The Truth About Palestine and Israel

[video=youtube;iKzlh9kN4HI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzlh9kN4HI&list=WL&index=84[/video]

Pretty...damn...thorough.

I don't think the situation has been explained so point-for-point thoroughly as this.

 

Unconvincing Arab Propaganda...
Now this is more like it with appropriate reference and substantiation.


Flag of Palestine
http://www.factualisrael.com/1939-palestinian-flag-look-like-surprised/


Origin of a people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSByVuqbB14

 

upside-down cake, your source failed to metnioned that "Palestine" in the 20's, 30's and so on, was related to the place where the Jewish homeland is needed to be recosntituted there.
Your source was also failed to metnioned from where those so called Palestinians came from. After all, the Arabs according to hisotory (the man in the video said he is a Philosofer and historian) came to the Land of Israel only in the 7th century, from Saudi Arabia. When Jews were living there (in "Palestine"- the Land of Israel).
A new research was published by Dr. Rivka Shpak Lissak, that showed that the Arabs (so called "Palestinians") was came to the land in in four waves, and which in the 9th century only few Arabs were in the Land of Israel, according to Arabic sources.

The second was was in the Middle of the 10th Century – 11th Century, where alot of Beouins came from the desert of Arabia:

The population in 1099- 1260 was only some Arabs:

Here is some numbers of the population in that time:

Between the years 1260 – 1516 all the population of this region was reduced, and Charistians that lived in "Palestine" was forced to convert to Islam:

At the time of the Ottoman rule (1516 – 191, a lot of the areas was remain mostly uncultivated:

Between the 16th to the 17th century, the population that remained was once again reduced because of econimic problems and a lack of personal security.
The reduction continued betweeb the 7th century to the 18th century, and alot of visiters that came to this lands discribed is as "no-men land":

You can see more in the research itself.
Source: http://chersonandmolschky.com/tag/dr-rivka-shpak-lissak/

Your source also failed to metnioned that the partition plan the Jews accepted, the Arabs were the ones that rejected it, and after it they went to war against the Jews (in 1947) and after that in 1948 against Israel creation.

This is just several times he misrepresented about the history of the region. I guess that when you reply to me we will discuess on other subject that preheps your source mentioned.

Also that the so called "Palestinian flag" of today, is no more then just the PLO's flag. It is an organization flag, not a flag of a future state or something like that.

 

the world knows that most of this is Israel's fault, and someday Israel will be put on international sanctions or kicked out of the UN, for their war crimes.

 

It doesn't matter, though. So long as the US is willing to support Israel, Israel can continue to operate illegally. It's probably because the US does the same things, it's just that the US exempted itself from being able to be prosecuted under international law. One of the things I find mind-boggling that people don't understand the implication of. (unless I have misunderstood something there...)

 

there will be a day, hopefully soon, when the USA does not allow Israeli govt to commit the crimes that it does.

when that day comes, big things will happen

 

I hope by then, that Israel will have the "Testicular Fortitude" to find a humane solution for all alien fifth columnists and sever all apportioned DOLE from these ingrate squatters.

(One has to remember that <ONE MILLION> Jews were thrown out of Arab Countries.)
It is practically now, the time for an 'eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'.

 

once we stop supporting Israel blindly, good change will come

 

Genetically Jews and Arabs are similar. This an excerpt from a study
"More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

The results match historical accounts that Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer from the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews."
http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

Another study noted ""part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD". The study also noted "These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistorical times"
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf
The notion that the Palestinians have only been there for centuries is disproven as shown above by genetics.

I agree with you that the video omits important facts like that the Jews accepted the partition plan and that Arabs went to war in 1947(Arabs responded to 1947 partition plan with strike and attacks on civilians starting with Jewish buses) and in 1948 following Israel's independence.

 

Thats because a lot of Jews in the period of the Arab conquest was forcely converted to Islam, like many Christians.
You still have many allegedly Arab villages in the West Bank, that the acutal population there are converted Jews, that dress like Arabs, and speak Arabic, but they are a descendents of Jews, and their families were been converted to Islam in the Arab conquest. Like in the Village Bar Kochba (Bar Kozeyba).
Those kind of "Arabs" are still light candels in Shabbet, doing Kidush etc.

Thats why alot of Jews as Christians were forcely converted to Islam. It still doesnt change and contradict what I provided you. The converts are been mentions in Dr. Lissak's research. But those converts are not been made on the whole Arab population, and the research is talking about the Arabs, and not the converted Muslim Arabs.

If you are saying that it was disporiven, because what you provided, then it means that all the converted Muslim Arabs, are besically Jews and Christians, thus there is no "Palestinians" + you agree with settling Jews, as the converted Muslim Arabs. Becuase those Arabs are practicing Judaism in their houses.

BTW- those converted Jews, dont want to live under Arab rule, AKA Arab state, they want to live under Israeli rule. Thus by that comment of yours, you only rainforcing my claims and the converted Jews that lives in the West Bank today.

This article is disporoven the claims of the so called "Palestinians" that they are nation, and about "Palestinian state". Becuase al the Arabs (not the converted ones) are simply descendents of Arab working imigrents that came to this land before several houndred of years.

 

Jews and Christians weren't forcibly converted at the time. Jews and Christians were protected people of the book and were allowed freedom of worship as long as they paid jizya tax and abided by restrictions as dhimmi. Jews during the middle ages were treated better in Islamic empires than in Europe. There were some exceptions like the Almohad caliphate in Spain but for the most part they weren't forced to convert.

