Is ISIS Fraying?

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  1. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    Thanks to Grim's Hall blog for directing me to this article:

    Islamic State appears to be fraying from within @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...276-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html?hpid=z1

    This should be no surprise. They're a bunch of cultist thugs hiding behind masks without the faintest care for those they conquer. Tribal leaders are turning on them and they not only face Iraqi and Iranian forces, but militias from local chieftains.

    Cracks in ISIS are becoming more clear @ http://www.businessinsider.com/weaknesses-of-isis-2015-3
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    "The key challenge facing ISIS right now is more internal than external," Lina Khatib, the director of the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut, told The Washington Post. "We're seeing basically a failure of the central tenet of ISIS ideology, which is to unify people of different origins under the caliphate. This is not working on the ground. It is making them less effective in governing and less effective in military operations."

    The core dispute in the organization is the preferential treatment that foreign fighters receive over their local counterparts.

    Foreigners in the organization earn as much as twice as much pay as local fighters. Foreign fighters also receive nicer living accommodations in ISIS-controlled cities and are less frequently deployed to the frontline than their Syrian or Iraqi counterparts, The Wall Street Journal reports.

    This alleged preferential treatment has bred resentment within ISIS as locals feel they take a larger share of the military risk. The disparity has actually led to violence between the groups within ISIS: Foreign fighters and Syrian militants had a shootout in the town of Abu Kamal on the Iraqi border following an order that deployed the Syrians to the Iraqi front line, The Post reports.

    This treatment has led ISIS to lose support among ordinary Syrians, many of whom have always viewed ISIS, which has its origins in Al Qaeda's Iraqi franchise, as a foreign Iraqi force to begin with.

    ISIS "was never popular, but people supported them because they were scared or they needed money," Ahmed Mhidi, a Syrian businessman who fled to Turkey, told The Post. "Now people want nothing to do with them, and if the Islamic State puts pressure on them, they just flee."

    ( sure hope that's true, but I don't think any journalist or analyst knows very much about the internal workings of ISIS)


    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/weaknesses-of-isis-2015-3#ixzz3USWIQAL7
     
  3. HBendor

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    Surprising denounciation of these malevolent murderers in the name if Islam... Here goes...

    Mufti: The term “jihad” used out of context
    Sun, 22/03/2015 - 13:24 Al-Masry Al-Youm - MENA
    http://www.egyptindependent.com//news/mufti-term-“jihad”-used-out-context

    The Islamic term “jihad” has been taken out of its context to serve purposes
    that are clearly against Islam, Egypt’s top Islamic cleric, Shawqi Allam
    said on Sunday.

    “Jihad is an honorable term with a long history in Islam, but it had been
    stolen out of its genuine context to another field that is totally against
    Islam,” he told Egypt’s state news agency MENA on the sidelines of a
    conference of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation in Kuwait.

    According to Allam, Jihad was meant as a “way to defend nations and religion
    in case either of them is assaulted, and it is not a pretext for massacring
    and displacing people, as it is currenly the case.”

    He added that groups carrying out killings and evictions under the banner of
    jihad “are criminals who, in fact, are committing crimes against humanity.”

    Edited translation from Al-Masry Al-Youm

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    IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
     
  4. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    ISIS may be "fraying" but Iraqi forces under Iranian leadership are becoming equally nasty. Reports of beheadings of Sunnis in the area they;re liberating.
     
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    My reply to your post---------->

    Iranians Chant "Death to America" While Negotiations Continue

    The Supreme Leader of Iran presided over chants of "Death to America" while responding to Pres. Obama's conciliatory message to Iran.

    Click the link for more

    http://www.clarionproject.org/news/iranians-chant-death-america-while-negotiations-continue
     
  6. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    LOL that place is like "The King, the Mice and the Cheese"

    Bring in the cats to get rid of the Mice, bring in dogs to get rid of cats, get lions to get rid of dogs, get elephants to get rid of lions, then bring back mice to scare of the elephants.

    In 5 years Saddam Hussien the II will be in power, perhaps this time it will be a Kurdish Saddam.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I suppose you think an American governor would be better? A Saddam is close to what this area needs, but no cigar. They need a Tito.

    However, it's just the kind of government you conservatives love and seem to want here, authoritarian and ruthless, ruling by fear.

    Your type should realize that Machiavelli's famous fear/love dictum only applied to other rulers, as far as the common people go the wise Florentine was very clear. "to gain the love of the common people is very simple. Do not oppress them" (as best memory serves)
     
  8. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Love is useless, it is only as good as what have you done for me lately. People get more and more demanding when your good to them, so fear is a far more useful tool.
     
  9. edward222

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    Well,
    your government is now dropping some shinny things on them :).
     

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