Why Russians Love Putin

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  1. Fallen

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    During Putin's first premiership and presidency (1999–2008) real incomes in Russia rose by a factor of 2.5, while real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved. Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction also rose significantly.Putin's first presidency was marked by high economic growth: the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, seeing GDP increase by 72% in PPP (as for nominal GDP, 600%).This growth was a combined result of the 2000s commodities boom, high oil prices, as well as prudent economic and fiscal policies.

    As Russia's president, Putin and the Federal Assembly passed into law a flat income tax of 13%, a reduced profits tax, and new land and legal codes.As Prime Minister, Putin oversaw large-scale military and police reform. His energy policy has affirmed Russia's position as an energy superpower.Putin supported high-tech industries such as the nuclear and defence industries. A rise in foreign investment contributed to a boom in such sectors as the automotive industry. However, capital investment recently dropped 2.5% because of the crisis in Ukraine according to forecasts by economists from the IMF.




    Under the Putin administration from 2001 to 2007, the economy made real gains of an average 7% per year,making it the 7th largest economy in the world in purchasing power. Russia's nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) increased 6 fold, climbing from 22nd to 10th largest in the world. In 2007, Russia's GDP exceeded that of Russian SFSR in 1990, meaning it overcame the devastating consequences of the 1998 financial crisis and preceding recession in the 1990s.

    During Putin's eight years in office, industry grew substantially, as did production, construction, real incomes, credit, and the middle class.Putin has also been praised for eliminating widespread barter and thus boosting the economy.

    In 2001, Putin obtained approval for a flat tax rate of 13%; the corporate rate of tax was also reduced from 35 percent to 24 percent;Small businesses also get better treatment. The old system, with high tax rates, has been replaced by a new system where companies can choose either a 6-percent tax on gross revenue or a 15-percent tax on profits.The overall tax burden is lower in Russia than in most European countries.

    A central concept in Putin's economic thinking was the creation of so-called National champions, vertically integrated companies in strategic sectors that are expected not only to seek profit, but also to "advance the interests of the nation". Examples of such companies include Gazprom, Rosneft and United Aircraft Corporation.

    A fund for oil revenue allowed Russia to repay all of the Soviet Union's debts by 2005.Payments from the fuel and energy sector accounted for nearly half of the federal budget's revenues. The large majority of Russia's exports are made up of raw materials and fertilizers,although exports as a whole accounted for only 8.7% of the GDP in 2007, compared to 20% in 2000.

    After 18 years of trying, Russia joined the World Trade Organization on 22 August 2012. However, there were few immediate economic benefits evident from that WTO membership.

    Under Putin as President and Premier, most of the world's largest automotive companies opened plants in Russia, which Putin encouraged via tax incentives, as well as protectionist measures which discouraged imports.[168]

    In 2005, Putin initiated an industry consolidation programme to bring the main aircraft producing companies under a single umbrella organization, the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). The aim was to optimize production lines and minimise losses.[169] The UAC is one of the so-called national champions and comparable to EADS in Europe.[170]

    In a similar fashion, Putin created the United Shipbuilding Corporation in 2007, which led to the recovery of shipbuilding in Russia. Since 2006, much efforts were put into consolidation and development of the Rosatom Nuclear Energy State Corporation, which led to the renewed construction of nuclear power plants in Russia.In 2007, the Russian Nanotechnology Corporation was established, aimed to boost the science and technology and high-tech industry in Russia.

    In the decade following 2000, energy in Russia helped transform the country, especially oil and gas energy. This transformation promoted Russia's well-being and international influence, and the country was frequently described in the media as an energy superpower.Under Putin as President and Premier, most of the world's largest automotive companies opened plants in Russia, which Putin encouraged via tax incentives, as well as protectionist measures which discouraged imports.

    In 2005, Putin initiated an industry consolidation programme to bring the main aircraft producing companies under a single umbrella organization, the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). The aim was to optimize production lines and minimise losses.The UAC is one of the so-called national champions and comparable to EADS in Europe.

