Reparations for Slavery: No legal argument.

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  1. Sab

    Sab Active Member

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    Today I saw another attempt by a group demanding reparations for Slavery. In the USA a group has stated it is going to sue companies that were involved and even several universities which had grants given to them by people who made money out of it.


    There is clearly no legal basis for this. Do any of them really beleive that there is any merit to a litigation when no law was broken?
     
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    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    If the police find out my grandfather committed a crime, and he passed away 20 years ago they do not charge me. How is slavery a issue that I was involved in. I no grandparents that was here earlier than 1885.
    How is charging people with a crime that they did not do fair?
     
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    Its worse than that its charging you for what your grandfather did even though it wasnt a crime when he did it.
     
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    Did today's German have anything to do with the Holocaust that Jewish people suffered?
     
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    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    What does that have to do with reparations? And again what control to I have over what my grandfather did? How can things that other people did be my fault? It is like me saying that parents of murders should also be charged with their kid. And no Germans born today had nothing to do with what happened.
     
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    It more like this;

    Your grandfather robbed his neighbour. Your grandfather gave all of the gold he stole from the neighbour to your father and in turn your father passed it on to you.
    That neighbours grandson became King and he wants all of that Gold under your floorboards that you stole because it is his families gold.
     
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    Am I eligible for reparations too since I lost two ancestors who fought for the North during the Civil War to free the slaves? Where is the line forming?
     
  8. Lil Mike

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    I think there is a legal argument to support the basis of lawsuits like this.

    Corporations, unless they liquidate, are "immortal." So a corporation that may have been tangentially involved in slavery, say, they leased slaves for construction work, are said to profit from slavery. So, that corporation was later bought by another corporation, which then went bankrupt and spun off various sections, some of which were bought by other companies...

    And on to the present day, where those corporations can be sued.

    Aetna, CSX, FleetBoston face slave reparations suit
     
  9. Sab

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    It was the Germany immediately after the war that made reparations to Israel.

    Germany also broke existing laws during the holocaust. The USA broke no existing laws.

    Also the German state actually committed the acts. Slavery was a private business

    There is no legal case

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    No because theft is a crime and slavery was NOT a crime then

    Also US blacks are better off as a result of slavery than if they has stayed as lower caste africans

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    And how can they be sued if it was NOT a crime when it was committed?

    Your link is 13 years old doesnt seem like this suit hasw any merit.

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    And what happened to that case from 13 years ago?

    There is NO legal case to sue someone for a legal action
     
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    What control does today's German have to do with what they're grandfathers did?

    Slavery was not about an individual act, just as the Holocaust was not about an individual act. These atrocities were the law of that land and sanctioned by the Gov't. That is why it took a Constitutional Amendment to end slavery.
     
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    That is false, why do you think it took a constitutional amendment to end slavery if it was just a private business.
     
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    And they we are IT WAS THE LAW in the USA. What Nazi germany is paying reparations for was against the Geneva and Berne Conventions and that is what they are paying for. There is no new reparation claim.


    Yopu have no legal claim whatsoever. None. You idiots tried it a decade ago and it was thrown out of court. No one owes you anything,
     
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    The only idiots that think there is not claim are racist fools who probably wish slavery was still alive and well. To try and make the argument that no slaves are still alive today is nothing more than a cop-out. The devastation of slavery, Jim Crow segregation, racism and discrimination still have an effect to this day. The biggest excuse we have heard made today is that no one alive today was ever a slave, but there are many black folks still alive and well today who came through the shackles of Jim Crow segregation and racism.
     
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    I think some of them know they have no case.

    But there are a lot of other people who.... well..... I'll let the video show it:

    [video=youtube;zWV862VWelw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWV862VWelw[/video]
     
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    Why does everyone in the discussions fixate on slavery as the reason for reparations? That was only the first phase (albeit the longest-lasting) of oppression forced onto African-Americans. It's not like everything turned out hunky-dory for them after the 13th Amendmen in 1865, as if things like segregation, sundown towns, and other forms of discrimination didn't follow.

