to kill. People like Garner, Crawford, and Rice represented no threat to anyone. They were all killed anyway, and not one single DA could find a way to bring a single indictment.

    This matters, because these are cases of serious screwing up by someone. If it's individual policemen, the community would be happy to see them disciplined. The police can't just shoot unarmed people with impunity, they are not above the law. And when the police forces close ranks with the DA and whitewash themselves, naturally the public is going to be angry. Nobody expects the police to be perfect. But now it's clear we can't expect them to be accountable either, and that's the problem.

    And how about the immature cop who gunned down Rice? And how about the cops who charged into WalMart and gunned down Crawford, who had done absolutely nothing? What about them?

    This is a version I hadn't heard before.
     
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    Why should there be an indictment and a trial of an innocent man who carried out his duty in a lawful manner while being assaulted by criminal who just robbed a store, assaulted a clerk, and tried to get a gun from the cop who ultimately shot him? That is the actual narrative and the truth.
     
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    I heard about it ironically from the Charles Barkley interview and checked up on it. Sure enough they actually tried a murder charge for something that should have been manslaughter.

    Regarding the 12 year old the police responded to 911 calls about someone waving a gun around. I saw the video and it was inconclusive to me because it was such (*)(*)(*)(*)ty quality. There is also issue that someone who called in said it might have been a toy gun. This info was not passed along to the officer who responded so he was left with only the knowledge that someone was brandishing a firearm. The only person that should be punished was the dispatcher that failed to pass along that key piece of info. As far as the cop himself he did what he had to do with the information he had at the time and he reacted accordingly. Its sad that a 12 year old had to die but in this day and age 12 year old gangbangers are certainly not unheard of.

    I don't know about the Walmart case.

    Ferguson was clearly all on Brown and its sad that a young officers career was ended and many businesses will not be reopening because of all the racist protests.

    The fact is that in all of these cases people immediately jumped to blame the police. Wait till the information is in. This also applies to people who reflexively defend the cops immediately. At least they are in the right though because in our system of justice you are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

    I am also getting sick and tired of the poor black person mentality. Even though black people account for a majority of arrests and violent crime more white people are killed on an annual basis than blacks despite only making up 12% of the population. The race baitors deliberately lie and mislead and ignore easily obtainable statistics.
     
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    Look in the mirror on who you call a demogogue.

    For starters, what has transpired in the past few does onot occur overnight.

    Second, there have been tragic events that involve deep, philosophical questions on how we deal with a particular sub group in society in which there are no eay answers.

    Third, we need to discuss the root causes, not the symptoms. What most people are ffocusing on are the symptoms.

    Fourth, your argument may have had a point if gun vioence, and I mean all gun violence regardless of cause or incident type, was a rarety before the tragic events. But they were not.

    Instead of trying to blmae, look for and discuss reasonably the possible solutions in your area or on this forum.

    Finally, this is not a liveral vs conservative, black vs white, us vs them attituted. You are as much as part of the problem as the solution.
     
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    I sleep just fine. Unlike most leftists I didn't immediately jump to conclusions and blame the cops. I waited till the information came in. It is undeniable that it has been the left stoking the racist cop hatred over the last couple of months.

    The left has been pounding the narrative that blacks are under threat of being shot by police every time they go outside. The NYT stated that its a common occurence for blacks to be shot by police in their leftist attempt at justfiying the racist riots in Ferguson.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/opinion/the-meaning-of-the-ferguson-riots.html?_r=0

    Unlike liberals and other morons I go by statistics and with over 6,200 blacks murdered every year, only around 200 of them are shot by police. The left has been absolutely silent on the issue of black on black crime and liberals can't step fast enough over the bodies of dead black men that are still warm but didn't meet their narrative just to get to the one that was killed by a white cop.

    Your side started this and inflamed it into the nationwide monstrosity that it is now. You own it and you also own the guilt of inciting so much hatred and vile that you drove a guy to shoot two cops for no other reason than they were cops.
     
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    well great we have alot of catching up to do. Republicans have the blood of 3000 at the world trade center, 5000 troops in Iraq, plus all the dead innocent people from bombs in Iraq, plus a couple of trillion dollars in the failed spread of democracy or the bible whichever.
     
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    "...the killing was acceptable"

    It was legitimate. Now that all the grand jury evidence from that case is out, it's pretty clear this wasn't a hands-up-don't-shoot murder by cop. The mob wanted mob justice, since otherwise based on the forensics this would never gone on this long. Since the mob didn't get a murder charge, they did what mobs do. I hope you didn't respond to this thread to counter the idea that demagogues tried to incite people with the idea that cops were going around murdering black people with abandon. Because instead you've kind of made the OP's point.
     
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    Can you elaborate on that absurd sounding assertion?
     
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    Got proof that someone snitched? Where's the 911 call? We'll like to hear it.
     
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    Uh, I think that would be Muslims there. Specifically al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. You could make a case for Saudi Arabia, I suppose. But no, the GOP did not send two planes into the WTC.

    Does that include troops that died under Obama? Gosh, it's a good thing you didn't count Afghanistan in there!

    Yeah, you're going to have to be a bit more specific about that.

    What's next, did the Republicans also bomb Pearl Harbor too? :roflol:
     

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