Only the people can make the real socio-political system change in uk.

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  1. Ilyas khan Baloch

    Ilyas khan Baloch New Member

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    ONLY THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE REAL SOCIO-POLITICAL SYSTEM CHANGE IN UK.

    United Kingdom is passing through a crucial situation with external pressure and internal flux and anguish within the rank and file of the people.

    United Kingdom is in drastic need of change, from contemporary or established socio political system, a system of Sole power in the hands of one person or few of them, wherein, only 1% ruling elites enjoy the fruit of power whereas 99% people are deprived from the power, having no voice in the day to day administration of the nation.

    People are being deprived from given hope for better change, promised by almost all political party, but nothing happened so far. Not a single political party in the country prepared to share the power with the ordinary people of UK and allowed then to join in the decision making process at all level, but they failed do so, because no one amongst the political leadership is willing to lose the centralize sole power from their hands .Civil servants are dominating democracy in the country.

    It is in the National interest to change the socio-political system and decentralize the power in the hands of People at grass root level, on the bases of Counties within the provinces (Part) of UK.. There is no other way, possible for peace, progress and prosperity within the society, neither the accountability nor transparency can be established in the society until the system is changes.

    But unfortunately, all the political forces are struggling to protect the current system at any cost and trying to defuse the frustration of the people by promising for better change, but they are going to change the Faces of the ruling elites, not the change of system to empower the people. The Unity of different part of the country depends on how quick we decentralise the power in the hands of people at grass root level.

    It is up to the people to decide if they still want to trust the political leader ship and follow them blindly for gloomy future or take the reign of leadership in their hands for the real change for the better future of their generation and to achieve, pride, prosperity and dignity of the Nation.


    Ilyas Khan Baloch
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    I very much agree. The U.K. has been tilting towards totalitarianism.

    Here is just one example of what I mean:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/weste...ageous-u-k-law-targets-amateur-chemistry.html

    Most U.K. residents seem very complacent with the system. Maybe that is all they know. Maybe the country just does not have any grassroot traditions of the population demanding their liberties and rights. It's not just a matter of "big government versus small government". If you compare the mentality in the U.K. to that of the Scandinavian countries, for example, there is a huge difference. People in the U.K. just do not believe in freedom. They believe in "human rights", but it's really "rights" without individual liberty and freedom.
     
  3. lunecat

    lunecat Active Member

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    Left - Right - banana!

    Doesn't matter that much who you vote for amongst the main political parties Conservative, nuLabour, etc. Not much changes really, just a bit of tinkering at the edges.

    Better if we did away with them all. And only had a Government that ensured that the post was delivered & we had a national defence force.

    No NHS, no public schools, no social security & extremely low taxes.

    I am really not in favour of any kind of Government that attempts to meddle with society.
     
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    Paksenarrion New Member

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    Since in the UK we are heading for another hung parliament more by accident than design. I think we should formalise the arrangement by abolishing the first past the post system in favour of some form of PR. Maybe we can debate this in another neverendum for the next 4 years.
     
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    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    I also want to point out that the influx of migrants has put a huge strain on the job market and housing supply in Britain. There may be underlying fundamental problems in the economy and governance but it would have been much more tolerable if it had not been for the additional strain.

    People were beginning to leave the U.K. just a few years ago, looking for greener pastures elsewhere. But now things in America and Australia are not really that better than the U.K.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Here's a guy who goes just nuts if a woman wants to make her own health decisions involving her having children, because of the "rights of the unborn" (the unborn are sort of like the undead, an interesting fictional impossibility) but if terrorists want to make bombs that blow up hundreds of people, well, hey, we gotta let little kids have chemistry sets full of poisonous (*)(*)(*)(*) that can kill you with just their FUMES, don't we?

    You conservatives are one SILLY ass group of loons. You want to take away peoples most fundamental freedom that can possibly exist, and then call people"totalitarian" because they don't want to give guns to the insane or let children have toys where they play with the most dangerous substances on the planet.
     
  7. Xanadu

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    A society is always meddled in the same fundamental way. That a small powerful group in top of the system start to communicate towards society (in this time via mass media) and the society start to copy that information (emotion) and starts to use it in discussion online (this forum shows mass communication, thus mass emotion, thus mass organisation)
    Society need deeper knowledge about itself, and try to start reducing their communication with the information the media and politics provide. An entire society can become the same in thinking and acting too (people copy information (emotion) coming from their television)
    A new idea from an individual isn't memorized, that important information from the individual is soon forgotten, because of many events, politics or news that enters people's mind every day, so emotional that the important information is surpressed by the mind.
    Societies have become like addicted to information (politics and news are high emotional), and that is why nothing is changing or progressing, except one thing, the organisation of the society (people become emotionally more part of the new society) Nothing is liberating. Only a liberated mind can change something. But a change in an hierachy is a revolutionary process, so that is what you need to know too (preventing a revolution seems very hard, or even impossible, but perhaps not if enough people can see what is causing a revolution, their mutual communication.
    If you type something that make sence to someone else, that person start to use that little piece of information, and so on. Information society, an information war, and such a war can only stop when you stop taking part (which is revolutionary again, and a revolution is a war too)
    Society communicate towards a revolution (mind war -> street war -> great war)
    So society need deeper knowledge over itself. But when you start to spread new knowledge, a new chain reaction of communication can start, but you want less communication to prevent a revolution. So you need to spread exactly the right knowledge.
     
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    Please God no, PR is a system, where by everyone gets what no one voted for.

    The Political parties, go into a room & agree policies that you did not vote for. Better that the party with the least votes drops out & an election is re-run until a single party with a majority wins IMO.

    Also the PR system often has the "lists" system where by the party officials chooses who is to be chosen from those lists. So radicals never get a look in as they don't tow the party line.


    Would Tony Benn have ever got into the Neil Kinnock parliamentary labour party if the PR system existed? I doubt it! The PR system is always run by the Parliamentary party officials & they only choose those that agree with he party leader/line. PR is very un-democratic.
     
  9. Paksenarrion

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    The shady deals will start on May 8th.

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  10. Ilyas khan Baloch

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    Kindly Read on google "Do we need socio-political system change in UK

    Ilyas khan Baloch
     
  11. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Housing issues in the UK are down to the lack of any government to build more houses, this stems from Thatchers right to buy scheme where she allowed tenants of council houses to buy them at vastly reduced rates (not a bad thing) .. but then she refused to allow the said councils to use that money to invest in building new social housing, instead forcing them to use those profits to pay for other services allowing her government to cut funding, this pushed house prices up to the point where it has become almost impossible for people to buy their first home. The housing bubble crash is what partially led to the problems we have been having and yet again it is what is partially fuelling the climb out of recession .. however, there is no doubt it will crash again. This is the issue that we have never been able to recover from, sure the immigration numbers do not help the situation and as far as I am concerned immigration should be on a "need to have" basis and not the open door policy of the EU .. but there again I want out of the EU all together so I am probably biased.
     
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    Local-ism! can help.
     

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