Flaws in the US Education

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  1. Whyisitthatway?

    Whyisitthatway? New Member

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    The U.S. education system is flawed. This is the country of equal opportunity, and yet it is almost impossible for anyone who is under privileged to get into a college that would give them great opportunity, if any college at all. Why is college so unbelievably expensive? WHY DOES IT PUT PEOPLE IN LONG LASTING DEBT?!? On top of that there are people that have to work rather than go to school, that don't have time to do the assignments at home so their grades drop, that can't sustain a grade that will give them a head start. Why, why does no one see this almost unbreakable cycle of an underprivileged family raising children that can't get a good enough GPA for a good education, causing them to not get a good job, and be underprivileged as well?
    How is this still a problem? Why are other countries more important than ours? Why are ANIMALS more important than our citizens? Why are commercials to help support animal shelters more common than this for assisting human beings? Why are there never commercials for helping people locally? Are our citizens animals? Are they inferior to them even?
     
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    The American high school textbook, titled “Traditions and Encounters: A Global Perspective on the Past, states that the Japanese Army forcibly recruited as many as 200,000 women to serve in military brothels. But many academic historians say that there is no solid historical evidence that Japanese soldiers forcibly rounded up Korean women, contrary to the testimonies of former comfort women, and America's multicultural education tends to overemphasise the persecution of minority groups by dominant ethnic groups to the degree that it distorts history and misinform pupils on some important issues.

     
  3. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    There are several reasons. One, it is expensive to pay tenured professors to sit in an office smoking pipes and reading newspapers. Two, every member of a Board of Regents gets to have a new building named after them, whether the building gets used or not. Three, college presidents have become rock stars. Their primary purpose is to give speeches to Rotary clubs (we recently got a new president at the local state university. It cost $13,000,000 to refurbish her office before she moved in. No (*)(*)(*)(*)!!!) Four, something not related to tuition is the cost of textbooks. The mandatory latest edition comes out every semester, with the only change being to the publishing date. You have to buy the latest edition because the bookstores will not buy back the previous edition. Five, football and basketball coaches are rock stars and are usually the highest paid employees in the state. They make more than the governor and the university president, and usually more than the Medical Director at the university hospital/med school (as an aside, if your college has a med school, expect tuition for non-med students to be high. There is, afterall, a prestige factor, and with prestige comes cost).
     
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    I pretty much agree with you (one of those rare times). I would also add that luxury for students is part of that increased cost, and a great increase in number of administrators. By luxury, I mean the quality of the dorms, and things like fitness centers/climbing walls, etc. When I was in college in the early 1980s, dorms were bare bones, painted cinderblock, etc. Now, they resemble luxury hotels.
     
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    Whomever told you the US was a country of equal opportunity lied to you. The US is a country owned by the elite and run for the benefit of the elite. The purpose of the educational system is to create drones to work in repetitive mind numbing jobs and to become mindless consumers who will follow the religion of consumerism in order to support the lifestyle of the elite.

    The purpose of College to condition you to take your place as a mid level authoritarian within the system. Upon graduation you will receive a pass that will allow you to push past the glass ceiling that holds back those who have not achieved the level of indoctrination that you have achieved. If you have been lucky, you will have made friends during your college years who can help you later in life.
    You will also receive the balance of your debt which will force you to sell your soul and your sacrifice your morals in order to maximize profits for your employer in order to survive while repaying your massive debts. You will do this because you will be desperate and your employer will know you are desperate.
    Lest you think any of this is evidence of flaws in the education system, think again. This is exactly how the system is supposed to work.
    It is not designed to benefit you, it is designed to benefit your masters. Welcome to the real world.
     
  6. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    College is expensive because of easy-to-get (and hard to pay off) financial assistance programs driving up tuitions. I worked myself through college, but I don't think that is a possibility these days.
     
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    What are you talking about, look at Barack Obama. He had everything going against him.

    He was a half breed, half black, half white.

    Hiis father was a Marxist and his mother was communist sympathiser who hated white men. Barack was a "red diaper baby."

    Barack smoked dope instead of being in the classroom.

    Barack lived in Hawaii and didn't surf. If that's not a red flag.

    Academicaly if Barack were white he would have never been allowed to step on the campus of Occidental College and Columbia University.

    How many people graduate from college without earning a GPA ?

    Name just one country where a community organizer could be elected to the highest office in the country ? Nazi Germany and Stalins Soviet Union don't count.
     
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    Seems the above is mostly diatribe so no way to fairly respond to your post? However, IMO, with the exception of a few percent, even if you provided 100% free college education to all US citizens, not much would change. All it would do is create more reasons to whine about 'equal opportunity' and how all systems are failing but never look in the mirror to see the real failure. People whining about their own failure is a pity-party! No one ever said achieving one's potential is going to be a cakewalk?! But to come out a winner, each person needs to evaluate every moment of every day and make better decisions which keep them on course to achieve whatever it is they wish to achieve...it truly is this simple...
     
