Israel lies to the world

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 2006, Peace Now found that much of all settlement land in the West Bank was in fact private land stolen from Arabs.

    This is their report, which uses info from the Israeli govt.:

    http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_in_WB_nov06Eng.pdf

    After reading the report, Israel panicked, and changed much of their land data from private land to State land. This could not have been done in such a short time, and shows Israel has committed massive fraud.

    Here is the updated report, showing how Israel committed massive fraud:

    http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/Breaking_The_Law_formal data_March07Eng.pdf



    knowing this, how can Israel expect anyone to look kindly on them? How can Israel expect the world to support them?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Israel wants to tell the world that their settlements are built on Private Land that is owned by Jews, they need to PROVE that it was bought by Jews.

    Otherwise we must assume it is owned by Arabs, and Israel STOLE it inorder to build settlements.
     
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    Ronstar, you should finally comprehend that Fatah, Hamas etc. terrorists set to murder every Jew in the world.
    Including you.
    No matter, how much you smear Israel.
     
  4. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    "Peace Now is debunking their own claims by relying on information which doesnt distinguish between Arab land and Jewish land:
     
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    Area C holds 400,000 Israelis and between 70,000 - 150,000 Palestinians (150,000 according to the most left - communist - western hater - vegetarian - "activist")
     
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    Israel makes that claim so they can continue to take land, water and human rights... Throw in the Holocaust and anything is justified.. Bibi has that speech down pat.. and delivers the same one over an over and over again.
     
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    There is no point discussing anything. Isreal just needs to take advantage of the Syrian civil war to send tha palestinian popuation over the border. Build big walls
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and then Israel will be considered like Nazis and suffer the same fate.

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    YOU have no evidence all that land was bought by Jews.
     
  9. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The majority of land that Israel is controlong are mori lands (= state lands).
    The ones that I know that are Jewish land, is according to a research of Eyal Zamir and Eyal Benvenisti from The Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies. The research name is: "The Legal Status of Lands Acquired by Israelis before 1948 in the West Bank Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem", 1993.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    land stolen from Arab farmers, who would have taken control of the land had Israeli followed Ottoman and Turkish law.

    stop supporting Israeli theft and lies!!
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    According to the Ottoman law they are not stealing but obeying!
    According to Article 78 of the Ottoman law, allow Israel to object culivation of farmer in miri lands. Stop ignoring laws!!
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 1968, the Israeli military commander issued an order freezing all land settlements in the West Bank. The order recognized the validity of registration made by the Mandate and Jordanian authorities, but stipulated that no new land settlements are to take place in the West Bank and that land settlements initiated by the Jordanians but not finalized (i.e., the land concerned was not registered in the land registry) are to be discontinued.

    At the time, the military commander did not explain the decision to issue the order freezing land settlement.It was only retrospectively that Israeli authorities gave three main reasons for this. The first was the obligation to protect the rights of tens of thousands of Palestinian absentees, who fled the West Bank duringthe 1967 war and left much property behind. Conducting land settlements under such circumstances, the Israeli authorities claimed, would harm the property rights of many absentees, who would be unable to claim ownership before the registration committees.

    The second reason given is related to the temporary nature of the occupation. Land settlement creates permanent change in the legal and property rights arena. Since the West Bank was subject to belligerent
    occupation, which by its nature is temporary, and under international law, Israel, as the occupying power, must not carry out permanent changes in the occupied territory.

    The third reason was the heavy financial costs entailed in land settlements.

    Given the various actions taken by Israel with respect to land since it took control of the West Bank, the first two explanations appear to be baseless. Regarding the need to protect the rights of absentees, had Israel respected this obligation, it would not have made any change to the ownership status of land in the West Bank. In practice, Israel declared hundreds of thousands of dunams of unregistered land in the West Bank as government property, without giving the tens of thousands of Palestinian absentees any possibility of objecting to the declarations. It is unreasonable to argue, on the one hand, that it is absolutely necessaryto stop land settlements, in order to avoid the possibility of registering land belonging to absentees in thename of others – while at the same time issuing declarations of state land on the very same unregistered land, which Israel itself argued that land settlements there must be suspended so as not to harm the absentees’ rights. The claim that the land settlement process was stopped because it contradicted the temporary nature of the occupation is also unacceptable. During its rule of the West Bank, Israel has established 124 official civilian settlements and 101 other settlements, known as “unauthorized outposts”. It is hard to conceive of an action that creates permanent facts in the occupied territory more than the establishment of civilian communities for the population of the occupying state. It is unreasonable to argue, on the one hand, that land settlements had to be suspended because of the temporary nature of the belligerent occupation while, at the same time, establish dozens of Israeli settlements, which create permanent facts in the occupied territory.


    http://www.scribd.com/doc/85381860/...y-Declarations-on-state-land-in-the-West-Bank

    Israel's lies and dishonesty, exposed!!!
     
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    The IDF freezed all of the settlements to recognized the validity of registration made by the Mandate and Jordanian authorities. Once it came short, or in other words- the registration that made wasnt valid, then they freezed. Which means, that they freezed according to the registration made by the Mandate and Jordanian authorities. Or in other words- obeid the British and Jordanian laws.

    This section mentions:
    Therefure, Israel obeid the laws in the West Bank

    According to the International law, it says that Israel needed to protect the rights of the "Palestinians" absentees in the lands. Which according to your previous section, Israel did just that! Thus, the obeid the laws.

    According to Article 78 of the Ottoman law, Israel can object, and when they do object, the private person lose a hold in the land.
    Moreover, if Israel declared on unregistared (as or private) land as government property, then Israel obeid the Ottoman law.
     
