Israel's six day war was naked aggression

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  1. Sly Lampost

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    An important article from Counterpunch that places an altogether different perspective to Israel's history on the six day war. Until now we all believed Israel engaged in a pre-emptive strike hours before Egypt, Syria and Jordan were going to invade them in their own-pre-emptive strike to eradicate Jews from the middle east.

    So much for Israeli history.

    It seems the truth is much more prosaic. None of those previously listed Arab nations had any plans to attack Israel -- and worse, Israel knew that. Israel's attack was a land grab combined with the pre-emptive destruction of the only opposing military force it was concerned about: Egypt's.

    What they say about the victor writing the history rings true - even when the victor is the guilty party.

    The time has arrived for Israel to withdraw it's neck, sack Netanyahu and the corrupt war party and start rebuilding honest relationships in the middle east. That region of the world needs some peace for a change.

     
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    I hope everyone will read this, research it and give it serious consideration...
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel's six day war was naked aggression

    Wow. This "Latest World News" is 48 years fresh...
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Did you see the DATE of the publication?

    Bibi is a liar and Israel is an unreliable ally..
     
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    Did.... Did again... and Don't
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Where were you in 1967 when Israel attacked Egypt? Do you remember the run up to the attack???
     
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    LOL, the latest world news is yet another revision of history by Islamonazis from Counterpunch, no less. Like there has not been hundreds of attempts before, all thoroughly debunked Duh....

    Anyway


    - Nasser shredded every article of the standing armistice agreement with Israel thus restoring de-jure state of war with Israel.
    - Nasser kicked out the un peace keepers
    - Nasser declared a naval blockade of Israel which in all times and places throughout the history was an act of war
    - Arab armies massed hundreds of thousands of troops, tens of thousands of tanks and artillery pieces on Israel's borders
    - The endless flood of threats to annihilate Israel was coming from the highest echelons of all Arab states
    - Egypt's invasion of Israel was canceled hours before it was scheduled to start as the plan became known and they lost the surprise factor


    While Israel carried out a preemptive attack against Egypt which is more than justifiable under the circumstances, the war was started by Egypt when it shredded the armistice agreement and started a blockade - both actions are undeniable acts of war. Moreover Israel never attacked Syria or Jordan or any other Arab country, they attacked Israel. That they had a pact with Egypt is their problem and their responsibility and the price they ended up paying for their irresponsible pact and the attack is their own fault.
     
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    Have you seen the date of the Six Day War?

    You're entitled to your opinion, Margot. Speaking of unreliable allies:

    Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Invade American Mosques
    https://freedomhouse.org/sites/defa... on Hate Ideology Invade American Mosques.pdf

    A most delightful report, and it's not even 48 years old...
     
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    Egypt

    "Our aim is the full restoration of the rights of the Palestinian people. In other words, we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim: perfection of Arab military might. The national aim: the eradication of Israel." – President Nasser of Egypt, November 18, 1965

    "Brothers, it is our duty to prepare for the final battle in Palestine." – Nasser, Palestine Day, 1967

    "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967

    "We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." – Nasser, May 28, 1967

    "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel . . . . to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations." – Nasser, May, 30, 1967 after signing a defense pact with Jordan's King Hussein

    "We are now ready to confront Israel .... The issue now at hand is not the Gulf of Aqaba, the Straits of Tiran, or the withdrawal of UNEF, but the ... aggression which took place in Palestine ... with the collaboration of Britain and the United States." – Nasser, June 2, 1967

    "Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria is in a position to cut Israel in two at Kalkilya, where Israeli territory between the Jordan armistice line and the Mediterranean Sea is only twelve kilometers wide ... ." – El Akhbar newspaper, Cairo, May 31, 1967

    Cairo Radio Statements:
    May 19, 1967: "This is our chance Arabs, to deal Israel a mortal blow of annihilation, to blot out its entire presence in our holy land"

    May 22, 1967: "The Arab people is firmly resolved to wipe Israel off the map
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    May 25, 1967: "The Gulf of Aqaba, by the dictum of history and the protection of our soldiers, is Arab, Arab, Arab."

    May 25, 1967: "Millions of Arabs are ... preparing to blow up all of America's interests, all of America's installations, and your entire existence, America."

    May 27, 1967: "We challenge you, Eshkol, to try all your weapons. Put them to the test; they will spell Israel's death and annihilation."

