Quran Vs Bible

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others] and worship is for Allah alone.


Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."


Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."



Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"



Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."



Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).



Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.



Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."



Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."



Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."



Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."



Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."


All Religion is ancient bull(*)(*)(*)(*)....at least most of it has been laid aside in civilized countries. The ********s in the middle east are a few hundred years behind.

There are forty-two death-penalty sins in the Old Testament:

•Murder - Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14,20,23; Lev. 24:17,21; Num. 35:16-34; Deut. 19
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•Failing to circumcise - Gen. 17:14; Ex. 4:24,25.

•Eating leavened bread during feast of unleavened bread - Ex.
•2:15,19.

•Smiting Parents- Ex. 21:15.

•Kidnapping - Ex. 21:16; Deut. 24:7.

•Cursing Parents - Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9.

•Negligence with animals that kill - Ex. 21:28-32
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•Witchcraft - Ex. 22:18
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•Bestiality - Ex. 22:19; Lev. 18:23-29; 20:15,16.

•Idolatry - Ex. 22:20.

•Making holy anointing oil - Ex. 30:33.

•Putting holy anointing oil on strangers - Ex. 30:33
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•Making the holy perfume - Ex. 30:38.

•Defiling the Sabbath - Ex. 31:14.

•Working on the Sabbath - Ex. 35:2.

•Eating the flesh of the peace offerings in
•uncleanness - Lev. 7:20,21.

•Eating the fat of sacrifices - Lev. 7:25.

•Killing sacrifices other than at the door of the tabernacle - Lev. 17:1-9.

•Eating blood - Lev. 17:10-14.

•Incest - Lev. 18:6-29; 20:11-22.

•Eating sacrifices at the wrong time - Lev. 19:5-8
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•Consecration of children to idols - Lev. 20:1-5.

•Spiritualism - Lev. 20:6,27.

•Adultery - Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22-30
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•Sodomy/Homosexuality - Lev. 20:13.

•Relationship with a menstruous woman - Lev. 20:18.

•Whoredom - Lev. 21:9; Deut. 22:21,22.

•Sacrilege - Lev. 22:3.

•Refusing to fast on day of atonement - Lev. 23:29.

•Working on atonement - Lev. 23:30.

•Blasphemy - Lev. 24:11-16.

•Failure to keep the Passover - Num. 9:13.

•Presumptuous - Num. 15:30,31.

•Gathering firewood on the Sabbath - Num. 15:32,36.

•Failure to purify self before worship - Num. 19:13,20.

•False prophecy - Deut. 13:1-18; 18:20.

•Leading men away from God - Deut. 13:6-18.

•Stubbornness and rebelliousness - Deut. 21:18-23.

•Gluttony - Deut. 21:20-23.

•Drunkenness - Deut. 21:20-23.

•Backbiting - Deut. 17:2-7.

•False dreams and visions - Deut. 13:1-18.

 

Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran.

Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.


http://www.politicalislam.com/the-fictional-mohammed/

 

right, so lets just let pagans nuke and obliterate the religious ppl. thats what the romans tried and why the bible was written in the first place.

 

Outside of Africa, you probably won't find a single country in which a majority of Christians support implementing Old Testament law.

Islam, on the other hand...

 

This reminds me of something I just read.

 

That is right. Yet I listened to a right wing religious radio station a couple nights ago, and boy those Christians didn't sound like they had ever read what Christ tried to teach folks. So, one has to then come to the conclusion, that any so called Christian that wants to go and kill muslims, is a fake, an example of an anti Christ, someone who appears to be holy, but is anything but holy, or righteous. By their fruits ye shall know them. If they are not living the teachings of the person they claim to believe in, then they belong to satan, not Christ. He doesn't know them.

 

that maybe because its not your history or your book. of course europeans what to eradicate scripture, its not rocket science. the bible states that Israel will be taken captive into foreign lands and be enslaved for 400 years and no man shall redeem them [there]

 

The biblical God condones lots of violence. The Bible is filled with him sending people to war or helping them during it, he also has rewarded many people for fighting in battles. David comes to mind right off the bat.