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    One big problem is it's a 'one size fits all' approach that does not adequately prepare students for obtaining real work.
    They just try to send everyone off to a university, when in reality that may not be the path for all, or even most, students. And if the only goal is just to try to get the students graduate degrees, that's not going to be very helpful to society as a whole; everyone will just be competing against eachother for jobs.
     
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    It is impossible to educate all people precisely for the job position which they will eventually fill.

    Employers will rarely find a new employee, no matter their credentials, in which they don't need substantial on-the-job training. But an employer expects that those with relative education and/or appropriate education will quickly learn and excel in their jobs.

    People need to obtain as much knowledge as possible which will assist them in being successful in their chosen careers...
     
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    A lot of this problem comes from two things, well seasoned baby boomers with lots of experience and high unemployment, allowing employers to choose the absolute best of the best. Once most old folks retire and unemployment goes below 4% employers will be more willing to hire noobs and train them or give some guidance.
     
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    Common Core is not the solution.:thumbsdown:
     
  13. tkolter

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    What about parental and personal responsibility you want references and job skills volunteering is great for that. Libraries are available in communities of any decent size free access to books, educational DVD's and magazines so use those. And the Internet is full of educational archives, videos and the like for free once your on, Very basic internet and a low cost computer is within the reach of the majority of people now in many areas, dial-up also around but will limit your computer options.

    Children have Summers off its a fine time to read a good deal, and a routine of reading is easy to tack onto public school time.
     
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    Public school teachers are leftists. That makes them fair game for hatred.
     
  15. BrianBoo

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    Oh please. :roll:

    Just lump all teachers into one stereotypical category. :thumbsdown:

     
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    This thread quickly illustrates the failure of the U.S. education system. For whatever cracks you fell through, I apologize for the system failing you. Thank God, we still need ditch diggers. (cue to Albert Di Salvo claiming to the contrary, that he is highly intelligent, educated, and successful despite his apparent mental deficits).
     
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    Just where did this idea that the US is the land of "equal opportunity" come from? It use to be just "opportunity." Being equal before the law, and not having burdensome regulations that prevented people from engaging in commerce meant opportunity for anyone willing to take it. "Equal opportunity" is likely impossible to achieve and, if possible, only by creating equal opportunity for misery and servitude.
     
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    You don't seem like a very nice person!
     
  19. Albert Di Salvo

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    Ok, let's call them all trade unionists.
     
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    My consideration is first is our system for the diversity of our population, illegal and legal immigrant children and frankly uneven economics creating pockets of poverty and wealth doing badly? Overall students can perform in literacy and mathematics at the 9th grade level as adults, have some body of general knowledge and are trainable in many kinds of work. We can count on a good number doing better than this and some also don't but this as a basis of a marker means the schools seem to be doing okay. So parents using other resources should be able to add to this education if they choose to and if not then its parents failing in their duty to oversee each child's education even if the schools are poor,
     
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    what about private school teachers? what about public school teachers who tutor privately on the weekends?
     
  22. Albert Di Salvo

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    Private school teachers compose only ten percent of all teachers. That's de minimus.

    Public school teachers who tutor privately may be the exception which proves the general rule.
     
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    [video=youtube;65ZUl4bIBD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ZUl4bIBD8[/video]

    A Kennesaw State University has placed an academic adviser on administrative leave while the school investigates a student’s viral 30-second video of his interaction with her. In the video, Abby Dawson, the school’s director of advising and internships in the Department of Exercise Science and Sport Management, accused the student of “harassment” for apparently sitting in the room and waiting to speak with his academic adviser. Kevin Bruce, a rising senior at the Georgia school, uploaded the video of the interaction on Wednesday night.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/15/video-of-university-adviser-accusing-student-of-harassment-touches-a-nerve/
     
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    Not sure what you are talking about in terms of uniforms? Do you think we should or shouldn't have them?

    Roughly speaking, about 20% of U.S. public schools require school uniforms.
     
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    Maybe I don't get this our education system still produces ,with a broad and diverse population with very poor to wealthy people, a system that still produced students who test in the top quarter of all nations on the planet and who largely are literate (99% general functional literacy) and usually become trainable adults who can work. Not everyone will be college material or be able to do highly technical work using a common spread of say 1,000,000 students about 300,000 will be well above the norm bright to brilliant this could be in different form like being really creative ir a practical area genius. 300,000 will be noticeably below average this group would likely be limited in the jobs they can do working in classic assembly line bolting parts and assembling cars largely what we use robots for now. And the rest in between trainable and likely could develop some skills learning a skilled trade.

    You can do this for social skills, physical aptitudes, artistic ability and so forth.

    So I would think expecting every child to be able to do complex work is unrealistic especially if your talking technical work.
     

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