    May 30, 1967: "With the closing of the Gulf of Akaba, Israel is faced with two alternatives either of which will destroy it; it will either be strangled to death by the Arab military and economic boycott, or it will perish by the fire of the Arab forces encompassing it from the South from the North and from the East."

    May 30, 1967: "The world will know that the Arabs are girded for battle as the fateful hour approaches."

    Jordan
    "All of the Arab armies now surround Israel. The UAR, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait. ... There is no difference between one Arab people and another, no difference between one Arab army and another." – King Hussein of Jordan,after signing the pact with Egypt May 30, 1967

    Iraq
    "The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear – to wipe Israel off the map. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa." – President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967

    Palestinians
    "D-Day is approaching. The Arabs have waited 19 years for this and will not flinch from the war of liberation." – Ahmed Shukairy, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, May 27, 1967

    "This is a fight for the homeland – it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967

    " We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors – if there are any – the boats are ready to deport them." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967, speaking at a Friday sermon in Jerusalem

    Syria
    Syria's forces are "ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united.... I as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation." – Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, May 20, 1967
    "Our two brotherly countries have turned into one mobilized force. The withdrawal of the UN forces ... means 'make way, our forces are on their way to battle.'" – Foreign Minister Makhous on his return from Cairo


    Others

    "The freedom of the homeland will be completed by the destruction of the Zionist entity and the expulsion of the Americans and the British from the region." – Algerian Prime Minister Houari Boumedienne

    "We want war. War is the only way to settle the problem of Israel. The Arabs are ready." – Yemeni Foreign Minister Salam
     
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    Actually no Israeli flagged ship had passed thru the Straits of Tiran for 14 months before Nasser closed it.. Why is that?

    Israel needed a war and had spent 15 years provoking a war.. Read Moshe Dayan.. They wanted more land and water.
     
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    The blockade applied to all ships heading to Israel. Duh, 90% of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran and the blockade applied to the tankers regardless of their flag. It was an act of war, a blatant violation of the UN charter and the armistice agreement.
     
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    Stop trying to blame the war on me. I was in high school, trying to get laid.
     
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    Its painful some days Borat. Its like dealing with a dentist drilling a tooth with no novicaine. I commend your patience though. Talon's too.

    Now back to the truth.....Lord knows you and Talon were in on the naked aggression, as soon as I saw the word "naked" I knew it meant you two.
     
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    For years I have been saying the same thing, Israel went on a land grab PERIOD. It was all BS, they attacked the countries that had the biblical land that the Zionists wanted, as per their several decade old zionist plans.

    Here's some strong evidence that you can use to reason this is true on your own.

    We are led to believe that Israel, a nation of about 2.6 million people at the time defeated three nations in 6 days. Really?
    How long did it take a 20 nation coalition of forces, led by the US, to defeat Iraq in the Gulf war? I'd say "months" before the smoke cleared.The Israeli lies are so fantastic and so impossible to be true.

    Now, after Israel destroyed many Syrian tanks and the Egyptian AF jets sitting on the tarmac, the same nations came back and fought the Yom Kippur war in 1973 with depleated armies, and an Israel that had been wisely beefed up by Johnson/Carter of the US. The Arab forces - now PREPARED to attack, took Israel to the mat in a war that lasted obviously much longer than 6 days and Israel would have lost that war had the US not thrown them a life line. The same nations. Right. All the "six day war" was, was a Pearl Harbor style sucker punch to Israel's neighbors to prevent them from coming to the rescue of the soon-to-be imperiled Palestinians they way they rescued the Pals in the 1947 Israeli slaughter. Murdering, land grabbing thieves is all Israel has ever been to her neighbors.

    "Israel defeats 3 nations in 6 days" - what a load of propaganda and BS.

    Yet the West ran with it in their media like it was all true. I wonder who is powerful enough to control all that? Hmmmmm.....


    One last thing to ponder, my friends....
    In 1967 after the 6 day war, Israel - along with US TROOPS, spent several months fighting the Palestinians. It basically ended the next October.They were, of course, removing the Pals from the land they wanted (mostly West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem).

    The Palestinians had no army. They were the protectorate of Egypt (Gaza) and Jordan (West Bank) in Mandated Palestine. Does anybody believe that Israel had to go into Mandated Palestine and "defend themselves" from the soon-to-attack Palestinian army that did not exist?

