Clean Break Strategy _Bibi and the PNAC

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  1. Margot2

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    The Neo-cons working with Bibi brought you the war on Iraq.. and now Syria and ISIS.

    A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values".

    It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting their possession of "weapons of mass destruction".

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    recently, Netanyahu suggested that President Bush had assured him Iran will be prevented from going nuclear.

    I take him at his word. Netanyahu seems to be the main mover in America’s official adoption of the 1996 white paper A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bibi might be an Israeli war hero, but he is also a warmonger dedicated to Eretz Yisroel.

    Seems many right wing Americans also support annexation of the WB et.al. at the expense of the Palestinians. Not that they have much of a clue in this regard.

    After all they are all muslim terrorists who don't deserve freedom or self determination.

    I wonder what security crisis will arise in the next couple few weeks to influence the election outcome.
     
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    Manufacturing a security crisis requires coordination and secure communication. This is no time to have a communication between Bibi and the neocons intercepted by the NSA. His coming to America to deliver a speech to Congress is a ruse.
     
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    Hmmmmmmmm.. What else could Bibi do to create a security crisis?
     
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    Are you serious? Do you mean what could he do now that he hasn't already done?
     
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    Point taken...
     
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    I wasn't trying to be rude; just wasn't sure I understood your question.

    But as you know, Richard Perle et al used to have their offices in the Pentagon. I'm pretty much thinking the sky is the limit as to what the neocons could do to create a security crisis.
     
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    Yes.. probably so....
     
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    Israel is the only solid dam in a river of hate and terrorism!!
     
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    It is so incredibly Islamophobic to support one State with full civil rights for all citizens - no matter, whether Jews, Moslems or Christians.
    Far more than genocide of Moslems in Angola, Central African Republic or Myanmar.
    Have you ever condemned them ?
    Or have you ever demanded Spain to return the occupied cities of Ceuta and Melilla to their lawful owner-the Moslem Arab State of Morocco ?
    Or maybe at least the Perejil Island ?
     
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    NOOOOOOOO Bibi has made a lot of dissenters angry because he still believes in the TWO State solution

    WRONG! It is not only Americans but more than half the population of Israel, I included!


    This is an emotional blurt that has and does not make any progressive meaning.
    Once you accept that this is the Land of the Jews worldwide, I am sure things will look brighter to you!
     
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    Yeah, sure, pal.
     
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    Israel was founded in blood and terrorism.. and they have created many, many problems for the West with their constant expansion.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's NEVER given more than lip service to it, while his governments policies continue to expand the land grab.

    His version, like yours of a two state solution already exists. Israel and Jordan.




    that is a lie.




    Israel is the jewish homeland, but its also the land of a couple million muslims and few hundred thousand Christians and tens of thousands of others.

    We shall see if there is a security crisis in the coming weeks.
     
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    Huh? Eretz Yisroel has NOTHING to do with Islamophobia and everything to do with the "god given" boundaries of the jewish homeland.

    As for your tangential questions, I have and do condemn ALL violence in the name of <insert god of choice here>.
     
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    The State of Israel has no more in common with Islamophobia than any other free, pluralistic and democratic State like America or Canada.

    I am an avowed non-believer.

    I don't know in whose name Spain is still occupying the cities of Ceuta and Melilla.
    But will believe you if you post here a few thousands pieces demanding Spain to return them to the Moslem Arab State of Morocco !
     
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    It's irrelevant what your personal position is.

    Or the UK occupying Gibraltar and the Falkland islands etc etc.

    The thing is, an important thing, that these days unlike the past we got international law.
    And Israel has been violating that international for more than half a century, by ethnic cleansing beyond their recognized borders to replace an ethnicity that lives there with their population of an other ethnicity. That war criminals way of expanding of their racist nation is not happening at Ceuta or anywhere else. Obviously.



    I'm with Nelson Mandela. He supported violence against racist oppressive thugs. And it's not as if a person who politically supports a political party that got on their agenda to ethnic cleanse some more, is innocent. It's not as if being/were part of a military organisation that ethnic cleanses, makes you an innocent bystander. And it's not as if a person prospering on ethnic cleansed land is innocent.

    But it's too often claimed that it is though.
     
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    What "ethic cleansing" ?
    The Arabs compose almost one fourth of Israeli population !
    And two third of them are proud to be Israelis !
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Extensive-poll-finds-Jews-Arabs-proud-to-be-Israeli-386602

    They did not "occupy them in the past", they are still occupying them !

    He backed and praised oppressive thugs Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat.

    Ceuta was cleansed from Arabs/Moslems immediately after its capture.
    And now ?
    Darfur, Syria, Iraq, Myanmar, Tibet -and I could find many more examples of (genocidal) ethnic cleansings !
     
