Air supremacy in doubt; General unsure US can win a war;

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reckless Cuts to US Military Spending Leaving America Vulnerable

    Thanks Obama, diversity, social engineering and if it's not ordering Marines to carry umbrellas or removing the bolts from their rifles, it's ordering Marines to take sludge hammers to their rifles. That's Obama's PC military.

    Air supremacy in doubt; General unsure US can win a war; 'In a year we will only be able to deploy two carrier groups worldwide, down from three currently, and five just a year ago'


    Excerpts from an opinion:

    >" The horrific events in Paris have underscored the obvious: there are dangerous people in the world committed to killing us. And we must be able to prevent – or at the very least defend against aggressors. Less obvious is the dangerous truth that budget cuts are seriously eroding our capabilities.

    For the first time since the end of World War II, the United States won’t have an aircraft carrier in East Asian waters. Defense funding shortfalls have dictated a four-month gap between the departure of the USS George Washington from its homeport of Yokosuka, Japan and the scheduled arrival of the USS Ronald Reagan. The George Washington will then be out of service for three to four years while it undergoes nuclear refueling and refurbishment..."<

    >" The sea services aren’t the only branches being strained by spending levels. The Air Force’s top officers have noted that our air fleet is the smallest and oldest in the service’s history. General Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, even went so far as to say that he is not sure the United States can maintain air supremacy in a major conflict..."<

    >" U.S. spends more on defense than the next 13 nations combined.

    Let’s assume that is true, even though it is highly misleading to compare military budgets with the second and third largest spenders – China and Russia – who do not pay their conscripts anything close to what we pay our all-volunteer force. (Personnel costs account for 24% of America’s defense budget.)..."<



    Read more at http://observer.com/2015/01/reckles...ing-leaving-america-vulnerable/#ixzz3SJTSWU7t
     
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    He is the most successful mole in history.

    Islam will revere him in perpetuity.

    And as a testament to how successfully he has fulfilled his Jihadist obligation, there are brain dead American Liberals who will also revere him and worship him and his memory.

    I wish him testicular cancer.

    Soon.
     
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    It's a funny cycle, the left preach peace to feel good but weaken themselves at the same time, which invites conflict (see 9/11 post Clinton governance), then the right commit to fight and resolve the conflict, which angers the left because they have to keep preaching peace.... oblivious to their involvement in the chain of causality, as the cause.

    The left are too stupid to realize that the fight to resolve conflict must be maintained to achieve peace.

    I understand it though, the left are so weak of character and inexperienced in real life that they do not trust enough to understand a nation and its people can still be 'good' in building peace, even when sometimes it requires war. It's like poverty of the mind, they breed fast and inhabit the victim mentality as a profession. It's a rot of increasing population densities which will cripple us all through one of the weakness's of a 'good' government - democracy.
    ~ forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.
     
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    You still spend more than most of the rest of the world. Seems to me if you can't get by on that then you have an efficiency problem, not a spending one.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Freedom ain't cheap.

    And unlike China and Russia who can build weapons platforms at a fraction of the cost compared to America, those American civilians who build the ships, planes and M-16's are highly paid union workers.

    Unfortunately the mistakes that were made during the 70's that led to a hollow military force that Ronald Reagan had to spend hundreds of billions to repair are being repeated again during the Obama administration. It's cheaper in the long run to maintain a strong military than to find yourself when a new administration having to repair the damage that was caused.
     
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    More Ramblings from the Farside.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That all depends how far you are out in the left field.
     
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    As usual you are on the wrong side of the field, go right, faaaaaar right.

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    Sounds like more Progressive spend and tax economics to me.

    Let each man buy whatever weapons he likes. No NFA, none of Reagan's full-auto restrictions.
     
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    We also make more then the rest of the world combined. It's why we can spend so much on our military.
     
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    Sounds like you've been listening a little too much to Liz Warren and the rest of the progressives. Replace 'military' with literally any other area of the budget and you have textbook progressive logic.
     
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    The rest of the world together can't field a single carrier group and the US military is panicking. Are American soldiers, sailors, etc that crap?
     
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    Overspending on defense is leaving us vulnerable.

