DHS Fails to Cite Law Authorizing Obama to Give Social Security Numbers To Illegals

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  1. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    "When asked to do so at a Thursday press briefing, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson failed to cite any law that authorized President Barack Obama to give Social Security Numbers to illegal aliens."
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/lau...ny-law-authorizing-obama-give-social-security

    Don't they get it yet? He's the King. He can do anything he wants. He can invite illegal aliens to the U.S. to draw welfare and vote. He can ban bullets. He can issue SS numbers to anyone he wants. He can change laws passed by Congress with his pen. He can promote racism. Cover up crimes and incompetence. He can do anything he wants. He's the King.

    And, Congress apparently doesn't have a spine and won't be trying to stop him.
     
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    The court order says they'll be in contempt of court if they do.
     
  3. Dale Cooper

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    Two more years. Two more years. Two more years.

    It can't come quickly enough.
     
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    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Issuing SS numbers or defining a new category of work eligibility is in no way within the realm of prosecutorial discretion.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    they won't be getting SS numbers.
     
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    Question asked of Johnson: “A federal court in Texas v. United States has said giving an illegal alien a Social Security Number is not an act of prosecutorial discretion. What specific law gives the president the authority to give a Social Security Number to a foreign national in the country illegally?”

    Johnson: “Well, that’s a case that’s on appeal right now. We disagree with the district court’s decision but that’s what appellate courts are for. We’ve appealed the decision. We’re asking for a stay of the injunction. We went to the district judge first and the matter will be resolved in a few days. So that’s in litigation. I believe that the injunction will be reversed in a matter of time.”

    This is not an answer to the very valid question.

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    Considering Obamas own words saying he didnt have the authority..... I wonder what changed. Perhaps he finally figured out how spineless the GOP leadership is.
     
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    From the ICE fact sheet on Deferred Action:
    The only way to work lawfully is to be subject to federal tax and pay into the social security system. How is that possible without a social security number?

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    That and I don't think he sees any repercussions, the man is running wide open. It's going to trip him up, or at least his underlings that are under the false impression that immunity extends to them.

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    He is running on full throttle isn't he. Who didn't see this coming when he got reelected???? He spent years degrading congress, went off on the SCOTUS in his state of the union like some pompous ass, spent who know's how many hours on college campuses spewing his "fair share" BS, did the "I'm cool with you" thing with Hugo and apologized for the US, for us, countless times......I mean, yea, the guy is a loon, a totally unhinged ideologue, but America elected him, right? So the real question should be, what's that say about us.
     
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    What does it say about us?

    Honestly, I think it's a complement to the American people. We trust for one. Secondly we really don't care about the machinations in Washington, we run our lives, work and frankly deal with more important things.

    We, in general, trust our elected officials to play by the rules and in the end work for our best interests. What's tripped this up is not that Obama is lying and acting in ways inimical to our freedom, financial stability and safety, it's the fact that those America used to trust to call out political games and spot light ignoble acts, are in league with the politics and don't report on blatant violations of trust and law.

    Americans don't care, UNTIL. The UNTIL moment is here now. We saw part of that disgust in the last two elections, 2016 is going to shock IMO.

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    "DHS Fails to Cite Law Authorizing Obama to Give Social Security Numbers To Illegals"

    I think the right needs to cite law that he is not allowed to, not the other way around
     
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    Wrong-o, pal. Don't you know even the most basic thing about American politics? Ours is a government of affirmative powers, which means they don't get to do anything except what we give them permission to do. Anything that ain't on the list, is out of bounds. In the language of political science it's called "constitutional scope".

    US Immigration Policy is set down in the US Code as well as hundreds (probably thousands) of statutes. The President is not authorized to violate the law whenever it pleases him. The President is required by his oath to uphold the law, which this President is clearly failing to do - and not only failing but actually thumbing his nose at the law.
     
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    not hardly, if it's not against the rules, they can do it, now that doesn't mean once done rules can't be made to later prevent it
     
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    That is the difference between conservatives and liberals.

    A conservative will ask, "does the Constitution allow me to do this",

    A liberal will ask, "does the Constitution prevent me from doing this".
     
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    Only lawfully admitted non-citizens can apply for a social security number. That mean they have already gone through the lawful admissions process. All Obama can do is halt deportations.

    http://www.uscis.gov/greencard

    For some reason "Obama says it's OK" isn't on the list.
     
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    Yep. It's not only against the law, it's a flagrant abuse of power.

    The Liar-in-Chief even sued the State of Arizona for trying to enforce the federal immigration law (when the feds themselves wouldn't do it).

    DHS and the immigration order should be defunded entirely (and permanently).
     
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    It says half the country wants their free ride to continue.

    The more free (*)(*)(*)(*) the democrats hand out, the more votes they'll get. The policies doesn't matter.

    Free (*)(*)(*)(*) matters. That's all.
     
  19. In The Dark

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    That won't be a bar. The court, the law hold no sway with this POS.

    - - - Updated - - -

    ...and Obama adds, "So what?"
     
  20. PatrickT

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    So, as a good liberal, you're saying they'll be allowed to work and not pay FICA taxes? What a deal? Can my kids get the same deal?
     
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    republicans will say something is constitutional that is not and do it anyways, like putting the ten commandments in our court rooms, ect....

    that is part of the problem then

    republicans need to ask more "does the Constitution prevent me from doing this" before doing it


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  22. PatrickT

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    He's been contemptuous of the country for six years. He doesn't care. He's learned that he can do as he please and get away with it. I seem to recall other dictators who did as they pleased and learned they could get away with it.
     
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    He would be re-classifying them from DACA to PRUCOL status. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prucol
     
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    They would be classified as PRUCOL. This would give them the same benefits as an LPR, once they reach the age to receive SS they could apply for it and receive it if they are still in the US, if they are back in their home country they would use the Totalization Agreements between the 2 countries to receive their US SS monies.

    Work Authorization isn't necessarily an SS number. http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/gre...-procedures/employment-authorization-document
     
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    So a Constitutional Scholar realized something after repeatedly saying he couldnt do something??? Sorry it doesnt fly.
     

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