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    Does'nt the Zionist state have it own land laws ? Why are you referring to Ottoman laws which are no longer applicable ?




    consider this :

    1960 Basic Law Israel Lands:


    provides that "Lands of Israel", i.e. lands of the state, the JNF, and the Development Authority cannot be transferred by sale or in any other way. This law was consequently interpreted by the Israeli High Court as meaning that such land cannot be returned to a previous owner, even if s/he holds official title and that acquisition of ownership title through long-term cultivation according to the Ottoman Land Code is no longer possible.



    ( Land theft legitimized -)


    1969 Land Law


    concluded land registration in Israel based on the earlier British registry and all subsequent Israeli laws, and abolished all previous conflicting registration. Additional unworked lands were registered as state property, a step effecting especially the Bedouin in al Naqab (Negev) who did not hold official titles for vast lands used historically as grazing grounds.

    Under the 40 some laws adopted by the state of Israel, including those cited above, close to 93% of Palestinian land, including 80% of the Islamic Waqf property, has become - in the terms of Israeli law - "Lands of Israel", i.e. defacto state lands. Palestinians inside Israel privately own no more than 3% of the land due to five decades of expropriation.



    Today, Palestinian community organizations and NGOs, arguing on the basis of recent Israeli anti-discrimination legislation (1992 Basic Law:--- Human Dignity and Freedom and 1994), are better equipped to challenge Israel's discriminatory laws and policies. Lobby initiatives have been launched for Palestinian access to remaining Islamic Waqf properties and for the adoption of alternative Israeli master plans; confiscation of Palestinian property - whether by the Custodian of Absentee Property or by the state - no longer goes unchallenged.

    Persistent legal struggle of the Palestinian minority in Israel has become a tool for the protection of the lands and properties of those who remained. However, for the majority of disowned Palestinians, refugees and rightful owners of the major portion of lands and properties confiscated by the Israeli state, Israel's current legal system does not leave a loophole for effective restitution claims.
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    http://www.badil.org/al-majdal/item/1055-land-ownership-in-palestine/israel-1920-2000





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  15. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    but...but...but...Israel said they don't want anything to happen that may negate the rights of absentee landowners?

    Israeli govt= hypocrites.

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    but Israel designated 900,000 dunams of land from unregistered to State land, even though the absentee Palestinians weren't able to challenge this!!

    Israeli govt.= hypocrites.

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    Under British & Jordanian laws, farmers could register the land as private land if they farms parts of the parcel for at least 10 years.

    Israel CHANGED this to at least 50% of the land, or they lose it all!!!!

    Israeli govt. changes existing law, which means they ignore existing law.

    Israeli govt.=hypocrites.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The Jordanian, British, Ottoman laws are still respected in the West Bank

    It says that private lands that became state lands wont be able to be returned to their owners, even if they hold official title and that acquistion title according to the Ottoman land code.

    BTW- in 1960 Israel wasnt the responsibale in the West Bank.

    In this secion you are talking about the land registiration inside of Israel! Therefore, it didnt talk about the West Bank.
    It doesnt contridact what I wrote.

    Israel is respecting the Islamic Waqf properties, and the evidence for it is the existance of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and Israel is leting Muslims pray there.
    Let us not forget, that this is not contridacting what I wrote.
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, they have changed the laws.

    Israeli govt.=lying hypocrites.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Israel obeying laws, like I showed you, but you prefer to ignore it.

    Once again:
    Stop ignoring what I'm writing!

    According to the Ottoman law, the farmers can do it, IF the state (= Israel) doesnt object it. When the state onject the cultivation in miri lands, then the lands are no longer can be register as private but as "state land".

    Stop ignoring the laws!
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel isn't obeying laws if they are changing them.

    Israeli govt.=lying thieves!!!!!
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I already showed you that they obeying laws, read again my comments and stop ignoring the laws!

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    Israel doesnt change anythin but respecting them!
    I already showed you by your sources how they respect them, but you continue to ignore it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel isn't obeying the laws, they changed them.

    Stop ignoring Israeli govt. theft & lies!!

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    Israel has a NEW law that says if the farmer isn't cultivating at least 50% of the entire parcel, the LOSE IT ALL!!!!

    this isn't written in the Ottoman, British, or Jordanian law. Its a new regulation.

    Israeli govt.= lying thieves.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has CHANGED pre-existing law, to make it much more strict so as to forward their racist agenda.

    The strict cultivation requirement – the 50-percent rule – applied by Israel to the West Bank contradicts the local Law, as interpreted in the Mandatory case law and as applied under Jordanian rule. As a result of this strict requirement, Israel declared as state land broad swaths of land that would have been classified private property under local Law. In so doing, Israel severely injured the property rights of Palestinians.

    Israeli govt.=lying thieves!!
     
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    I'm not ignoring! I'm just aware about the laws that exist in the West Bank. Somthing that you prefer not to and you actually ignore te laws +your sources.

    The UN contridact your claim, when the UN said that Israel took easing mesures in the West Bank to the Arab population.

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    The UN contridact your claim, when the UN said that Israel took easing mesures in the West Bank to the Arab population.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    hahaha!!!!! so now you reject info from B'tselem simply because it says something you don't like???

    first you accept my source and now you reject it? that's not very honest.

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    The UN has never contradicted this claim by Peace Now and Btselem.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The facts are telling me otherwise.
    The UN said already that Israel did several of easing mesures to benefit the Arabs in the West Bank. It seems that you are ignoring that.

    "Peace Now" is using information that doesnt distinguish between Arab lands and Jewish lands, therefore, they contridacting themselves.
    The UN said already that Israel did several of easing mesures to benefit the Arabs in the West Bank. It seems that you are ignoring that.
     

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