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    15,000 MORE Jewish settlers moved into the West bank in 2014 and 200,000 are now living in East Jerusalem... If Bibi wants a 2 state solution, what's stopping him?
     
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    Please analyze what you wrote above, because it does not square with reality.
    a) The mandate that <reconstituted> Israel was legal.
    b) The Mandate that <created> Iraq was also a legal Mandate.
    c) The French Mandate of the Levant (Syria Lebanon) was also Legal.

    It is high time for you to upgrade your knowledge and <purge> the fantasies!

    N.B. The Mandate given to the Brits to <reconstitute> the Jewish homeland was a <WHOLE> and yet the Brits surreptitiously subdivided it into Jordan and the Jewish Homeland!!!
     
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    There are now practically Half a Million Jewish settlers on Government and private land, in Judea and Samaria... plus your count of 200,000 in East Jerusalem... This signals the <NON ISRAELI ARABS> to cut and leave, this is not their land to squat on! Hey... I am not counting the cut olive trees for they have been replaced with Greek and Italian samplings.
     
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    Oh, I am not adverse to war, just when waged in the name of some mythical magical loving creator.

    Are you suggesting that all the Germans who were in the Wehrmacht were just as guilty of the crimes committed by the SS?
     
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    In East Jerusalem Bibi has evicted Arabs who had lived in their homes for many generations to build government subsidized apartments for Haredi.

    You can't replace 800,000 ancient olive trees that the Palestinians have cultivated for hundreds of years.
     
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    Hogwash, balderdash, etc.,
     
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    This post is unique for you... It belongs to Prof. Steven Plaut of Haifa University and I HB dedicate it to you my friend Jonsa.

    1. The Israeli Labor Party and its Meretz mentors have a new election strategy: Forget talking about security issues - they know all Israelis blame THEM for what happened in Gaza. Forget economic and domestic policy - all Israelis know they just want higher taxes, more regulation, more spending, and more controls.

    Their new strategy is "It is Us or HHHIIIIIMMM." In other words, try to capitalize on the public's dislike of Bibi. Bibi is a monster, a horror, a threat, chime the Left's gongs in unison. Just do not ask us what WE represent!

    Except the public does not dislike Bibi. He is at least 3 times as popular as weenie Herzog and almost everyone in Israel considers Tzipi Livni and Zehava Galon (from Meretz) to be uber-dingbats. Bibi is disliked only by the people with whom Herzog, Livni, and Galon socialize. And they represent a tiny minority. The fact that they do not understand this reminds me of the professor at a leftist college who insisted that Reagan could not possibly have just won the election because HE (the prof) did not know a single person who voted for Reagan!

    2. You know how the tenured Left and their fellow travelers in the media are suddenly all wringing their hands over the "politicization" of the Israel Prizes? Because Netanyahu decided that there should be some non-leftists on the committees, which in recent years more often than not consist of leftists handing out prizes to other leftists? THAT status quo was NOT politicization, whines the Fascist Left. Politicization is when the political monopoly of the Far Left over the prizes is challenged! Democracy is threatened when the hegemony of the radical Left is challenged anywhere by the elected representatives of the majority!

    Well, here is something worth noting. Not a single one of the whiners over the supposed "politicization" of the prizes by Netanyahu raised any objection to politicization when the University of Haifa decided that it was forbidden to grant an honorary PhD to Nobel Prize Laureate Yisrael Aumann because he holds incorrect political opinions.

    The Left's hysteria about Netanyahu purging the Israel Prize committees: http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/...-of-the-israel-prize-committees/2015/02/11/0/

    3. Want to know why all the election polls in Israel keep getting it so wrong? The polls are conducted among samples of those with land lines. Many many young Israelis have only a cell line and are not included in the samples. Young Israelis fought in Gaza and are far less likely to be leftists than the older chattering classes.
    Stay tuned for the actual results.

    4. Q: How did they really find out that Brian Williams was lying his ass off?

    A: It was when he claimed he was there when the Palestinian nation was first born.

    5. One of the ironies in the merger of the United Arab party, a mix of Stalinists and jihadists, is that it will attract some of the Jewish leftist voters for Meretz and may lead to Meretz following below the vote cutoff to get into the Knesset at all.

    6. Psychologists have developed a bizarre form of "conversion therapy," which is the controversial form of therapy designed to alter one's sexual orientation. The new form of the therapy is designed for male heterosexuals who seek to alter their sexual orientation. All they have to do is stare at this photo:

    http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/..._gen/derivatives/landscape_640/1602958745.jpg

    7. The appeal by the parents of Rachel Corrie to the Israeli Supreme Court was just tossed out. See http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...ects-Rachel-Corrie-wrongful-death-case-390836 Then see this earlier piece about the ISM Pancake from Washington State:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7117#.VNzDlvmUf-o

    8. Academic freedom at the publicly funded "Sapir College": http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191262#.VNye0eaUc3
     

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