A big difference between the Quran and the Bible is that the Bible is a set of principles from God whereas the entire Quran is a vision that Muhammad saw, it is completely open to not only his interpretation but the interpretation of everyone who reads it. I mean you can literally find volumes of works dedicated to explaining one page in the Quran.

 

Well that's not accurate because for the Muslim example they took the most extreme of the religion, but for the Jewish and Christian examples they didn't.

There are plenty of Christians and Jews around the world that have/would murder(ed) someone for being homosexual in the name of their religion, for example.

 

Every clear indication of the potential for violence in a religion can be found in its holy texts-


For instance-

"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'-----1 Samuel 15:3

 

Where are the Amalekites today and why aren't Jews and Christians killing them?

 

Who says the Bible is "from God"?

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They're dead. On orders from the God of the Bible (supposedly), they were exterminated in a genocide.

 

Certainly you can argue that but I was talking about the framework of the text. When you read the Bible you see direct commands from God, sometimes in His own voice whereas the Quran is basically a story being told by Muhammad about what he saw.

Its the difference in their writing and structure that I was referring to.

 

So is much of the Bible. The entire New Testament is merely some guys supposedly transcribing what another guy said when he was passing out fish and bread or talking to a Roman proconsel.

 

Oh, so your example of "the potential for violence" is outdated, since that quote was directed at a particular tribe who no longer exists.

And that's the difference. The Quran has open ended commands to commit violence against non-Muslims that are still relevant today. The Bible doesn't.

MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

Sorry...wrong. God orders people to kill others if they worship other gods.

"6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known,

7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),

8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.

9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.

10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."---Deuteronomy 13:6-10

No recinding of that order was ever given.

 

Brilliant.

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Yes. Qur'an, on the hand, is a direct word of Allah. How can one have a argument with Allah? What he says, goes.

 

Yes but the difference is that in the Quran, God never actually speaks to Muhammad and never gives him any revelations. According to the Quran and the Bible however, God/Allah did give revelations directly to Moses and Jesus.

So basically what happened is that Muhammad supposedly witnessed all these events and wrote about them, they are his interpretation of something that was happening around him whereas the players in the Bible are directly involved.

 

No, there aren't. And thank you for proving the last one.

 

Sorry, wrong. The command was directed to a specific tribe, as indicated by the "brought you out of Egypt" line.

And the law of Moses was rescinded by the covenant that God established through Jesus. You'll notice that Jesus didn't kill anyone, or command his followers to kill anyone.

 

Go for it. Not like the current administration will stand in your way.

Gotta wonder though.... if all the Christians are dead... what will people like you, the OP, and many others have to constantly complain about ?

See, I think it's good that Christians are allowed to live.
Hear me out....
Letting the OP focus all that endless anger while sitting indoors mashing the keys at his computer... Instead of directing it toward innocent people in his real life.

I mean... we all gotta agree on that, yeah?

 

But, come on.... let's put things in perspective. You can't refuse someone a cake!

 

Wow, what a dramatic assumption you just made....it's actually shocking you don't believe there are ANY Christians or Jews out there who would kill for religion.

Also, you're wrong about the second part, I absolutely hate Islam (albeit I hate Christianity and Judaism as well) and I absolutely hate terrorists and extremists even more. But sorry to disappoint!

 

Exactly right. Progressives would side with Islamic terrorists over American Christian fundamentalists. Progressives and Islamic terrorists have the same enemies, which make them allies.

 

OK....so the Crusades were a big mistake? What about witch killing.....the last ones in this country in the late 1600's. How about the Inquisitions. What about Catholic Germany wiping out 6,000 Jews? What about the Ku Klux Klan.....only requirements to join:

1) Must Be Christian
2) Must Be White

All Religion is ancient bull (*)(*)(*)(*)