    In a similar fashion, Putin created the United Shipbuilding Corporation in 2007, which led to the recovery of shipbuilding in Russia. Since 2006, much efforts were put into consolidation and development of the Rosatom Nuclear Energy State Corporation, which led to the renewed construction of nuclear power plants in Russia.In 2007, the Russian Nanotechnology Corporation was established, aimed to boost the science and technology and high-tech industry in Russia.

    In the decade following 2000, energy in Russia helped transform the country, especially oil and gas energy. This transformation promoted Russia's well-being and international influence, and the country was frequently described in the media as an energy superpower.Putin oversaw growing taxation of oil and gas exports which helped finance the budget, while the oil industry of Russia, production, and exports all significantly grew.

    Putin sought to increase Russia's share of the European energy market by building submerged gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine and other countries which were often seen as non-reliable transit partners by Russia, especially following Russia-Ukraine gas disputes of the late 2000s (decade). Russia also undermined the rival pipeline project Nabucco by buying the Turkmen gas and redirecting it into Russian pipelines.

    On the other hand Russia diversified its export markets by building the Trans-Siberian oil pipeline to the markets of China, Japan and Korea, as well as the Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok gas pipeline in the Russian Far East. Russia has also recently built several major oil and gas refineries, plants and ports. Additionally, Putin has presided over construction of major hydropower plants, such as the Bureya Dam and the Boguchany Dam, as well as the restoration of the nuclear industry of Russia, with some 1 trillion rubles ($42.7 billion) allocated from the federal budget to nuclear power and industry development before 2015.A large number of nuclear power stations and units are currently being constructed by the state corporation Rosatom in Russia and abroad. Putin oversaw growing taxation of oil and gas exports which helped finance the budget, while the oil industry of Russia, production, and exports all significantly grew.


    On the other hand Russia diversified its export markets by building the Trans-Siberian oil pipeline to the markets of China, Japan and Korea, as well as the Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok gas pipeline in the Russian Far East. Russia has also recently built several major oil and gas refineries, plants and ports. Additionally, Putin has presided over construction of major hydropower plants, such as the Bureya Dam and the Boguchany Dam, as well as the restoration of the nuclear industry of Russia, with some 1 trillion rubles ($42.7 billion) allocated from the federal budget to nuclear power and industry development before 2015.A large number of nuclear power stations and units are currently being constructed by the state corporation Rosatom in Russia and abroad.


    It goes on and on

    I think he is an outstanding leader.if other leaders accomplished half of what he has, the world would be a better place
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    have you noticed the collapse of the Ruble lately?

    the downgrading of Russia's bond status?

    thanks to Putin.

    oh, and Russia still has a 30% poverty rate.
     
  3. AlNewman

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    Isn't it amazing that Russia seems to be more about freedom than the supposed free world, the West? And while he has accomplished wonders for that country and has been a key figure in trying to curtail the tyranny being imposed by the West, one can still not ignore the fact that he is but another psychopath that believes he is a god with the right to dictate the lives of others.

    The big question at this point however is how long can he maintain that cool posture before events overcome him?
     
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    And yet without Putin the numbers would be far worse.

    You have to realised that when they say economic collapse they really mean collapse.

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    Until something like staging of American troops in Ukraine hapens.
     
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    But will that really happen? Is there any credibility to the story about some satellite photos about 9/11 and all this new peace talks such as the UN resolution along Moscow's lines?
     
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    If the situation re-escalates. Maybe another riot and another city choosing to join russia. We already armed Ukraine so if such a situation were to happen and didn't de-escalate quick enough then you guess is as good as any
     
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    Other cities did chose to join their native Russia but where declined. Crimea was a very critical area to Russia as a warm water port so Russia accepted their wish to rejoin the Russian federation.

    But then from the manner in which you presented your statement, am I to understand that you agree with the Victoria Nuland crowd?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Who's that?
     
