How can this possibly be in the socialist paradise? I'm certain there'll be a huge stink about this. David Cameron said about 50,000 18-21-year-olds would be required to do daily work experience from day one of their claim, alongside job searching. All to try to keep them from being sucked into a life on welfare. Really? I'm certain some faceless bureaucrats are licking their lips over this. A whole new government agency tasked with making sure these youths work. At what? Doing public service can be attacked as forced servitude. Anyhow, read the story @ http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-31500763
The "Socialist Paradise" is your weird imagery alone. It has nothing to do with the reality of the UK (or anywhere else). It's just electioneering. This kind of idea pops up before most elections and gets forgotten shortly afterwards. There are votes (especially Conservative votes) in the idea of "cracking down on those lazy people on welfare" here just as there is in the US. The practical answers are more boring and less headline grabbing, especially for election campaigns. See? Yet another example of the UK (and Europe in general) being much more like the USA than you would maybe like to imagine.
If they are willing to pay them the going wage for the work they do, then I see no problem in this .. anything else is just a form of slave labour .. in the end though it's just a ploy to try and get some of those UKIP voters to turn back to the blue.
They should get minimum wage for an 18 hour(half) week which is 117 pounds. Housing benefit will then be adjusted accordingly. In the case of a couple with Children the 36 hours could be spread between two persons as they wish to divide it. Persons refusing to work properly would be denied all benefits.
France and Sweden, maybe, but not the UK (apart from Scotland, which is the only part of the UK which hasn't shaken off the type of Socialism which crippled the UK in the 1970s, which Thatcher resuced us from).
UK is pretty totalitarian. It is a huge welfare state, but the welfare is mostly just to keep the poor at bay, definitely not the type of "socialist paradise" of certain other countries.
Ah a bit of the old attack the dole bludger thing going on eh? Tories are good at that. Don't think, hang on, how come there aren't enough jobs in the economy for people, go straight to the attack on the 18 to 21 year olds who are all work-shy. And while you're at it, bring back National Service, that'll teach 'em. As long as Labour doesn't implode they have a good chance of rolling the coalition. This is desperate Tory politics.
Scotland is certainly more stuck in that old fashioned socialist cradle-to-the grave dogma attitude than the rest of the UK, but the rest ... England/Walse & NI certainly still has it still in spades. The road to serfdom & a totalitarian socialist state is well & truely established in the UK! Just imagine the outcry if someone suggested that Education & Healthcare should to be privatised!!! All this hang over from WWII that big Government & their plans are the best way to run a Country has so much enslaved the minds of so many, they don't see that is the thin end of a dangerous wedge that will surely lead to totalitarianism, loss of personal freedom until they are enslaved. An example of this hell in a handcart is, Morpath in Northumberland which has 60% of the workforce employed by the state. (Of course they all vote Labour in order to retain their ineffectual jobs, and that is why Labour like to boost that kind of workforce) Tax credits is yet another way to enslave the people to the socialist state. Bit by bit & slowly the Socialists have enslaved & brain washed so many into thinking that Government hand-outs are the only way to solve poverty, which is untrue. Who knows best how to spend their own money. The Individual or the inefficient Government? People should believe in Self reliance ! People can make choices for them selves much better than Government, people will spend their own money much better than Government will spend it for them. The Socialist state leads to a stagnant system where no one prospers & everyone is reliant on state funded hand-outs = slavery. Which leads to massive state debt & ultimately financial slavery for our children & all due to lazy & selfish attitudes of today's socialist thinking morons. How can I say much wicked things? What about the poor unemployed I hear those repressive communists say... Well I don't want to tell the poor what to do like the far left insists on doing, they can choose their own way. Of course we have to leave to EU to allow the British unemployed to be able to take the jobs that are certainly available for them if they were not enslaved by Government hand-outs that deter hem from working for themselves. Anyone who has any true knowledge of economy knows that Government planning is not the answer, but individual action is the way forward...
But the UK is the worst of both worlds, in a way. You have the government passing totalitarian laws, huge levels of government control over people's economic choices, but also a huge segment of working poor, kept afloat by some trivial government handouts, but also kept in their place by the system. Not to say the UK is not a meritocracy, but it is a meritocracy of the oppressive sort (some are able to make it, others not). Well, basically the real issue is lack of good employment opportunity, compounded by inequality, high levels of immigration, and high costs of living around London (which is really the only "vibrant" region of opportunity).
David Cameron is not a socialist, he is a capitalist in a socialist country. Their freedoms are infringed if they have to work for state money, that is slavery. Capitalists are always looking for profits everywhere, the young kids should vote to defend their rights not to work and live off the rich older generations.
That could be virtual slavery if the job opportunity had dried up in the economy. You really do not know what you're talking about. There are some regions with chronic underemployment; there simply are not enough adequate jobs to go around in those places. Yeah sure, when good jobs are plentiful most of the unemployed are probably lazy. But that's not always the case. When job opportunity starts becoming scarce, it's insidious what starts happening. Only the very worst jobs are left; and there's a reason those jobs have not been taken.
There are 1.9 million unemployed in the UK. There are 7.5 million foreign born immigrants in the UK. So all I would suggest is that there are 1.9 million less foreign born immigrants from the 7.5 million; so that British people can have British jobs before foreign immigrants. To me it makes no sense that if there are jobs to be had then why should cheap labour from abroad be brought into the Country when there are British subjects that require work. These figures of course debunk much of your comments. As for regions that have high unemployment, well all that can be said is that those people should "get on their bikes" and move to the areas where work is available. Currently it would be illegal to discriminate between British & EU & other nationalities as to who gets work. I disagree with this & insist that British people should always get (in fact forced to take) jobs before foreign workers, who should not be permitted to immigrate into the UK unless there is employment for them. I agree that there should be a national minimum wage that would permit a decent standard of living for all. The only people that benefit from unrestricted immigration are large multi-national corporations that can drive down wages & exploit the working-class.