    Israel is the biggest snake nation in the world. Never trust them, they have been tooling us for a long long time.
     
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    I sure as hell don't remember it going down like that.

    I remember Egypt being incredibly belligerent in the run up to the war. Nobody wants to remember the arab nations screaming for the destruction of Israel. Nobody wants to remember how nuts the Egyptians were over losing so badly in 56 or the constant sniping back and forth. Nobody wants to remember one of the primary goals of arab nationalism and the UAR. Nah, it was all a plot by Israel to grab more land.

    While the "official" Israeli record is obviously biased with substantive chunks conveniently left out, the exact same can be said for the official arab versions.
    But does anyone think that the official war records of ANY nation aren't dry cleaned before publishing?

    There is no doubt that Israel pre-emptively attacked in 67, but even they didn't anticipate that they would win so decisively and quickly. It turned out to be an even bigger humiliation for Nassar and arab nationalism than 56, right up there with al nakba.

    Israel will always put their interests ahead of everyone else's. For some reason anti-Zionists and jew haters think this is a bad thing instead of a natural one.
     
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    I remember the event almost like it was yesterday and sympathize with you Margot2.

    Although new to this forum I see it has its own vocal minority of AIPAC venting their spleens and loudly shouting in the hope and belief that volume alone will distort actual history.

    So, from the horses mouth to deaf ears and willfully blind eyes, nether-the-less here again are the telling facts:

    (my bolding)

    Bluster and B*llsh*t apart, facts remain facts:

    (my bolding)

    General Yitzak Rabin went on to become the prime minister of Israel and in 1995 was assassinated by members of Shabak, the Israeli security service, who had carefully planned for a religious fall guy to take the rap for the murder.

    But that will have to be a story for another day, I guess, since it seems difficult enough just to hammer home now well established historical facts that remain undisputed in the Israeli political establishment.

    I managed, only just mind you, to write the foregoing without letting the belly laugh that had been rippling through me from reaching my fingertips at the description of Counterpunch as “islamonazis”. Hilarious!
     
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    And as a newcomer it appears you are a member of the "I hate Israel" crowd.
    Yes, the historical record is constantly being updated and expanded and new interpretations are part of that process.

    But claiming that Egypt was NOT preparing for war and that they were NOT increasingly belligerent in the period between 1956 and 1967 is a distortion of history.

    The argument of "aggression by Israel caused the 67 war" to be as disingenuous as it comes.

    In 48 Arabs attacked first and were thwarted by their enemy.
    In 56 Israel attacked first and humiliated their enemies.
    In 67 Israel attacked first and humiliated their enemies.
    In 72 Arabs attacked first and were once again humiliated by their enemy.

    I sense a pattern emerging here that is not very flattering to arab military acumen.
     
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    So you remember the Suez Crisis and what lead up to it????
     
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    Too young for 56, but keenly interested and aware in 67.
     
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    Relying on 'Counterpunch' brings their readers to their level and this is <not much>!

    All of a sudden Counterpunch is Jonsa's Bible now.

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    The Israeli covert operation turned Eisenhower against Egypt and he withdrew his promise to fund the construction of the Aswan Dam.... Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal in order to pay for the Aswan.
     
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    The raid in gaza in 55 was hardly covert but is was a huge political miscalculation on the part of Ben Gurion.

    That did not turn Eisenhower against Egypt.

    Nasser refused to accept arms for defensive purposes only nor would accept American advisors. He turned to the Soviet Union in yet another machination of the cold war raging at the time.

    The US retracted its offer of a paltry few tens of millions for a variety of moves on Nasser's part in trying to play both sides of the cold war off each other. It was a partially successful strategy that got $1.2 Billion from the soviets, but put a fork in his relations with the US.


    Nasser's "nationalization plan" was a giant political miscalculation as well. the history of every nation on earth is littered with such.
     
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    The covert operation was called the Lavon Affair in 1954.

    Nasser's nationalization was to BUY the assets from the British and the French.
     
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    Oh yes the lavon affair. A failed attempt at subversion. But it sure didn't turn Eisenhower away from Egypt, since the plot was exposed.

    He unilaterally seized the canal on the same day he announced the nationalization legislation. Not a very good chess player it seems to get burned so badly.
     
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    Even Moshe Dayan said that Egypt had no intention to start that war. He should know, he was the Minister of Defence.

    Why can't members here grasp these simplest facets of that reality?
     

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