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    Why Victoria of course. Not one of her more appealing poses if there ever was such a thing.
     
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    Putin is the only President who has "eggs"
     
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    Putin is the only President who has "eggs"
     
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    Putin is the only President who has "eggs"
     
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    Eggs. .....of awsomness!!
     
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    Or, it is because they better love him or..................
     
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    Russians love Putin because of the same reason Germany loved Hitler
     
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    You are an avid rusofob, that says it all. You just hate Russia and Russians, but we must remember that the Russians have Slavic roots, like the peoples of Eastern Europe. Hatred of the Russians . it is your right. Once you see nothing good in Russian, then maybe you too much (*)(*)(*)(*).

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    Yes the most. real hairy political eggs
     
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    It goes both way.

    If you don't like how someone is running the country, you could do 3 things in russia.

    Stay quiet. Prefered
    Leave. No care
    Do something about it. Get arrested and spend the next 10 years of your life locked up awaiting trail.

    Just ask the banker who didn't listen to Putin? Or that lesbian pop singer...


    well with Putin's results, you can get away with things like that.

    He must be doing something right
     
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    That is not necessarily a bad thing. No body said that Hitler was a bad leader of man.This was Hitler charm.

    But just because someone is a great leader who produced phenominal results doesn't make that leader comparable to hitler.
     
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    Actually, Russia has Viking roots, like France. Not liking a virtual dictator that jails and murders his political opponents has nothing to do with hating Russians.
     
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    Then Obama and Putin arn't so different in that aspect. Instead of political enemies, they are called terrorist though

    The only thing is is that economically, Putin gets better results
     
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    Sanctions in motion or a failure of “Rosoboronexport”
    to remain competitive

    Such a telling statement has been recently made by the representative of Russian weaponry monopolist “Rosoboronexport”. Particularly, he outlined that Russian arms trade juggernaut pales in comparison with its foreign counterparts and even named the exact areas of Russian-made military products suffering the biggest amount of export problems.
    Pursuant to the dictum hatched by “ITAR-TASS”, Mr. Aleksandr Brindikov, the chairman of the counselors’ board under the director-general of “Rosoboronexport”, in his speech delivered on March, 27 2015 to the members of the Counsel of Federation highlighted that Russian military hardware manufacturers are not able to stand a chance against the Western companies and were bound to leave more than 30 sectors in this field. To compliment, the statement of Mr. Brindikov is given below:
    “Actually, we have left half of the sectors linked to the defense industry. Furthermore, the problem does not lie with the lack of marketing skills, but simply comes down to deterioration of our competitive capability in arms business”.
    Basically, Mr. Brindikov explains the aforementioned state-of-affairs by internal problems, namely lack of expertise in electronics and software, which by and large happens to be a cornerstone of modern-day hi-tech military produce.
    Moreover, within the armor materiel niche of the world arms market Russia has been cut out by Ukraine, the USA, Germany and China, which spread far and wide with their tanks and APCs across the never-ending litany of new export sectors. All along, words of Mr. Brindikov speak for themselves:
    “We had no chance but to step aside as long as we fail to remain competitive. We faced problems with production and delivery of military hardware.”
    As well as that, the latest tank battle simulation encompassing the world’s most-renowned contemporary tanks showed that Russian armor materiel is a far way to go before being christened as an undisputed leader. Besides, the 1st place in the said battle was taken by the Ukrainian-manufactured T-84 “OPLOT”, which had outstripped both “Leopard 2A7” and American M1A2 SEP V2 “Abrams” running the 2nd and 3rd respectively, not to mention Russia’s tank T-90 MS “TAGIL”, which occupied the 6th place bowing to Japan’s Type-10 (the 4th place) and Israeli “Merkava Mk.4” (the 5th place).