    Generals are never going to suggest we have enough.
     
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    Obama and leftists in general in Us are concerned about the rest of the world says about them, and do not want be seen as a sort of tyrants, the rightists simply do not mind about it
     
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    Perhaps if you want to win a war you should pick a target that doesn't proliferate in correlation to the amount of force you use to suppress them. You could annihilate pretty much any nation state on the planet within a few days if you really put your back into it. The problem, it seems to me, is that your targets are ideas. And it's rather difficult to destroy ideas.
     
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    Since the day I turned 17 I have always followed our nation's laws, we are a nation of laws correct ? President Obama probably sees it differently.

    But I already own a military battle rifle and I'm a member of the unorganized militia, aren't you ?
    I can say I have served honorably as a member of the militia.

    As for Reagan's full auto restrictions, back during the 1970's I did unlawfully owned one of those full auto weapons that didn't fall under those restrictions. But do you know how much a M-1928 A1 Thompson submachine gun weighs ? More than a M-14.
     
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    I cannot, because I would most likely spend the rest of my life in prison. Would if I could, though.

    #Australia



    That's cool - good on you. Shame you can't without giving the government money. Shame they can't license new full-auto rifles. Shame a proper M16 costs 20k+. Shame your defense is monopolized in the state.
     
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    I remember the day that the Australian people were disarmed, the world became a more dangerous place.

    First they go after your guns. Then they go after the nations immigration laws and the ethnic makeup of the country is disrupted as boat loads of uneducated and unskilled third world people start landing on your shores.
     
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    We have 10 active Nimitz-class supercarriers at the present time. A couple more are under construction. Using the general's logic, we could put all ten active carriers into a single carrier group. Then we' have only ONE carrier group. Or we could split them up into two aircraft carriers per group. Then we'd have FIVE carrier groups. In other words, the general is doing what all good generals do - whine for cash.
     
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    Did you read the entire OP ?

    >" Air supremacy in doubt; General unsure US can win a war; 'In a year we will only be able to deploy two carrier groups worldwide, down from three currently, and five just a year ago "<

    Now it all depends who's the President. Right now the current CnC has great difficulties just putting two carrier at sea and that doesn't mean the carriers are on station in their assigned "Area of Responsibility" (AOR)

    Now you may remember the CnC before the incompetent CnC we have today, there were two Carrier Battle Groups (CBG) in the 5th Fleet AOR conducting combat missions in both Iraq and Afghanistan when the chi-coms (communist Chinese) started rattling their sabers. It's when the chi-coms started bragging that they could sink two U.S. Navy carriers.

    Well G.W. Bush being a better than average CnC ordered six carriers and their escorts to sea. Eight CBG at sea at one time and four of the CBG's were in the 7th Fleet AOR near Taiwan.

    The chi-coms eyes bugged out, :eyepopping: eight carriers at sea !!! four of them near to the Peoples Republic of China. The chi-coms stopped rattling their sabers and went back to the drawing board, how do you sink four American carriers ?

    Nobody want's to say it, but under Obama our military has become a hollow force.

    The U.S. Navy is about to cut in half the number of aircraft carriers it keeps ready for combat. Starting in 2015, just two American flattops will be on station at any given time,


    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/th...wn-to-just-two-deployed-carriers-fb63ed05551a
     
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    We have 10 active super carriers, meaning none have been decommissioned (decommissioning a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is not all that simple). Just because not all are out joy-riding the high seas doesn't mean you are unprotected.
     
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    Yes, and idiots are actually cheering this on, as if it's going to lead to 'peace' instead of every tin pot on the planet falling all over themselves to take advantage of this lack of quick response by any power to start a couple of dozen slaughters around the globe, displace tens of millions more people, and eventually another major war in 10 years or so.

    Having said that, most of the blaime rests on Congress and the mindless rampant corruption those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bags have allowed for decades in defense contracts and programs, making it easy for brain dead isolationist ideologues on both the left and right to find ever larger audiences to peddle mindless foreign policy disasters to a fed up public. If people think what they see on the evening news is bad now, they haven't seen nothing yet, not even a little bit of what is going on out there outside the Burbs.
     

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