    Even if you don't go so far as to blame white people for everything bad that happens to black people in the US today, only a historical illiterate would deny that America's long history of subordinating and alienating its black residents set the foundation for their disproportionately "underclass" status. That's how they were pushed into that position in the first place. Even most of the social problems still affecting black communities at a higher rate, or at least the ones conservatives love using to admonish them, would have never come about if they were never forced into conditions conducive to social breakdown. No one in their right mind can deny that the legacy of anti-black oppression still persists. And we still nmust address it in one way or another, even if we don't label it as "reparations for slavery".
     
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    So what reparations should be made.... and how do you formulate the amounts of cash? (since that's what they want).
     
  17. Right is the way

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    I say you first go to Africa and collect money from the people who sold the slave to the white traders. Then maybe we can talk.
     
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    Reparations may only be paid to living victims and Japanese Americans like Norman Mineta, who were interned during the Second World War, received $20,000 each in the 1980s, totalling $1.2 billion. But the Atlantic slave trade was abolished by the British under the Slave Trade Act of 1807 and the last surviving victim of the Atlantic slave trade died more than a century ago. In a similar fashion, more than 165,000 convicts were transported to Australia over 80 years until the late 19th century, when the transportation of convicts to Western Australia ceased in 1868, and these British convicts, who were shipped off to Australia, suffered as much as African slaves did.
     
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    I don't think personally that these suites do have merit. But that doesn't mean that lawsuits like this can't go forward. Eventually, in front of the right judge, one will succeed and then the precedent will be set.
     
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    Initially the white slavers didnt pay a penny, they just kidnapped people. Knowing that, will you now pay up reparations?

    Also the consequences of the atlantic slave so- called trade had an overwhelmingly negative impact on Afrika and conversely a hugely positive impact on the american economy and industrial revolution. Therefore, expectation of West Afrika to compensate anybody BEFORE any compensation is paid by white slavers is unethical.
     
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    Wrong. If you think it works the way you saw it in roots you have your head in the sand.
     
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    grate rebuttal.

    smh.
     
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    Point out where the US government owned slaves. If it wasn't public business, then it was private business.

    It took an amendment to outlaw slavery because slavery was legal in the South. By specifically making it illegal to own slaves, the federal gov't forestalled the southern states from returning to the status quo prior to the War Between the States.
     
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    Where did you get this idea? Initially the whites bought the slaves from Arab slave traders. Afterward, they went to the source and bought Blacks from other Blacks. It's just not economically feasible to run around hoping you'll run into a group of people - not too old, too young or too numerous - that can be enslaved. Much cheaper to buy them as a commodity.

    What negative economic consequences in Africa? Most of the people in Sub-Saharan Africa were living in the Bronze or Iron Age. Those that weren't were stuck in the Stone Age. It's not as if the slave trade decimated the African kingdoms that traded slaves with the Europeans. The trade improved their economies by providing goods that otherwise would not have been available.

    Claiming that slavery had a positive impact on the industrial revolution is a pretty shaky claim. Slaves made it cheaper to do things by hand rather than buy a machine. After all, a machine can do only one thing, but a slave can do lots of things. I would say the practice of slavery hampered the industrial revolution.
     
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    Why do so many people feel reparation is about the past? Reparation is simply a means to an end and that end is wealth redistribution.

    IMO, you can blame public schools preaching injustice of European dominance, both around the World, culminating in the US.
    If your heritage is American Indian, your taught your land was taken from you, if Hispanic, the US took land from Mexico, if Black, you came here by force and if your just from someplace, influenced by the British Empire who pilfered resources and labor. Never mind what the Brit's did for societies around the World or what the America's influence and her Constitution has meant to mankind, especially for human freedom and economically.

    Here is one way reparations were given. It's more from recent times, but in the end is all about redistributing tax payers money for something few ever even knew happened.

     

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