    According to Mr. Brindikov, the arms dealers of Russia are not safe from problems on the market of artillery systems and munitions as well. In particular, he argues the following:
    “Our position in the artillery market leaves much to be desired, albeit previously in this realm it was no stress for us to go hand-in-hand with Sweden”.
    For example, as per the effective range Russian-made 152mm division-level self-propelled howitzer 2S19 “Msta-S” (manufactured since 1989) overwhelmingly loses to its foreign analogues produced in the USA, the UK, Germany and China. This is especially obvious in the case of firing by rocket projectiles as long as Russian system goes well to the limit of 29 km, while Chinese PLZ-05 hits the targets on the distance of 53 km together with American XM2001, British AS-90 “Braveheart” and German PzH 2000, which are able to remain effective within more than 40 km.
    In addition to that, Russian statesman was rather outspoken regarding a serious back-step in the aviation industry gravely affecting business both with internal and external clientele.
    Obviously, being in a state of continuous crises, Russian aircraft engine design industry has hardly managed to come up with any new offerings in recent years. With a bunch of years down the line, Russia saw no new aircraft manufacturing plant or design bureau or a project reaching the stage of lot production. Furthermore, the future of Russian aircraft industry will not last long without the Ukrainian assistance, which has already been fully perceived via the hands-on experience by its Indian as well as other foreign customers.
    In effect, another bold project between Russia and India that crumbled to dust is the development of medium transport aircraft for Indian Air Force able to deliver infantry, artillery guns and light armored vehicles including light tanks, which was set to replace An-32. Nevertheless, experts assert that even under the most favorable conditions the first prototype of the aforesaid aircraft may come to pass only in 2025.
    Interestingly, the aforementioned statement of a celebrated Russian official is the first open confession that the situation with Russian arms exports is far from being all smiles, although before Russian weaponry dealers seemed to exude optimism and confidence towards both uninitiated general public and well-versed potential customers.
    “That was fully understood by experts long before. This derives from logic.” – said Mr. Vadim Kozulin, the head of conventional arms program running by the Center for Political Studies.
    Admittedly, all these years Russia managed to keep its head above water only through the use of the experience gained during the Soviet times. Apart from the rest of the world vigorously canalizing money into brand-new projects, Russian defense industry saw not even a smattering of investment and continued to be propelled by the efforts of enthusiasts and rare financial pitch-ins.

    Seemingly, the question of at least any positive change is still hopelessly pending as long as all the software employed in the Russian military materiel is of the Western origin and arms imports are set to dwindle due to the sanctions imposed on Russia in the light of its annexation of Crimea and further aggression against Ukraine.
    All things considered, provided such a situation trails ahead, Russia will not be able to carry out its obligations or, to a larger extent, finalization of its contracts with foreign partners at all. Sanctions eat deeper into Russian military plants and corporations, therefore their next round will put a decisive end to the entire military industry of Russia in general and its arms exports in particular.
     
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    During Eltsin era it was normal when old man have to wait a half of year to get a small pension. That was before Putin.
     
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    If Russians love Putin so much, why do so many of them have their money and their girlfriends stashed around Miami?

    Just wonderin'.
     
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    Which is just a joke and financial maneuver to outplay the financial trap set by US. First they gave the money at a smaller percentage than russian banks (who were also credited from the west) could afford. Then they implied the sanctions which would stimulate the loss of currency and reserves at a devastating effect to russian economy. Under the circumstances devaluation of russian ruble was just a financial maneuver which succesfully helped Russia to overcome this trap and to save its companies from going bankrupt.
    And yes. That happened not 'because of Putin' but because of enemies of Russia in the White House. They are the root of the evil. Putin managed to outplay them and to remain independent.

    The market is not that free and the bonds market is extremely politically motivated. US bonds, the bonds of the biggest absolute debtor of the world cost a lot not because these bonds are worthy of anything. It's just a policy.

    What is considered a poverty in the modern Russia was a well-to-do level in the 90s. Of course it is lower than in the developed countries. But we know what to compare it with.
     

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