Studies I cited show part or most of Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians or Jews living in the area at the time of Arab conquest which are descended from core population that has lived there since prehistoric times. The Jews have maintained a continuous presence in Palestine for thousands of years but is not what most of Israeli population have descended from. For example at the time of first aliya;1882 which were Jews fleeing pogroms in Eastern Europe to Palestine 8% of the population in Palestine was Jewish. In 1517 1.7% of the population was Jewish. As late as 1946 Jews were still a minority in Palestine at 30% of the population. Which means even Palestinian descended from Arabs that immigrated centuries ago has a longer continuous presence in Palestine than most Israelis.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html

How does the Palestinians never having a state excuse human right abuses that Israel(to be fair Palestinians also have done it too) has done throughout the conflict? Also the Palestinians have never had a state since for most of their history Palestine has been ruled by empires like the Ottomans, Byzantine, Ummayds, Abbasid,etc. Self determination also has never been part of international law(itself not that old in history with Hague regulation of 1907 the first) until after WW2 with the UN charter, UN human rights declaration, and International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights.

 

so the Arabs of Palestine are really Jews???

you have no evidence for this claim

 

Not all the Arabs are really Jews.
There are Arabs that used to be Jews, but of course been converted to Islam, as the research that I provided shows.

Here is a 14:55 minutes video about those converted people:
[video=youtube;wMCmUz7Z-9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCmUz7Z-9E[/video]

 

You are indeed correct, but it doesnt contradict the fact that there were alot of Jews and even Chrtistians that were forcely converted to Islam.
Please watch this 14:55 minutes video:
[video=youtube;wMCmUz7Z-9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCmUz7Z-9E[/video]

At the time of the Ottoman rule (1516 &#8211; 191, a lot of the areas was remain mostly uncultivated:

Between the 16th to the 17th century, the population that remained was once again reduced because of econimic problems and a lack of personal security.

You can see more in the research itself.

Source: http://chersonandmolschky.com/tag/dr...-shpak-lissak/

I only pointed out fact.

 

Youtube videos, aren't evidence. Or research.

 

Only if the Jihadists rule the world, and that IS their goal.

 

None is blind but those that cannot see and discern... There will NEVER be an Arab state in the heart of the Jewish Patrimony... because the Jewish Patrimony is peppered with evidentiary proof and shouts high and loud, this is the Land of the Jewish people.

 

this was only the unofficial flag of the Yishuv, not the official flag of the Palestine Mandate

 

All you have proven is that there has been an indigenous population in the area, and that they are descendants of a single family line. Strangely enough, the Bible, the Torah and the Koran explains that fact. All Arabs are descendants of Abraham through Ishmael, and the Jews are descendants of Abraham through Isaac. So, you haven't added anything to the argument.

What you haven't proven is the existence of a nation of Palestine. The fact is, the name Palestine was given to the region as a joke by the Romans. It has never been a nation on it's own. Therefore, Palestine does not exist.

 

I mentioned the genetics since some right wing Israelis claim that the Palestinians aren't native to Palestine with some going so far to call Arabs living in Palestine squatters. The genetics disprove that with part of to all Palestinians descended from core population that has lived there since prehistoric times.

I know that Romans named the area Palestine(after ancient Israelite enemy the Philistines) after brutally suppressing a Jewish rebellion. No one is saying that Palestine has existed as a state before. This is partly due to Palestine historically being ruled by empires like Ottoman, Byzantium etc with self determination being international law after WW2. How does not being a Palestinian state historically change the fact of human right violations Israel does in the territories? It also still doesn't change the fact the occupation doesn't end Israel will be forced to choose between bi national or apartheid state. The original dream of greater Israel(majority of Jews between Mediterrean and Jordan river) is over with Jews 50%(based on Palestinian Central bureau of statistics and Israel central bureau of statistics) of the population of Palestine. Using these statistics if Israel were to annex West Bank then 43% or up to 52 Knesset seats(25% of Israel's 8.21 million are Israeli Arab and 2.7 million Palestinians live in West Bank which means that 4.7525 million of Israel's citizens would be Arab compared to 6.19715 Jews) would be Arab(that would guarantee United Arab list which includes communist and Islamist parties and haredi parties(haredi parties in the knesset are the only ones that don't have women in their electoral lists, oppose core curriculum in religious schools while getting state funding, for the most part resist integration into Israeli army in order to study Torah ) a majority) .
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/population-israelpalestine-projected

 

In the video you could see live footages from Nebi Samuel, Dir Yassin, Beit Ta'amar and many more, that shows there private houses marks with Star of David, a Jewish symbol + live testemonies from Arabs, that say that they light candeles for their deads (in Islam there is no such costom) and so on.
If you dont like to believe me, when I wrote it, then just watch the video.

 

This is an 'ARAB Credo' that only Arabs subscribe to... no one that can read history would believe them... To illustrate the above here are TWO LINKS that would prove that the Jews are on 'SOLID GROUND'...


The West Bank Clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4f3wXwyZg&feature=youtu.be


Debunking the Palestine Lie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

 

The Palestinians No One Talks About
~by Khaled Abu Toameh
April 29, 2015 at 5:00 am



http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5654/palestinians-oppression

Watch this/read it and understand it... the plight of these people should be put on the hands of their so called leaders

 

To sum up:

"Steal Palestinian land?"
~By H. Horovitz
13 Mar 2014
06:33AM

The claim that Israel builds on stolen "Palestinian land" is malicious, as there isn't a shred of evidence that there ever existed such an entity as "Palestinian land." PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein admitted in a March 31, 1977 interview with a Dutch newspaper Trouw: "The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.

 

The 1979 Elon Moreh case at the Israeli Supreme court proves that Israel confiscates Arab private land in the West Bank to build and expand settlements.

And the IDF's practise of keeping Arabs away from their land so that it becomes deregistered, is well known.

yes, the Israeli govt. has stolen land and continues to do so today.