4 U.S. Weapons of War That Need to Be Retired Now

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/4-us-weapons-war-need-be-retired-now-12055

    Everyone has long known that US Army - a bubble. With great PR from Hollywood. The army, which alone has not won a single war with a decent (equal power) opponent. All hope for Hollywood. Rambo and Texas Ranger raise the patriotic spirit.
    I interesting, Americans, tell me briefs from the national flag in support groups at a sporting event - really raise patriotism?
    But it does not matter. What is important is that corruption in the Pentagon and the Ministry of Defence transmutation army in rabble (we all remember drunk at nuclear facilities, Abu Ghraib sadists, rape in the military and so on.), Armed scrap metal.
    Also we see as a consequence of corruption - an expensive aircraft debris F-35. This is for you, any specialist will confirm. (I wonder how many officials in the military bought a new "Bentley"?)

    What do you think about this? How do you assess the state of now the US Armed Forces? And what is the basis for your opinion? What do you think - Do we need so many victims were in all the wars launched by the US in the Middle East, Ukraine and Europe (remember Yugoslavia?)?
    Tell me your opinion - that received from this US? I do not see the benefits to the American people. What is the result? Really only contempt and shame. And the collapse of the US Army?

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    P/S:
    In the meantime. Motor-racing, the new route "Paris - Dakar", four Russian teams in four Russian trucks - Kamaz, took the first four places in these races.
     
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    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Lol really?
     
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    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The M16 has always been like that though, it's main advantage was more accuracy.
     
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    It's true. But you must admit that this little use if the gun can not shoot at a crucial moment.
     
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    ararmer1919 Banned

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    Jesus tap dancing chits this is hilarious. The Russian army must really have small penisidous.
     
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    The M16/M4 is one of the most reliable, accurate, and effective weapons on the planet. It is easily assembled and resembled and compared to most weapons cleaning, even in the field, is ridiculously fast, simple and easy. I can clean my M4 in 5 minutes after days of use. Your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about it not firing at a crucial moment is laughable.
     
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    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    How many wars are actually fought between equal power opponents and without help? How much of victory is due to will rather than technology? How much of defeat is due to politics rather than military power?
     
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    I'm not familiar with the differences between the M-16 and the M-4, but I've fairly consistently have had problems with the M-16 (A1 & A2 versions) jamming after what I would consider fairly limited use. Is that the case with the M-4?
     
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    The M4 is just a cut down version of the M16. The large and heavy M16 butt stock is replaced with a a smaller adaptable one and the barrel is several inches shorter. Great for clearing houses. Sacrifices some range though. Iv actually never used the A1 A2 models, but I do know that the A4 model we use today has several differences. Longer and wider barrel. Rifling is different, and I'm not sure if this is the problem with your A1 but the rifle was originally designed for a different bullet. Not sure which but I'm sure that will cause problems.

    As for my M4, I've had a few magazine feed jams, but those are usually just user error and are easy as tap, rack, bang to fix.
     
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    For you will, I think, need examples? Is not it?
    For example Bolshevik Russia (USSR) against the interventionists (Japan, USA, Poland, France, Britain, Czech Republic, and many others)
    With that in total economic blockade. Also in Russian - Persian wars in the 18-19th century . The Persians were at that time one of the most influential military powers. Also, the Russian-Turkish (Turkey controlled half of Europe at the time), Russian - Swedish (Swedish strongest army in Europe at the time)...and so on. I'm talking about this.
     
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    Are you an expert? On the "right moment" I'm not talking. So say US experts on small arms. But you are probably the most experienced expert?
     
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    I don't think you understood my questions. What does an economic blockade have to do with have to do with wars being fought between opponents of equal power?
     
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    No, it's just the forum trolls.

    I have a few Russian friends here in the states and one of living in Kursk, they are all great people.

    When you ask hem about politics they are proud people whom are concerned with what's going on. Not like these paid trolls who run up random articles that make nonsense like this.

    The M4 has been proven by so many to be more accurate, more versatile and flat our a more affective gun than it's Ruskie equivalent AK74.

    If he wanted to come make sense of it, he would have said "for the price" being that the M4 costs about three times as much to field as he AK74. But saying it is a bad rifle is funny at best.

    He stuff about the F18 and AMRAAMS is just flat out histerically inaccurate. I have no info on the minutemen so I will refrain from commenting.
     
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    I never said the All the US is an expert on small arms (it is though), nor did I say I was. As a Marine Veteran with extensive use with these weapons I can say I know a fair amount though. I'm guessing you've never fired a weapon in your life?
     
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    This is true.
     
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    You might be surprised by this then: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/
     
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    Not many and never intentionally. A fair fight is one where neither side prepared adequately.




     
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    moving , this is not the correct forum
     
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    There's no such thing on this earth as a fair fight
     
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    Well said, can alway tell those that have seen some type of combat by the words they chose. My father was a special forces marine in Vietnam, when I asked to join the service after high school he threw a right cross and knocked me out cold.

    He has passed away since, but I know he saw things that gave him the reasoning to do so,

    Hell I fight at 185 for CAMO (currently 3-0 as an amateur) and each fight is completely BASED on making it uneven.

    Are you faster? Use it.

    Are you stronger? Use it

    Are you smarter? Use it

    If your fighting fair, your an idiot
     
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    Exactly this.
     
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    I've never been terribly impressed with the M4. I think the M416 (G36 components in an M4 frame) is a worthwhile replacement.

    The F/A-18A+/C/D is an excellent airframe that soldiered on very well. At least it can use its cannon. The same cannot be said for the JSF.

    The AIM-120 missile is a BVR missile. BVR missile combat started out as a worthy goal, but in practice, it was a capability that was never reached. Very, VERY few A2A kills have ever been done beyond visual range, it numbers in the teens. Most of them were accomplished with shorter range infrared guided missiles like the AIM-9 Sidewinder. BVR combat is an elusive pipe dream because NOBODY'S can hit the broadside of a barn. During the Ethiopian-Eritrean War, Russian mercenary pilots fired over two dozen AA-10 Alamo missiles (Russian equivalent of the Sparrow), resulting in one partial kill. The pilot crash-landed the plane after it was hit.
     
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    Your assumption is wrong. But as always. (In Russia no man, who did not serve in the army. (besides women and critically ill people))

    My Lai? Abu Ghraib? At what time did you serve? You write - "with extensive use with these weapons". Maybe Uruguay in 1970? American experts on torture, this year, trained his skill local fighters for "democracy" in order to combat anti-American opposition. And teach them to shoot.
    Maybe Bolivia in 68th (this year, Americans helped catch Che Gevare. And a lot of shooting.)? Laos? Cambodia? Chile? Zaire? Tell us about your exploits during his service in the army. By the way, we could meet you in Afghanistan. In the '80s. Bali you there?
     
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    Thank you for your comment on the topic. Was interestingly your opinion and your arguments.
     
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    You are an immigrant from Russia or other former Soviet republics? Or do you just want to go to the country where gay marriages are allowed?

    Write correctly - "Russian equivalent AK74."

    "Ruskie equivalent AK74." - wrong.

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